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  • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

    When a schizoid talks to people no one else sees this isn't an illness either. We are just not sensitive enough to see or hear. No different from the chap who is genetically and biologically a male but thinks he is female. It's mental not physical. Just like the schizoid.
    Sorry, the medical world and legal world doesn't agree with you. Even North Carlina lets people chance the sex on their birth certificates.
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    • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

      They are indulging people with mental abberrations. They used to try to treat the problem. They have been pressured to indulge these people.
      Yup, next thing you know they'll be saying you don't have to test colored folk before they can vote, or that women have the mental and emotional control to vote at all ....

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      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

        I see. It's not that it's been pointed out repeatedly by health professionals that it's a form of mental illness. Very recently it has been "de-pathologized" by calling it another name. Word games, always word games. Playing games with words and definitions won't change reality ....

        But of course, I don't know what I'm talking about and "shouldn't be taken seriously."

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        Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.

        Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary in the Wall Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature assigned to them biologically.

        http://cnsnews.com/news/article/mich...der-sex-change

        This erstwhile disorder was recently renamed “gender dysphoria” in an effort to de-pathologize it,


        http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/target-st...llion-boycott/

        According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of "gender dysphoria." Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care.

        http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

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        The medical community itself is debating it. Very much like they debated and eventually "declassified" homosexuality as a mental disorder - in America.

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        In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) asked all members attending its convention to vote on whether they believed homosexuality to be a mental disorder. 5,854 psychiatrists voted to remove homosexuality from the DSM, and 3,810 to retain it.

        The APA then compromised, removing homosexuality from the DSM but replacing it, in effect, with "sexual orientation disturbance" for people "in conflict with" their sexual orientation. Not until 1987 did homosexuality completely fall out of the DSM.

        Meanwhile, the World Health Organization (WHO) only removed homosexuality from its ICD classification with the publication of ICD-10 in 1992, although ICD-10 still carries the construct of "ego-dystonic sexual orientation". In this condition, the person is not in doubt about his or her sexual preference, but "wishes it were different because of associated psychological and behavioural disorders".

        The evolution of the status of homosexuality in the classifications of mental disorders highlights that concepts of mental disorder can be social constructs that change as society changes.


        https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ental-disorder

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        Politics. Much of the world still calls these things what they are - denials of reality - what are known as mental disorders here in reality.


        There you go again confusing us with facts. We would rather live in our little emotional world than hear the truth.

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        • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

          Sorry, the medical world and legal world doesn't agree with you. Even North Carlina lets people chance the sex on their birth certificates.
          "

          Only because it is politically correct.

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          • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


            Only because it is politically correct.
            Only because that's been the opinion of the medical and legal fields. Yeah the wailing peecee crowd has a ridiculous ammonut of short term influence but in some areas when you stop and consider them within the confines of the discipline itself peecee influence is meaningless.

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            • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


              Only because it is politically correct.

              So you think all the professionals who disagree with you are only doing so for political reasons and that you know better?

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              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
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                There you go again confusing us with facts. We would rather live in our little emotional world than hear the truth.

                Or maybe just maybe we live in a world where the medical profession can overturn a previous position when the facts show them to be wrong as they have done with this.

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                • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post


                  Or maybe just maybe we live in a world where the medical profession can overturn a previous position when the facts show them to be wrong as they have done with this.
                  Accepting notions like that requires a passing knowledge of how medicine and science in general functions.

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                  • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post


                    Or maybe just maybe we live in a world where the medical profession can overturn a previous position when the facts show them to be wrong as they have done with this.
                    We know how psychology worked as the reason for changing opinion on homosexuality was not driven by hard science but socially driven by activists. Same with the topic at hand. That is the fact and is documented. So we stopped trying to cure it. Or even finding out its cause. I watched it happen. We are moving to a place where mental abberrations just do not exist. Might hurt feelings or upset someone. Science has nothing to do with it.
                    Last edited by Blue Doggy; 05-05-2016, 08:21 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                      We know how psychology worked as the reason for changing opinion on homosexuality was not driven by hard science but socially driven by activists. Same with the topic at hand. That is the fact and is documented. So we stopped trying to cure it. Or even finding out its cause. I watched it happen. We are moving to a place where mental abberrations just do not exist. Might hurt feelings or upset someone. Science has nothing to do with it.
                      We are moving to a place where people with non-harmful differences are not demonized, marginalized, and systematically oppressed by laws and views based on ignorance,hate, bigotry, and fear. Yes science has something to do with it. Scientific observation and data collection can indeed show that behaviors and lifestyles are non-harmful.

