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  • Originally posted by Commodore View Post

    It's not so much that they can't be trusted, it's that they are in direct rebellion against not only the law, societal norms, and common sense, but reality itself.
    Oh that's it, that common sense which has led North Carolina to pass a law that violates federal laws and in reality is also bypassed by some of it's own laws.
    Last edited by JDJarvis; 05-06-2016, 05:09 AM.

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    • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

      Oh that's it, that common sense which has led North Carolina to pass a law that violates federal laws and in reality is also bypassed by some of it's own laws.

      There is no protected class for sexual orientation.

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      • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

        And the magic barrier that is going to keep those men out of the women's room is...
        The magic barrier is the public eye. It's foolish to think that any law will prevent every wrong doing. What we can do is make law to prevent as much opportunity for wrongdoing as possible. In fact in some instances it's best not to impose law at all. Many (NOT all), things are best left up to the community who knows what's best for their own community. The art of persuasion is much more powerful than any law. If Charlotte lawmakers did not try to pass an ordinance(make a law), forcing business owners to accommodate the transgender community, that has great potential to put another sect of the community, (females) in harm's way, and could put them in financial ruin, passing a law to stop it in it's tracks would not have been necessary and would not have been created.

        Why don't you acknowledge that it is the transgender community, and supporters of, that ruffled the feathers of society by trying to pass an ordinance that targets women and small businesses. That's when the law war began.

        Here's a letter from the voice of the people requesting action from their state gov't to stop a harmful law, not to make a law. Dear Governor McCrory

        The Charlotte City Council passed its bathroom ordinance that permits anyone to access the public bathrooms and shower rooms of their choice. Men who claim to identify as women, regardless of their appearance, must be permitted access to bathrooms and shower rooms used by women and girls. This unprecedented new law will harm businesses and job growth within and outside of Charlotte. The ordinance exposes businesses to punitive fines, and owners to actual jail time, if they don’t open up their bathrooms and showers to members of the opposite sex, and it guarantees they will face potentially ruinous lawsuits if they don’t invest in expensive renovations of their bathroom facilities to protect the privacy and safety of their customers and employees. We can see no good reason to jeopardize the small businesses that sustain and create new jobs in North Carolina. Without such ordinances, the state is one of the top five states in the nation in actual and prospective job growth. We urge you to promptly sign legislation to prevent Charlotte and any other city that may follow in its destructive path from enacting such harmful laws.

        http://keepmyncsafe.com/business-faith-leaders/

        What makes you think you have the right or ability to judge the intent of people and label them bigot's? In fact you are the pot calling the kettle black, for you are the bigot. Much like the bigots that don't like Christians because they don't want to indulge in your ideology. You want to force things upon people where conservatives and Christians want to be left alone to live their lives WITHOUT forcing conformity upon others. Your thinking is the destruction of a free America.

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        • Yes the goal is using the public eye to discriminate against an extremely small minority of people.
          The whole argument about who ruffled feathers is nonsense, that's like saying black folks had no right to spend their money at the lunch counter because they insisted on the right to spend their money at the lunch counter.

          This is the United States of America where people fight for their rights, they don't wait for them to be doled out by their masters.

          People are free to be left alone and live their lives without forcing their conformity on others, by staying home.

          And just who the heck are the " Christians want to be left alone to live their lives WITHOUT forcing conformity upon others." that support these potty laws, because they sure as heck can't logically exist as they are trying to force a conformity on others???

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          • Originally posted by msc View Post
            The magic barrier is the public eye. It's foolish to think that any law will prevent every wrong doing. What we can do is make law to prevent as much opportunity for wrongdoing as possible. In fact in some instances it's best not to impose law at all. Many (NOT all), things are best left up to the community who knows what's best for their own community. The art of persuasion is much more powerful than any law. If Charlotte lawmakers did not try to pass an ordinance(make a law), forcing business owners to accommodate the transgender community, that has great potential to put another sect of the community, (females) in harm's way, and could put them in financial ruin, passing a law to stop it in it's tracks would not have been necessary and would not have been created.

            Why don't you acknowledge that it is the transgender community, and supporters of, that ruffled the feathers of society by trying to pass an ordinance that targets women and small businesses. That's when the law war began.

