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  • God is 'evil' and 'stupid'

    This Stephen Fry fellow certainly has a right to his words and opinion does he not ?

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    Atheism isnt just about not believing theres a God, but on the assumption that there is one, what kind of god is he? Its perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him, your life becomes simpler, purer, cleaner, more worth living, in my opinion.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/cele...pid/ar-AA8PeAt


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    Why then can people be fired from their jobs if they express that they think otherwise ?

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    An employee of Ford Motor Company lost his job last year for expressing his Christian beliefs when asked by the company for his feedback.

    Banks' specific comments, as outlined in the complaint, were as follows:

    "For this Ford Motor should be thoroughly ashamed. Endorsing and promoting sodomy is of benefit to no one. This topic is disruptive to the workplace and is an assault on Christians and morality, as well as antithetical to our design and our survival. Immoral sexual conduct should not be a topic for an automotive manufacturer to endorse or promote. And yes this is historic but not in a good way. Never in the history of mankind has a culture survived that promotes sodomy. Heterosexual behavior creates life homosexual behavior leads to death."


    http://www.onenewsnow.com/culture/20...g#.VM2mMU10x2E

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    Ohhhh, I get it. Some beliefs are favored over others AND if one expresses any veiws contrary to Americas new protected class, "homosexuals," ... that is "offensive" enough to be considered justifiable grounds for termination.

    So much for freedom of speech and freedom of religion LOL

    The most entertaining part of this is that our homosexual activist friends will eventually be soundly bitten in the ass by their own actions. So concerned about who they're f%$king, they miss the fact that they're f%$king THEMSELVES !!!

    Perhaps the APA needs to rethink their 1973 declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder ? But the APA itself is most likely full of mental cases, so ... nothing can be done about it I suppose.


    ...other than bemusedly watch the mind-numbing stupidity of radical atheists and the insane LGBT community LOL

  • #2
    I think you will have to search long and hard to find Stephen Fry calling God evil or stupid which the topic title and first line of the post seem to imply.
    I don't see how saying that getting rid of god made him feel any of those things is any more offensive than someone who decides god does exist saying those exact same things in reference to finding faith.
    You seem almost terrified that atheists feel they have the same freedom of speech that theists have and are able to express the feelings they have about atheism.
    Lastly what does Stephens sexuality have to do with anything here as he's doesn't even mention it.

    Just so you know Stephen is one of the most popular actors/presenters in the UK and I've never heard him say anything about hating religion or thinking it's stupid so if you want to set up a topic about people hating theists that's fine but at least pick someone who does actually hate theists and not just a random atheist who's famous.

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    • #3
      If one starts with Nietzsche and his question, 'Did God create Man, or did Man create God?' it seems pretty clear that God has been created by Man, and as such, is a reflection of man.

      Calling God 'evil' and 'stupid' one is really calling man 'evil' and 'stupid', and frankly, I think that's pretty accurate, wouldn't you say?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
        If one starts with Nietzsche and his question, 'Did God create Man, or did Man create God?' it seems pretty clear that God has been created by Man, and as such, is a reflection of man.

        Calling God 'evil' and 'stupid' one is really calling man 'evil' and 'stupid', and frankly, I think that's pretty accurate, wouldn't you say?
        I agree that man created images of God, but that doesn't mean what is behind those images doesn't exist. For if God does exist, IT would be immeasurable and timeless, and given that thought is of time, thought could never actually create an image that wasn't false. This is the reason most images of God that man has created seem mostly absurd. And it seems that as soon as man creates an image of God, it isn't long after that, that the killing begins. Killing for God, which is another absurdity.

        I think atheism is indeed growing in our own culture, perhaps we will catch up with Europe before long? Atheists of course use science to justify their beliefs, but science removes all meaning from the universe and life itself. But for as long as man seeks meaning, a belief in God will remain. Atheism offers so little to that part of man that yearns for meaning.

        Are we already to the stage that expressing a religious belief is just off the table? Political correctness? It seems to be moving in that direction. I don't know how the freedom of religion will endure, given that other parts of our constitution has been pissed upon in a most regular fashion. The only religion that one may be able to talk about in our future is Islam, given that the Left protects their rights while trying to crush the rights of Jews and Christians. Am I wrong?

