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  • tsquare
    started a topic About That Global Warming...

    About That Global Warming...

    One of the things all the so called global warming research has in common is a lack of the sun.

    That's true... no one studying AGW factored in the sun in their projections of run-a-way global warming.

    And now, what is the sun doing?

    Nothing... or next to it...

    The sun has gone quiet…solar cycle 24 continues to rank as one of the weakest cycles more than a century
    Which means...

    'If history is a guide, it is safe to say that weak solar activity for a prolonged period of time can have a negative impact on global temperatures in the troposphere which is the bottom-most layer of Earth’s atmosphere - and where we all live.'
    Even the sun is against AGW

    And the outlook?

    Consequences of a weak solar cycle First, the weak solar cycle has resulted in rather benign “space weather” in recent times with generally weaker-than-normal geomagnetic storms. By all Earth-based measures of geomagnetic and geoeffective solar activity, this cycle has been extremely quiet. However, there is some evidence that most large events such as strong solar flares and significant geomagnetic storms tend to occur in the declining phase of the solar cycle. In other words, there is still a chance for significant solar activity in the months and years ahead.

    Second, it is pretty well understood that solar activity has a direct impact on temperatures at very high altitudes in a part of the Earth’s atmosphere called the thermosphere. This is the biggest layer of the Earth’s atmosphere which lies directly above the mesosphere and below the exosphere. Thermospheric temperatures increase with altitude due to absorption of highly energetic solar radiation and are highly dependent on solar activity.

    Finally, if history is a guide, it is safe to say that weak solar activity for a prolonged period of time can have a negative impact on global temperatures in the troposphere which is the bottom-most layer of Earth’s atmosphere – and where we all live. There have been two notable historical periods with decades-long episodes of low solar activity. The first period is known as the “Maunder Minimum”, named after the solar astronomer Edward Maunder, and it lasted from around 1645 to 1715. The second one is referred to as the “Dalton Minimum”, named for the English meteorologist John Dalton, and it lasted from about 1790 to 1830. Both of these historical periods coincided with below-normal global temperatures in an era now referred to by many as the “Little Ice Age”. In addition, research studies in just the past couple of decades have found a complicated relationship between solar activity, cosmic rays, and clouds on Earth. This research suggests that in times of low solar activity where solar winds are typically weak; more cosmic rays reach the Earth’s atmosphere which, in turn, has been found to lead to an increase in certain types of clouds that can act to cool the Earth.

    Outlook The increasingly likely outcome for an historically weak solar cycle continues the recent downward trend in sunspot cycle strength that began over twenty years ago during solar cycle 22. If this trend continues for the next couple of cycles, then there would likely be more talk of another “grand minimum” for the sun. Some solar scientists are already predicting that the next solar cycle, #25, will be even weaker than this current one. However, it is just too early for high confidence in these predictions since some solar scientists believe that the best predictor of future solar cycle strength involves activity at the sun’s poles during a solar minimum and the next solar minimum is still likely several years away.
    And yet the left still wants us to 'fight' AGW...

    But why?

    Because it was never about 'global warming' Never ever... it was all about global control by the far left... that's why they can't back down... when so clearly they were and are wrong.

    http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/07/...han-a-century/

  • Brexx
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    [QUOTE=redrover;n553839]
    Originally posted by radcentr View Post
    On the positive side of human extinction. No more excessive government regulation and best of all no new taxes read my lips. These are compelling reasons every republican to strive for extinction.
    It has been said that we should get rid of the environment because it takes up too much room and is too hard to keep clean. It wasn't said by a republican. It came from a comedian - you know, those guys that you on the left get your news from.

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  • Brexx
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    [QUOTE=radcentr;n553835]
    Originally posted by Brexx View Post
    That's a nice summary of an answer to another question, but it misses an answer to the actual challenge: "Name another cause for mass extinction." Hopefully you did better on the multiple choice section. In this case, one (or more) answer to this mass extinction question does involve human activity.

    Sure, the assignment wasn't all that easy to complete, as I discovered by going thru a list of conservative think tank organizations. Some don't even deal with the hypothesis that mass extinction is in slow process, or they might claim it is a complete falsehood to put the brakes on human progress (sounds familiar). But there exist rational conservatives who acknowledge the possibility that large-scale extinction might be in a starting phase, and that human activity contributes to that extinction. Here it is, took me about 10 minutes to find one example:

    https://fedsoc.org/commentary/public...nathan-h-adler

    There. I could paraphrase that information -from a conservative source- and state that there are examples of human activity that attempt (sometimes succeed?) in making a species extinct. They make the "land unfit for nonhuman habitation", which avoids gov't. interference -one that prioritizes a species over a private land owner's right to exploit the land. No climate change involved, but human behavior is direct and clearly present.

