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Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

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    In an interview with Charlie Rose on CBS’s This Morning, Bloomberg declared, “If government’s purpose isn’t to improve the health and longevity of its citizens, I don’t know what its purpose is.”

    Michael Bloomberg: Government’s Purpose Is to Improve Health - By Ian Tuttle - The Corner - National Review Online
    This is pretty interesting because the purpose of govt isnt something politicians often bring up. Most of them dont seem to have any base philosophy, they just do things. Its a pretty easy thing to know though. The purpose of govt is whatever the people want it to be. More specifically, the purpose of the US govt is to protect life from violence and to ensure justice and liberty.

    Its so obviously not 'to improve longevity'. That is a personal goal that some people pursue. Many people dont want to live forever, and certainly dont want govt telling them how to live longer.

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    Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

    Originally posted by jviehe View Post
    This is pretty interesting because the purpose of govt isnt something politicians often bring up. Most of them dont seem to have any base philosophy, they just do things. Its a pretty easy thing to know though. The purpose of govt is whatever the people want it to be. More specifically, the purpose of the US govt is to protect life from violence and to ensure justice and liberty.

    Its so obviously not 'to improve longevity'. That is a personal goal that some people pursue. Many people dont want to live forever, and certainly dont want govt telling them how to live longer.
    I think every sane man wants to live forever, and we put so much time in medicine to strive for that. Few want to live a low quality of life though, once you get sick, etc. I have watched several old people die. None wanted to go, unless they were suffering.

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      Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

      Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
      I think every sane man wants to live forever, and we put so much time in medicine to strive for that. Few want to live a low quality of life though, once you get sick, etc. I have watched several old people die. None wanted to go, unless they were suffering.
      Which has exactly nothing to do with the topic.

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        Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

        Originally posted by jviehe View Post
        This is pretty interesting because the purpose of govt isnt something politicians often bring up. Most of them dont seem to have any base philosophy, they just do things. Its a pretty easy thing to know though. The purpose of govt is whatever the people want it to be. More specifically, the purpose of the US govt is to protect life from violence and to ensure justice and liberty.

        Its so obviously not 'to improve longevity'. That is a personal goal that some people pursue. Many people dont want to live forever, and certainly dont want govt telling them how to live longer.
        Public Health is a valid purpose of government, and governments have been involved in health issues for centuries, if not millenniums.
        One of the reasons that it is the business of government, is the very nature of health being a group issue, rather than an individual issue, the food supply, communicable diseases and other issues that are not strictly personal take health out of the strictly personal realm and make it a community concern and a valid interest of government.

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          Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

          The only purpose of government is to provide an organized society for its citizens to live in.

          The expansion of government to less legitimate areas is always done in the name of the people's best interest but the people never seem to come out quite as well as those in government, do they?

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            Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

            Originally posted by jviehe View Post
            This is pretty interesting because the purpose of govt isnt something politicians often bring up. Most of them dont seem to have any base philosophy, they just do things. Its a pretty easy thing to know though. The purpose of govt is whatever the people want it to be. More specifically, the purpose of the US govt is to protect life from violence and to ensure justice and liberty.

            Its so obviously not 'to improve longevity'. That is a personal goal that some people pursue. Many people dont want to live forever, and certainly dont want govt telling them how to live longer.
            Absolutely! In fact, I have a long list of people that I don't want to live forever!!!!

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              Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

              Originally posted by goober View Post
              Public Health is a valid purpose of government, and governments have been involved in health issues for centuries, if not millenniums.
              One of the reasons that it is the business of government, is the very nature of health being a group issue, rather than an individual issue, the food supply, communicable diseases and other issues that are not strictly personal take health out of the strictly personal realm and make it a community concern and a valid interest of government.
              So, in your view, is every group issue a valid government concern? Should the government decide which television series are cancelled or not, for example?