        The irony here is that of the major religions, only Christianity is the true religion of peace, which the world direly needs today. Blessed are the peacemakers...
        It wasn't always that way of course, but I think the churches have over time moved into that direction, that is, being more agreeable to the teachings of Christ. For Christianity truly is a religion of peace, and not Islam. And unlike Islam, while Christians may believe homosexuality to be a sin, they do not chop their heads off. The homosexual atheists need to take that into account if fairness is of any interest to them.
        Last edited by Blue Doggy; 02-01-2015, 06:26 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
          I think you will have to search long and hard to find Stephen Fry calling God evil or stupid which the topic title and first line of the post seem to imply.
          I don't see how saying that getting rid of god made him feel any of those things is any more offensive than someone who decides god does exist saying those exact same things in reference to finding faith.
          You seem almost terrified that atheists feel they have the same freedom of speech that theists have and are able to express the feelings they have about atheism.
          Lastly what does Stephens sexuality have to do with anything here as he's doesn't even mention it.

          Just so you know Stephen is one of the most popular actors/presenters in the UK and I've never heard him say anything about hating religion or thinking it's stupid so if you want to set up a topic about people hating theists that's fine but at least pick someone who does actually hate theists and not just a random atheist who's famous.
          I think the religious beliefs of atheists should be covered by the freedom of religion clause. For atheism has all of the appearance of religion, in that their beliefs are based upon FAITH. Where the religious have faith that God does exist, the atheists have faith that IT doesn't exist. So atheists are just assuming something, as the Theists assume the opposite. God would necessarily be Timeless and Immeasurable, so forever outside the scope of scientific inquiry.

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          • #6
            Please don't take this the wrong way but I just don't get why you and others call atheism a religion when the whole point of atheism is the complete opposite.
            Atheism is not a faith or religion and I don't go to atheist church as one doesn't exist as that would also not be the point of atheism.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
              I think you will have to search long and hard to find Stephen Fry calling God evil or stupid which the topic title and first line of the post seem to imply.
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              Let's see ... I went to the link (provided) and saw that that was the title of the article.

              I read, a paragraph or so and can clearly see that that is what the man says.

              No, didn't have to "search long and hard."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                Please don't take this the wrong way but I just don't get why you and others call atheism a religion when the whole point of atheism is the complete opposite.
                Atheism is not a faith or religion and I don't go to atheist church as one doesn't exist as that would also not be the point of atheism.
                It is a religion. It takes MORE faith to believe there IS no God. if your system of belief is about God— or about the non-existence of God, —God is still at the center of the argument !

                The fundamental belief's about reality and Gods existence are at the foundation of both.


                "The enemy is not religion, the enemy is faith. Believing something without proof is a fuck you to all the other people on earth." I don't agree with it, but that last part makes me laugh. Good thing we're centering on belief and not faith, or else I'd have to stop and go fuck myself!


                When atheists rail against theists (as many did on my Facebook page), they are using the same fervor the religious use when making their claims against a secular society. By calling atheism a religion, I am not trying to craft terms or apply them out of convenience. I just see theists and atheists behaving in the same manner, approaching from opposite ends of the runway. The entire discourse about religion stems from those who think they know more than the other guy. But what we really know is that we don't know much. And we seem to share the same mechanisim in our brains that drives us to make claims of faith and rationalism as a way of making sense of the great unknown.


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                http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/1...-is-a-religion

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                  Let's see ... I went to the link (provided) and saw that that was the title of the article.

                  I read, a paragraph or so and can clearly see that that is what the man says.

                  No, didn't have to "search long and hard."

                  I read the entire article and nowhere does he say that God is evil or stupid.
                  He also says puts his thoughts on god in the context of children getting cancer and other such horrible situations which would not happen if God was universally benevolent and kind. If you knew anything at all about Stephen Fry you'd know he is one of the least contraversial and thoughtful people in the public eye.
                  He is considered a national treasure here for the work he has done for charity so using him as an example of an angry atheist is massively wide of the mark.