    It is a safe assumption that such lack of energy in finding an answer -even one based on your own beliefs- is also behind your assumption that Big Companies go overseas because Gummint regulations are too expensive. The big companies state their reasons for going overseas, and gummint regs are only one of the reasons they leave. They are looking to fill positions that are less expensive, while completing the task. IOW, labor cost for skilled labor is at the top of their list, not gov't. regs. Here's one link:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...re-jobs-2011-1
    I already stated what mass extinctions are caused by - change that many species cannot adapt to. There are probably other causes like viruses.

    Show me a mass extinction that is happening today and I will give you a cause for it. Could human activity be a contributing factor? Of course. What do you want to do about it? Apparently you would like to see a few billion humans disappear. If we go that route we could see ourselves joining the 99% of species who no longer exist.

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  • redrover
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    [QUOTE=radcentr;n553835]
    Originally posted by Brexx View Post
    That's a nice summary of an answer to another question, but it misses an answer to the actual challenge: "Name another cause for mass extinction." Hopefully you did better on the multiple choice section. In this case, one (or more) answer to this mass extinction question does involve human activity.

    Sure, the assignment wasn't all that easy to complete, as I discovered by going thru a list of conservative think tank organizations. Some don't even deal with the hypothesis that mass extinction is in slow process, or they might claim it is a complete falsehood to put the brakes on human progress (sounds familiar). But there exist rational conservatives who acknowledge the possibility that large-scale extinction might be in a starting phase, and that human activity contributes to that extinction. Here it is, took me about 10 minutes to find one example:

    https://fedsoc.org/commentary/public...nathan-h-adler

    There. I could paraphrase that information -from a conservative source- and state that there are examples of human activity that attempt (sometimes succeed?) in making a species extinct. They make the "land unfit for nonhuman habitation", which avoids gov't. interference -one that prioritizes a species over a private land owner's right to exploit the land. No climate change involved, but human behavior is direct and clearly present.

    It is a safe assumption that such lack of energy in finding an answer -even one based on your own beliefs- is also behind your assumption that Big Companies go overseas because Gummint regulations are too expensive. The big companies state their reasons for going overseas, and gummint regs are only one of the reasons they leave. They are looking to fill positions that are less expensive, while completing the task. IOW, labor cost for skilled labor is at the top of their list, not gov't. regs. Here's one link:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...re-jobs-2011-1
    On the positive side of human extinction. No more excessive government regulation and best of all no new taxes read my lips. These are compelling reasons every republican to strive for extinction.

    Leave a comment:


  • radcentr
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    [QUOTE=Brexx;n553806]
    Originally posted by radcentr View Post
    Extinction is part of the normal process. Mass extinction is not, and please focus on the hypothesis -that the dominant species is causing mass extinction. Also, please note that there is more than one cause for mass extinction, if one would like to pretend that climate change is not happening and/or humans aren't contributing to CC.

    OK class, can we name another cause for mass extinction? [/QUOT

    We can't say that mass extinction is not normal. They have happened before, always due to change that some species can't adapt to. Mass extinctions are the main reason that 99% of all species that have ever existed are now gone.

    Are we humans capable of preventing the changes and extinctions that have been going on for hundreds of millions of years? It seems like that is where we are trying to get to. I find that idea quite unsettling.

    Those who claim that we can, and should control earths natural processes are really aiming to control US - on a much more heavy handed level than we already are. The strategy, obviously, is to blame us for everything bad that happens. There was a terrible hurricane? See? This was your fault. A drought? This is what capitalism did for you. It was a tad too hot this summer? Well, that just means you need to ditch your car and get on a bicycle! Meanwhile, while we hobble our industries with ever more onerous regulations, which encourages them to move to the third world, we are told we need to ship our "wealth" - wherever that is supposed to come from - to the third world so they won't cause the problems that we have supposedly caused and are still causing.

    I don't buy this shit, and I don't think many people do. They may say they do because everybody else is saying it, but when it comes to paying the price most people are not on board. Its all good as long as they think some body else is paying for it. That is never the case. There is no somebody else.
    That's a nice summary of an answer to another question, but it misses an answer to the actual challenge: "Name another cause for mass extinction." Hopefully you did better on the multiple choice section. In this case, one (or more) answer to this mass extinction question does involve human activity.

    Sure, the assignment wasn't all that easy to complete, as I discovered by going thru a list of conservative think tank organizations. Some don't even deal with the hypothesis that mass extinction is in slow process, or they might claim it is a complete falsehood to put the brakes on human progress (sounds familiar). But there exist rational conservatives who acknowledge the possibility that large-scale extinction might be in a starting phase, and that human activity contributes to that extinction. Here it is, took me about 10 minutes to find one example:
    But there are more plausible, and documented, stories of landowners “preplanning” for the arrival of endangered species by rendering land unfit for nonhuman habitation. Owners of Southern pine plantations are thought to be harvesting trees early and before the trees are mature enough to develop cavities that red-cockaded woodpeckers are wont to interpret to be an “open house” invitation.