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                      • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                        Accepting notions like that requires a passing knowledge of how medicine and science in general functions.

                        It's very clear that you do not.

                        I've cited people, reported news events and professional sources.

                        You have played word games, mocked and offered nothing of substance YET.

                        Liberals have childish ideas not supported by reality OR logic. They lie, redefine words, play games and mock, it's all they have.

                        The liberal dream of redefining reality is a dream and will always be, only a dream. Play all the word games you like.

                        Redefine the meanings of words in hopes that reality will change, that your fantasies will come true.

                        Things will get better when you decide to grow up and face reality.

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        There you go again confusing us with facts. We would rather live in our little emotional world than hear the truth.
                        Facts are irrelevant to people who are able to operate only in the realm of childish dreams, fantasies & emotions.

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                        Giving no indication of yielding to pressure, North Carolina's Republican leaders called a federal warning about the legality of the state's new law limiting LGBT anti-discrimination rules a broad overreach by the government.

                        The North Carolina law, which requires transgender people to use public bathrooms that conform to the sex on their birth certificate, has been broadly condemned by gay-rights groups, businesses and entertainers, some of whom have relocated offices or canceled shows in the state. Several other states have proposed similar laws limiting lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender protections in recent months.


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                        http://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/politic...at-on-lgbt-law



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                        • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                          Not real good at paying attention? Gender Reassignnment isn't just cross-dressing.
                          No, but pumping yourself full of hormones or having yourself mutilated will no more change your gender than will putting on a dress.

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                          • Originally posted by Commodore View Post

                            No, but pumping yourself full of hormones or having yourself mutilated will no more change your gender than will putting on a dress.
                            Except it does, and legally too. It's more then pulling on a pair of pants or slipping on a dress. Almost the entirety of this argument focuses on a subset of a subset becasue the arguments are based on bigotry, ignorance, and fear. Women undergo gender reassignment to become men as well but for some odd reason critics almost never mention that because their entire argument is grounded on their emotional connections to the issue and not the realities of the issue. Ultimately it doesn't matter one darned bit if someone is transgender or not, it matters if they are willing to harm other individuals and there is no sustainable recourse within our legal system to maintain laws deigned to target a minority that is not proven to be dangerous. They've been in public bathrooms for years and no one gave a darn until the ignorant finally became aware they were there and decided to stop this new and frightening menace to their limited and incomplete view of reality.



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                            • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                              Except it does,

                              No, it doesn't...
                              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                              and legally too.

                              ... and no legislation or decree can make it so.
                              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                              Almost the entirety of this argument focuses on a subset of a subset becasue the arguments are based on bigotry, ignorance, and fear. Women undergo gender reassignment to become men as well but for some odd reason critics almost never mention that because their entire argument is grounded on their emotional connections to the issue and not the realities of the issue. Ultimately it doesn't matter one darned bit if someone is transgender or not, it matters if they are willing to harm other individuals and there is no sustainable recourse within our legal system to maintain laws deigned to target a minority that is not proven to be dangerous. They've been in public bathrooms for years and no one gave a darn until the ignorant finally became aware they were there and decided to stop this new and frightening menace to their limited and incomplete view of reality.
                              The entire argument is based on the fact that a tiny subset of the population is demanding that the world acknowledge and celebrate their delusion, at the price of allowing perverts to actually reach their victims, instead of being stopped at the door.

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                              • Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                                No, it doesn't...

                                ... and no legislation or decree can make it so.

                                The entire argument is based on the fact that a tiny subset of the population is demanding that the world acknowledge and celebrate their delusion, at the price of allowing perverts to actually reach their victims, instead of being stopped at the door.
                                Like the whole "gay marriage" silliness, it's the same game being played on us again. Redefine words and their meanings to make the rest of the world believe the deluded are something else.

                                They were very successful with "marriage," so they will keep going. These things will never end now because of what we've allowed to be done to us already.

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