                  Here's the entire article and you can clearly see what context he talks in and it's a fairly common context to say that a god who gives cancer to children is evil.
                  Stephen Fry is a well-known atheist, and the actor-comedian had quite the reply when asked on Irish television how hed react if it turned out hes wrong, and God met him at the Pearly Gates of Heaven, which is what he said on this weeks The Meaning of Life with Gay Byrne,
                  Byrne asks Fry what he would say if God confronted him upon his death. Fry responds, I think Id say, Bone cancer in children? Whats that about? How dare you. How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault. Its not right. Its utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain? Thats what I would say.
                  When the host suggests Fry may not get into heaven with that attitude, Fry answers, But I wouldnt want to. I wouldnt want to get in on his terms. Theyre wrong. He goes on to praise the mythological gods of Greece for not presenting themselves as all-seeing, all-wise, all-kind, all-beneficent.
                  [But] the god that created this universe, if it was created by God, is quite clearly a maniac, continues Fry. [An] utter maniac, totally selfish. We have to spend our life on our knees thanking Him? The star adds, Atheism isnt just about not believing theres a God, but on the assumption that there is one, what kind of god is he? Its perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him, your life becomes simpler, purer, cleaner, more worth living, in my opinion.

                  Not exactly a diatribe about the evils of faith is it and he state's quite clearly they are his personal beliefs and he's not trying to force them on others.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                    It is a religion. It takes MORE faith to believe there IS no God. if your system of belief is about God— or about the non-existence of God, —God is still at the center of the argument !

                    The fundamental belief's about reality and Gods existence are at the foundation of both.


                    "The enemy is not religion, the enemy is faith. Believing something without proof is a fuck you to all the other people on earth." I don't agree with it, but that last part makes me laugh. Good thing we're centering on belief and not faith, or else I'd have to stop and go fuck myself!


                    When atheists rail against theists (as many did on my Facebook page), they are using the same fervor the religious use when making their claims against a secular society. By calling atheism a religion, I am not trying to craft terms or apply them out of convenience. I just see theists and atheists behaving in the same manner, approaching from opposite ends of the runway. The entire discourse about religion stems from those who think they know more than the other guy. But what we really know is that we don't know much. And we seem to share the same mechanisim in our brains that drives us to make claims of faith and rationalism as a way of making sense of the great unknown.


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                    http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/1...-is-a-religion

                    I don't believe in god in the same way I don't believe the Borg are about to pop up next week and assimilate us all as unless the Star Trek writers were amazingly lucky the Borg don't exist and nor does God. Atheism is not a religion and no amount of you saying it is makes it so just as no amount of me saying "Angelina Jollie fancies me and wants to take me on a hot date" makes that true.

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                    • #11
                      Byrne asks Fry what he would say if God confronted him upon his death. Fry responds,

                      I think Id say, Bone cancer in children? Whats that about? How dare you. How dare you create a world in which there is such misery that is not our fault. Its not right. Its utterly, utterly evil.

                      Here, he is blaming God for bone cancer in kids and suggesting that God is "utterly utterly evil" for this supposed deed. So, he starts off by blaming God for a misery causing kids disease and moves on to saying that a God that would allow such a thing must be evil.

                      ... and since such things ARE allowed here in this reality, God must be evil ! ... according to Mr. Fry.

                      Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a world that is so full of injustice and pain?

                      Why should he respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God ? - that is what the man said.


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                      • #12
                        What a bizarre and thoroughly unenlightened post by the original poster.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gnomon View Post
                          What a bizarre and thoroughly unenlightened post by the original poster.
                          Oh? And what additional light do you feel it needs?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gnomon View Post
                            What a bizarre and thoroughly unenlightened post by the original poster.
                            I agree, such senseless drivel. What drives some people huh ?

                            It's fun trolling isn't it ? ;-)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                              I think you will have to search long and hard to find Stephen Fry calling God evil or stupid which the topic title and first line of the post seem to imply.
                              I don't see how saying that getting rid of god made him feel any of those things is any more offensive than someone who decides god does exist saying those exact same things in reference to finding faith.
                              You seem almost terrified that atheists feel they have the same freedom of speech that theists have and are able to express the feelings they have about atheism.
                              Lastly what does Stephens sexuality have to do with anything here as he's doesn't even mention it.

                              Just so you know Stephen is one of the most popular actors/presenters in the UK and I've never heard him say anything about hating religion or thinking it's stupid so if you want to set up a topic about people hating theists that's fine but at least pick someone who does actually hate theists and not just a random atheist who's famous.

                              He says:

                              Atheism isnt just about not believing theres a God, but on the assumption that there is one, what kind of god is he? Its perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and deserves no respect whatsoever.
                              I read that quote to say that his opinion of God is not very high.

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