    As to whether we even know enough about the state of most species, the answer is clearly not because the science is incomplete and access to much of America’s land is restricted. Various levels of government own over one-half of the nation’s land mass ...
    https://fedsoc.org/commentary/public...nathan-h-adler

    There. I could paraphrase that information -from a conservative source- and state that there are examples of human activity that attempt (sometimes succeed?) in making a species extinct. They make the "land unfit for nonhuman habitation", which avoids gov't. interference -one that prioritizes a species over a private land owner's right to exploit the land. No climate change involved, but human behavior is direct and clearly present.

    It is a safe assumption that such lack of energy in finding an answer -even one based on your own beliefs- is also behind your assumption that Big Companies go overseas because Gummint regulations are too expensive. The big companies state their reasons for going overseas, and gummint regs are only one of the reasons they leave. They are looking to fill positions that are less expensive, while completing the task. IOW, labor cost for skilled labor is at the top of their list, not gov't. regs. Here's one link:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...re-jobs-2011-1

    Leave a comment:


  • Brexx
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    [QUOTE=radcentr;n553799]
    Extinction is part of the normal process. Mass extinction is not, and please focus on the hypothesis -that the dominant species is causing mass extinction. Also, please note that there is more than one cause for mass extinction, if one would like to pretend that climate change is not happening and/or humans aren't contributing to CC.

    OK class, can we name another cause for mass extinction? [/QUOT

    We can't say that mass extinction is not normal. They have happened before, always due to change that some species can't adapt to. Mass extinctions are the main reason that 99% of all species that have ever existed are now gone.

    Are we humans capable of preventing the changes and extinctions that have been going on for hundreds of millions of years? It seems like that is where we are trying to get to. I find that idea quite unsettling.

    Those who claim that we can, and should control earths natural processes are really aiming to control US - on a much more heavy handed level than we already are. The strategy, obviously, is to blame us for everything bad that happens. There was a terrible hurricane? See? This was your fault. A drought? This is what capitalism did for you. It was a tad too hot this summer? Well, that just means you need to ditch your car and get on a bicycle! Meanwhile, while we hobble our industries with ever more onerous regulations, which encourages them to move to the third world, we are told we need to ship our "wealth" - wherever that is supposed to come from - to the third world so they won't cause the problems that we have supposedly caused and are still causing.

    I don't buy this shit, and I don't think many people do. They may say they do because everybody else is saying it, but when it comes to paying the price most people are not on board. Its all good as long as they think some body else is paying for it. That is never the case. There is no somebody else.

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  • radcentr
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    Originally posted by Brexx View Post

    Species going extinct is the norm, just like changes in the climate.
    Extinction is part of the normal process. Mass extinction is not, and please focus on the hypothesis -that the dominant species is causing mass extinction. Also, please note that there is more than one cause for mass extinction, if one would like to pretend that climate change is not happening and/or humans aren't contributing to CC.

    OK class, can we name another cause for mass extinction?

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  • Brexx
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post

    I THOUGHT Republicans want everyone to move to Mars.
    Not everyone, just lefties. Let them build their LGBTQxyz utopia on Mars.

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  • redrover
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    Originally posted by Brexx View Post

    I certainly care about future generations, but I'm not going to pretend to care about the planet if humans go extinct. Survival is the name of the game. If we go extinct the game is over.
    I THOUGHT Republicans want everyone to move to Mars.

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  • Brexx
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post

    It was kind of interesting to see how long it took to wipe away the evidence that we had ever been here at all. I find many republicans who share the attitude about climate change. Why should I care what happens to my great grandchildren and great great grandchildren? I'll be long gone.
    I certainly care about future generations, but I'm not going to pretend to care about the planet if humans go extinct. Survival is the name of the game. If we go extinct the game is over.

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  • redrover
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    Originally posted by Brexx View Post

    Some of your friends think that humans ought to become extinct for the sake of the planet. They should lead by example. I couldn't care less about what happens after humans are extinct.
    It was kind of interesting to see how long it took to wipe away the evidence that we had ever been here at all. I find many republicans who share the attitude about climate change. Why should I care what happens to my great grandchildren and great great grandchildren? I'll be long gone.

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  • Brexx
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post

    Yes and you and your friends are determined to speed up the process. A couple of years ago I watched a series about what will happens after humans become extinct.
    Some of your friends think that humans ought to become extinct for the sake of the planet. They should lead by example. I couldn't care less about what happens after humans are extinct.

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  • redrover
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    Originally posted by Brexx View Post

    Species going extinct is the norm, just like changes in the climate.
    Yes and you and your friends are determined to speed up the process. A couple of years ago I watched a series about what will happens after humans become extinct.

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  • Brexx
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post

    The question should be what species are not extinct yet?https://curiosity.com/topics/99-perc...-it-curiosity/
    Species going extinct is the norm, just like changes in the climate.

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  • Brexx
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    Originally posted by redrover View Post

    There are many links discussing the coming mass extinction. Don't worry Trump will find a way to make money from it.https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/...cientists-warn
    The article says animal populations are being reduced by human overpopulation and over consumption. We are always being told to quite meddling in other people's business, so I guess there is nothing we can do about overpopulation in the rest of the world, but here in the USA it would be easy. Just stop all immigration.

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