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  • #76
    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
    This is seemingly what happens to moderate Muslims:
    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0ZE2J1
    There are some who are confused by the term, "moderate Muslim."

    What does it mean to you?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by marsden View Post

      There are some who are confused by the term, "moderate Muslim."

      What does it mean to you?
      They are the ones who don't want to kill you themselves but just want someone else to do it for them.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by marsden View Post

        There are some who are confused by the term, "moderate Muslim."

        What does it mean to you?
        Folk who promote their faith and their people but don't feel the need to maim, burn, and murder to do so.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

          Folk who promote their faith and their people but don't feel the need to maim, burn, and murder to do so.
          Then in that case, moderates are kinda rare. How many muslims would put sharia law into place, if they could? I cannot recall what the poll said, but it was the majority. SO, only the muslims who do not want sharia are the moderates. And there just ain't enough of them to make a difference.

          This mantra about moderates is probably mostly illusion, or rather, when coming from a modern liberal, delusion. The ones who suffer from illusion are just ignorant.

          And that should be a means test for any musliim who wants to immigrate to America, or Europe. Put em on a lie detector and ask them if they are first a radical, and second, if they desire to see sharia in the nation they are moving into. Then you will allow in the ones that will half ass assimilate. Oh, next thing that will happen, is that "assimilate" will be a horrible thing, comparative to Nazi nationalism. If it is not here, get ready for it. More engineering of language for nefarious reasons. Which only works on idiots or dishonest people. And some are both, dishonest idiots. On this issue they seem to be in the modern liberal tribe, you know, that tribe filled with people who if not for laws against stupidity, would have ended up killing themselves and not messed up the gene pool.
          Last edited by Blue Doggy; 07-04-2016, 10:44 AM.

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          • #80
            Radical Muslims?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              Radical Muslims?

              Isn't asking Muslims if Sharia law should be the law of the land like asking Christians if the Ten Commandments or the Beatitudes should be the law of the land? Or asking Jews if the Mosaic law should be the law of the land? For most the answer would be yes, because they are taught that would actually bring peace or prosperity. But in practice using the the force of the state to do it would instantly negate any benefits.

              The question the world needs to ask is if they are willing to use force to enforce their religion on their neighbor, knowing that their neighbor would return the favor if they ever got the bigger stick. Cause that is actually what is happening, and no one is happy.

              Of course that's not a problem limited to the Islamic world. There are hundreds of Christian denominations great and small in the west who more or less get along just fine, which more than the budding religion of atheism can manage.
              Last edited by Commodore; 07-16-2016, 10:36 PM.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                Isn't asking Muslims if Sharia law should be the law of the land like asking Christians if the Ten Commandments or the Beatitudes should be the law of the land? Or asking Jews if the Mosaic law should be the law of the land? For most the answer would be yes, because they are taught that would actually bring peace or prosperity. But in practice using the the force of the state to do it would instantly negate any benefits.

                The question the world needs to ask is if they are willing to use force to enforce their religion on their neighbor, knowing that their neighbor would return the favor if they ever got the bigger stick. Cause that is actually what is happening, and no one is happy.

                Of course that's not a problem limited to the Islamic world. There are hundreds of Christian denominations great and small in the west who more or less get along just fine, which more than the budding religion of atheism can manage.
                That is one of the main tenets of Sharia. Convert or die. Other parts of Sharia are very radical as far as the U.S. is concerned. Treatment of women, honor killings, etc.

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                • #83
                  When will the modern liberal hold a march and rally in an Islamic pocket in Michagan, railing against Islam's attitude towards homosexuals? Or railing against the way islam views women? When will they treat muslims the way they treat Christians? This is the hypocrisy here with the modern liberal. And it makes them not worthy to even give an ear to. They should be marginalized but MSM trumps them up, and gives them respectability. So MSM is full of the same hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is related to being lying scumbags.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    When will the modern liberal hold a march and rally in an Islamic pocket in Michagan, railing against Islam's attitude towards homosexuals? Or railing against the way islam views women? When will they treat muslims the way they treat Christians? This is the hypocrisy here with the modern liberal. And it makes them not worthy to even give an ear to. They should be marginalized but MSM trumps them up, and gives them respectability. So MSM is full of the same hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is related to being lying scumbags.
                    Liberals are a puzzle. They support these Muslim groups who violate everything liberals stand for. I think they are simply scared of them. Maybe not a bad decision on their part.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      That is one of the main tenets of Sharia. Convert or die. Other parts of Sharia are very radical as far as the U.S. is concerned. Treatment of women, honor killings, etc.
                      Then that is where the line must be draw. If that was a belief held by all of them, they would have fought to the last man by now.

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                      • #86
                        Have any of you guys met a Muslim? Ate with one, socialized, spent time with their family?

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                          Have any of you guys met a Muslim? Ate with one, socialized, spent time with their family?
                          Yup, even talked religion with them. They are like many Americans, not intimately familiar with the doctrines of their faith.

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                          • #88
                            Too many people seem to consider them unknnowable aliens. The press and critics wiill pretty much ignnore anythinng moderate muslims say becsue it will not meet that high journalistic standard of "if it bleeds, it leads'.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                              Yup, even talked religion with them. They are like many Americans, not intimately familiar with the doctrines of their faith.
                              I bet they were as happy for you to sit down and talk with them about just how little they know about their own religion as you would be if someone did the same about Christianity to you.
                              I don't think you realise just how condescending you sound but here's a hint, very condescending.

                              As JDJarvis pointed out the reason we don't hear about moderate Muslims is that what they say is simply ignored by the media as it's not sensational enough.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                                I bet they were as happy for you to sit down and talk with them about just how little they know about their own religion as you would be if someone did the same about Christianity to you.
                                I don't think you realise just how condescending you sound but here's a hint, very condescending.

                                As JDJarvis pointed out the reason we don't hear about moderate Muslims is that what they say is simply ignored by the media as it's not sensational enough.
                                Another reason we don't hear about them is that there aren't very many of them and they won't speak out against the radicals for the same reason the MSM doesn't. They are afraid of them. Look what happens when you speak out against them. The MSM loves to bash Christianity because they know Christians won't come in and behead them.

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