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The True Meaning of Independence Day

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  • Mrs. M
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    Thread moved since it doesn't qualify for "Breaking News".

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  • Blue Doggy
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    Originally posted by RRAHH View Post
    Hm. This is pretty easy.

    1. CISPA Violates the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th and 10th amendments.
    2. NDAA Violates the 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th amendments.
    3. Patriot Act Violates the 4th, 9th and 10th amendments.
    4. Weapons bans and regulations Violates the 2nd, 9th and 10th amendments.

    Dictator police state. We live in it. We're given two choices in each election and both choices are essentially the same. That's the dictator part. The police state part comprises the laws mentioned above and the fact that we now have military and police drones monitoring our skies for whatever the state deems "necessary". I hope I clarified. I'm only scratching the surface in regards to the various laws though.
    I agree completely. If one is my age, mid 60s, I am sure you can remember when if you were white. you had a greater sense of personal freedom, overall. The thought of a the police in miltary ninja garb busting down your front door in the middle of the night would have been unthinkable here in the South. Being searched on the side of the road would have been like Nazi Germany to the people of my youth. Air travel was easy. I could make a very long list here.

    But for the younger people who did not live in those times, they are like the frog that you put in the water and slowly raise the temp so he gets cooked without realizing it. I sure as hell realize it though.

    At some point in time it seems most gov'ts have to start protecting itself from its own people. We are getting there, IMO. If we got another big terrorist attack we will give even more freedoms away for the illusion of safety. Which brings to mind that famous ben franklin saying about freedom and security.

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  • USCitizen
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    CISPA
    An interesting aspect of hard drive limitation is how much information we leave on all the servers that cache our outgoing requests and incoming responses.
    Privacy is almost an impossibility because if our information was truly erased from servers as it traveled along, the Internet would crawl to a stop.

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  • RRAHH
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    Originally posted by John Drake View Post
    With all due respect, I think that you don't really even know what a "dictator police state" actually IS, since you wouldn't be able to legally even discuss the subject in a real one.

    In what way do you have less freedom of speech now? What are these laws passed in the last 12 years that prove your assertion, and how do they prove it?
    Hm. This is pretty easy.

    1. CISPA Violates the 1st, 4th, 5th, 9th and 10th amendments.
    2. NDAA Violates the 5th, 6th, 9th and 10th amendments.
    3. Patriot Act Violates the 4th, 9th and 10th amendments.
    4. Weapons bans and regulations Violates the 2nd, 9th and 10th amendments.

    Dictator police state. We live in it. We're given two choices in each election and both choices are essentially the same. That's the dictator part. The police state part comprises the laws mentioned above and the fact that we now have military and police drones monitoring our skies for whatever the state deems "necessary". I hope I clarified. I'm only scratching the surface in regards to the various laws though.

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  • John Drake
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    Originally posted by jviehe View Post
    If you guys go independent ill move there (unless thats a deterrent)
    Will you be the Spectre? :rolleyes:

    A Spectre Is Haunting Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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  • John Drake
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    Originally posted by RRAHH View Post
    The problem is, we ARE one. The laws that have been passed in the last 12 years proves as much. And as far as I'm concerned, my freedom of speech is a fraction of what it used to be because of these laws. Only delusional people don't see the writing on the wall for what it really is.
    With all due respect, I think that you don't really even know what a "dictator police state" actually IS, since you wouldn't be able to legally even discuss the subject in a real one.

    In what way do you have less freedom of speech now? What are these laws passed in the last 12 years that prove your assertion, and how do they prove it?
    Last edited by John Drake; 07-05-2012, 11:20 AM.

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  • RRAHH
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    Originally posted by John Drake View Post
    No, I celebrate that we're NOT one, and that people like yourself still have the freedom to say it is.
    The problem is, we ARE one. The laws that have been passed in the last 12 years proves as much. And as far as I'm concerned, my freedom of speech is a fraction of what it used to be because of these laws. Only delusional people don't see the writing on the wall for what it really is.

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  • jviehe
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    Some nice tweets from hollywood liberals

    Chris Rock - Happy white peoples independence day the slaves weren't free but I'm sure they enjoyed fireworks
    Zach Braff - Slaves weren't freed for another 90 years. So maybe just enjoy some of the fireworks

    These are comedians of course, but its standard liberal thought.

    Shameful: Aaron Sorkin, Left celebrate Independence Day by slamming America; Update: Chris Rock joins in: ‘Happy white peoples independence day’; Don Cheadle laughs along; Zach Braff piles on | Twitchy

    Im not complaining. Free speech is free speech. People are cynical assholes, like myself.