              What distinguishes government from all other institutions is the monopoly on the use of force. The power government wields is dangerous for that reason and should be limited to only those functions that can't be performed in any other way. We want a government that protects us from violence, not one that liberally uses violence to dictate our behavior.

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                Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

                Originally posted by dblack View Post
                So, in your view, is every group issue a valid government concern? Should the government decide which television series are cancelled or not, for example?

                What distinguishes government from all other institutions is the monopoly on the use of force. The power government wields is dangerous for that reason and should be limited to only those functions that can't be performed in any other way. We want a government that protects us from violence, not one that liberally uses violence to dictate our behavior.
                Hmm, if it gets Firefly back on the air, then I will allow govt to decide what tv shows are canceled.

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                  Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

                  Originally posted by goober View Post
                  Public Health is a valid purpose of government, and governments have been involved in health issues for centuries, if not millenniums.
                  One of the reasons that it is the business of government, is the very nature of health being a group issue, rather than an individual issue, the food supply, communicable diseases and other issues that are not strictly personal take health out of the strictly personal realm and make it a community concern and a valid interest of government.
                  Public health is a legitimate government concern. If I want to eat rancid sheep droppings, that's my decision about my Private health. If I want to serve them to people in my restaurant or in some other wider setting, that's a Public health issue and the government is more than entitled to stop me. (Unless perhaps those being served are making fully informed decisions to eat them, but that seems unlikely.)

                  Obamacare wasn't the first and apparently won't be the last Private health issue to be wrongly declared a public health issue so we can better serve our politicians.

                  Originally posted by jviehe View Post
                  Hmm, if it gets Firefly back on the air, then I will allow govt to decide what tv shows are canceled.
                  That would be tempting... But given its anti-authority theme, Firefly would then be on that cancellation list asap.

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                    Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

                    Originally posted by jviehe View Post
                    hmm, if it gets firefly back on the air, then i will allow govt to decide what tv shows are canceled.
                    Hmmm... !!!!

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                      Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

                      Originally posted by Evil_inKarlate View Post
                      Public health is a legitimate government concern. If I want to eat rancid sheep droppings, that's my decision about my Private health. If I want to serve them to people in my restaurant or in some other wider setting, that's a Public health issue and the government is more than entitled to stop me. (Unless perhaps those being served are making fully informed decisions to eat them, but that seems unlikely.)

                      Obamacare wasn't the first and apparently won't be the last Private health issue to be wrongly declared a public health issue so we can better serve our politicians.

                      That would be tempting... But given its anti-authority theme, Firefly would then be on that cancellation list asap.
                      Ill pitch it as a progressive future with the progressive Alliance protecting the citizens from criminal smugglers and providing healthcare to all. Bloomberg would agree with that (back on topic).

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                        Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

                        Originally posted by Evil_inKarlate View Post
                        Public health is a legitimate government concern. If I want to eat rancid sheep droppings, that's my decision about my Private health. If I want to serve them to people in my restaurant or in some other wider setting, that's a Public health issue and the government is more than entitled to stop me. (Unless perhaps those being served are making fully informed decisions to eat them, but that seems unlikely.)

                        Obamacare wasn't the first and apparently won't be the last Private health issue to be wrongly declared a public health issue so we can better serve our politicians.

                        That would be tempting... But given its anti-authority theme, Firefly would then be on that cancellation list asap.
                        Communicable diseases, especially those that can be prevented with vaccines are a legitimate public concern that government should address.
                        The epidemic of obesity in this country especially is something government should address, as this is leading to an epidemic of diabetes, which will lead to huge numbers of disabled people, which will overwhelm the welfare system. That's an example of competing aims in a semi-democratic like ours. There are the people who's interests would best be served by a better diet, and there are those who profit from feeding the people shit. Those people wield a huge amount of clout through political donations, and we will have to depend on Darwin to fix the problem.