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  • jviehe
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    Originally posted by Texan View Post
    It's sad when our Declaration of Independence can be mocked. After reading this thread, maybe I should be celebrating March 2 instead. Texas' Independence Day.
    If you guys go independent ill move there (unless thats a deterrent)

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  • John Drake
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    Originally posted by RRAHH View Post
    So you celebrate that we've become another dictator-police-state?
    No, I celebrate that we're NOT one, and that people like yourself still have the freedom to say it is.

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  • Jason Marcel
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    July the 4th should really be New Year's Day for America.

    That's the spirit of Independence Day.

    The feeling at New Year's when people take stock of themselves and look to improve gets closer to the real meaning of Independence than fireworks and eating shit with cheese in the middle of it.

    An earlier poster asked the question, "Do you celebrate what America is or celebrate what it stands for?". In their words and actions, America's forefathers, I believe, would not see the 4th of July as a day of celebration as much as they would consider it a day of observance and serious contemplation.

    A day for the country to take stock of its union, to hold up where we are and put it up against where we wish to be, and then to take actions necessary to close that gap.

    The most moving part of the Declaration of Independence to me are two things, outside from the overallness of the thing, which finally came out of years of frustration and oppression, is that they use the word Happiness twice, and second, that first paragraph has everything to do with casting aside political divisions and putting common sense before political ideology, something that is lost in present day America.

    "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" and then later, "Security and Happiness". Those are the ingredients of Freedom, but what they lacked the most was Happiness. A sensation measured anywhere from contentment to pure joy.

    That word stands out to me now when I think of the State of the Union and what ails America presently. Too many of its citizens, good, hard-working folks who play by the rules and don't ask for much and don't hope or want to be millionaires or to "keep up with the Joneses", find happiness to be an elusive thing. A face that one wears rather than a sensation one experiences.

    The things that can be listed as obstacles to Happiness are universal things to me; common sense things, such as money in politics and judicial abdication to corporate interests as a result of money in politics.

    America's forefathers wished to guard against all forms of tyranny, including powerful businessmen who wished to basically own everything and use people as their tools.

    What's interesting about the OP is that they left out the "Facts", which is a laundry list of grievances against the King of England, and in the overall, the biggest grievance is that they clearly hated the fact that the King ignored the notion that the 13 colonies believed in laws and good, responsible government to help do things that the individual could not do.

    Based on their words and their actions, the forefathers would have never stood for Citizens United since all of their laws showed that they put the public good ahead of the profits of a few, but then that generation passed and so too did their children and America began to slip, letting powerful corporate interests buy off politicians and judges so that those characters could be used as their tools to advance their own singular agenda of claiming the high ground on selfishness and greed.

    It is long overdue that common sense ought to be considered now more than ever and that the old political bands be dissolved so that the greater good can be achieved once more, but I'm just not sure about this now in a country of folks where on one side of the aisle, they could have never written something this eloquent and magnanimous, but more than that, they resent the people who can write something like that, as seen in all their usual attacks about the evils of college and university educations.

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  • Texan
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    It's sad when our Declaration of Independence can be mocked. After reading this thread, maybe I should be celebrating March 2 instead. Texas' Independence Day.

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  • USCitizen
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    Is America still special?
    The people who would know best, the Fortune 10,000, seem to be acting as though it's not special.
    They say it CAN be special, but it's not.

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  • RRAHH
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    Originally posted by John Drake View Post
    Both, and particularly what it sometimes tries to be
    So you celebrate that we've become another dictator-police-state?

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  • John Drake
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    Originally posted by RRAHH View Post
    Yet, most people do. Let me ask you one question. Do you celebrate what America is or do you celebrate what America stands for?
    Both, and particularly what it sometimes tries to be

    Originally posted by RRAHH View Post
    I know you will disagree but I don't think it can be forgotten; nor should it.
    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    What is idiocy is to celebrate something that has become a joke. We celebrate independence from England as we embrace another tyrant. When this nation is once again governed for the people, I will celebrate the great and noble idea of independence.

    .

    Now, I can celebrate the men who wrote those documents and who gave their lives for independence. And I can apologize to them in spirit for pissing on their great achievement. But I will not celebrate america's independence today because it doesn't exist. But I don't celebrate in the name of the easter bunny either. I recognize a myth or fairy tale when I see one.

    But we are free to celebrate easter bunnies, and that is a right. At least for now.
    We celebrate what we wish we were, and even more the fact that we wish it

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