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                          Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

                          Originally posted by goober View Post
                          Public Health is a valid purpose of government, and governments have been involved in health issues for centuries, if not millenniums.
                          One of the reasons that it is the business of government, is the very nature of health being a group issue, rather than an individual issue, the food supply, communicable diseases and other issues that are not strictly personal take health out of the strictly personal realm and make it a community concern and a valid interest of government.
                          I don't disagree with that.

                          But as with everything else government involves itself in creep and overreach become a huge problem.

                          I think the government has a very real interest in ensuring that the food supply is safe and that the population is innoculated against communicable diseases (or that shuch diseases are otherwise managed).

                          These are clearly public health issues.

                          But the government has no role in preventing, treating, or caring for people who suffer from things like cancer, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, stroke, etc...

                          These are clearly private/individual health issues.

                          The epidemic of obesity in this country especially is something government should address, as this is leading to an epidemic of diabetes, which will lead to huge numbers of disabled people, which will overwhelm the welfare system.
                          Only because we have such a prolific and overblown welfare system, another example of governmental creep and overreach.

                          It isn't the governments job to save people from themselves or to carry them through life because they make retarded decisions.

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                            Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

                            Originally posted by goober View Post
                            Communicable diseases, especially those that can be prevented with vaccines are a legitimate public concern that government should address.
                            Dead on. A subset of society (the infected) can have a catastrophic effect upon a largely defenseless majority. Avoiding this is definitely a legitimate societal goal, and a governmental implementation of that goal is reasonable (i.e. use of force can be justified).

                            Originally posted by goober View Post
                            The epidemic of obesity in this country especially is something government should address, as this is leading to an epidemic of diabetes, which will lead to huge numbers of disabled people, which will overwhelm the welfare system.
                            Dead wrong. A subset of society cannot infect the majority, and the majority are not defenseless against the negative impacts. Reducing obesity can be argued to be a societal goal, but a government implementation of that goal is Not reasonable (i.e. force is Not justified).

                            What's the difference?

                            - If I meet somebody with Spanish flu at the grocery, I can accidentally catch it and die from it if I'm not immunized, and can further infect others if not treated and/or isolated. Given a worst case scenario of resistance to governmental intervention, it Is reasonable to shoot me and/or the person at the store to save numerous other lives.

                            - If I meet somebody with severe obesity at the grocery, I can't catch it, can't die from it (the encounter), and cannot pass that obesity on to others. In fact, it could be argued that such an encounter could be Good for my health because it would prompt me to put that box of twinkies back on the shelf. Given a worst case scenario of resistance to governmental intervention, it is Not reasonable to shoot me or the other shopper to save a few dollars of lost tax revenue and/or increased health costs, especially when the health costs are being paid 'voluntarily' (i.e. the government Chooses to extend/require the health services and can instead elect not to), so the majority are far from defenseless vs the primary negative impact.

                            A private health issue being wrongly declared a public health issue so we can better serve our politicians.

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                              Re: Bloomberg Doesnt Know the Purpose of Govt

                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              I think every sane man wants to live forever, and we put so much time in medicine to strive for that. Few want to live a low quality of life though, once you get sick, etc. I have watched several old people die. None wanted to go, unless they were suffering.
                              I disagree. I think that sane people eventually do want to bring a close to their lives, after they've had long fulfilling lives, especially so if they are stuck in the hospital dependent on a bunch of machines keeping them alive.

                              Putting so much time and money into medicine to strive for immortality is probably what's wrong with the medical cost picture.

                              I think you are miss-reading it. I think that medicine is elevating the quality and abilities of the later parts of life, and that's fine, as it leads to greater independence.

                              Yup. Bloomberg is clueless, and I think perhaps that it was a miss-statement rather than a closely held belief, but I don't know the guy, so I'm just going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

                              He's soda ruling, well, that's another matter. That really is excessively intrusive government. Does he think that this is what government's for? To dictate to us what we can purchase to drink or what we can't purchase to drink? That's really is insane.

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