            Here's a letter from the voice of the people requesting action from their state gov't to stop a harmful law, not to make a law. Dear Governor McCrory

            The Charlotte City Council passed its bathroom ordinance that permits anyone to access the public bathrooms and shower rooms of their choice. Men who claim to identify as women, regardless of their appearance, must be permitted access to bathrooms and shower rooms used by women and girls. This unprecedented new law will harm businesses and job growth within and outside of Charlotte. The ordinance exposes businesses to punitive fines, and owners to actual jail time, if they don’t open up their bathrooms and showers to members of the opposite sex, and it guarantees they will face potentially ruinous lawsuits if they don’t invest in expensive renovations of their bathroom facilities to protect the privacy and safety of their customers and employees. We can see no good reason to jeopardize the small businesses that sustain and create new jobs in North Carolina. Without such ordinances, the state is one of the top five states in the nation in actual and prospective job growth. We urge you to promptly sign legislation to prevent Charlotte and any other city that may follow in its destructive path from enacting such harmful laws.

            http://keepmyncsafe.com/business-faith-leaders/

            What makes you think you have the right or ability to judge the intent of people and label them bigot's? In fact you are the pot calling the kettle black, for you are the bigot. Much like the bigots that don't like Christians because they don't want to indulge in your ideology. You want to force things upon people where conservatives and Christians want to be left alone to live their lives WITHOUT forcing conformity upon others. Your thinking is the destruction of a free America.
            Our marching orders are, agree with and do what liberals tell us.

            Don't abide ?

            Have our lives destroyed by our peaceful, tolerant & loving liberal "friends."

            They're peaceful and loving and tolerant ... all words they use to hide their destructive, hateful bigotry behind.. . as they call anyone that doesn't agree with them these things.

            More people are seeing the lies and games of words liberals play. The reign of terror will be short lived.

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            In America, you should be free to disagree. But under a new form of tyranny, that is no longer the case. The left is saying, in effect, “Do it our way or we’ll see you in court.”

            In the new America, the left is on its way to creating a climate where you have freedom – as long as you abide by the prevailing politically correct ethos. We are seeing this played out even in the matter of men getting legal permission to go to the ladies’ room.

            ADF, the Alliance Defending Freedom, is being pro-active to help churches and ministries stay faithful to the Bible and not run afoul of the law with its new publication, “Protecting Your Ministry from Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity Lawsuits: A Legal Guide for Churches, Christian Schools, and Christian Ministries.”

            Alan Sears is the founding director of ADF, and I asked him for a statement on the new publication. He told me, “ADF created the ‘Protecting Your Ministry’ manual to help protect Christian ministries from legal threats that come when the government adds so-called ‘sexual orientation’ and ‘gender identity’ to laws.”

            He further noted, “ADF has seen a major push for these laws by activists at the federal, state and local level. This push has reached a fever pitch since the Supreme Court’s marriage decision. The manual identifies proactive steps that ministries can take to strengthen a First Amendment defense against a lawsuit should one arise.”

            The booklet states: “A new concept – that ‘sexual liberty’ trumps religious freedom – has begun to impact churches, ministries, and individual Christians across this nation.”

            The document from ADF shows real, everyday people who have been victimized by lawsuits brought on by those who are trying to impose a politically correct agenda on the rest of us. The victims of these lawsuits are usually small-businesspeople.

            For example, the publication mentions how ADF defended a Christian photographer who respectfully declined to photograph a same-sex union. ADF argued, “The same-sex couple themselves admit they had no trouble finding another photographer – so their suit is essentially about punishing [the photographer] for not supporting same-sex unions.” Conscience considerations, notwithstanding.

            “How many of these folks feel like they went to bed one night in America but when they woke up the next morning they were in Russia? It’s certainly the kind of thing you would expect there, not in a country built on the idea of liberty under God.”



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            • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
              Yes the goal is using the public eye to discriminate against an extremely small minority of people.
              The whole argument about who ruffled feathers is nonsense, that's like saying black folks had no right to spend their money at the lunch counter because they insisted on the right to spend their money at the lunch counter.

              This is the United States of America where people fight for their rights, they don't wait for them to be doled out by their masters.

              People are free to be left alone and live their lives without forcing their conformity on others, by staying home.

              And just who the heck are the " Christians want to be left alone to live their lives WITHOUT forcing conformity upon others." that support these potty laws, because they sure as heck can't logically exist as they are trying to force a conformity on others???
              How many white folks will go and use shoe black on their faces and then try to pass as a black to get affirmative action? How many males will say they are a female inside and insist on using the dressing rooms where females are undressing and showering? No cases in the first instance, but if you think some men will not abuse the right on getting in amongst naked female bodies....

              Hell, the next thing is to just allow males and females shower together after a phys ed course in school, and there will be some stupid argument used to promote that as well.

              If it were only prior men who had their peckers removed, and estrogen treatments to give them breasts and feminine characteristics that is one thing, but that is not the case here, is it? These laws are too wide and will allow this bullshit to go on. It seems we do not care about the 99 percent who do not want a man dressing with them simply because he says he is a girl. Good grief. Also comparing race to the psychological afflicted is one helluva stretch. So, invalid and as weak as a torn spider web.

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              • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                How many white folks will go and use shoe black on their faces and then try to pass as a black to get affirmative action? How many males will say they are a female inside and insist on using the dressing rooms where females are undressing and showering? No cases in the first instance, but if you think some men will not abuse the right on getting in amongst naked female bodies....

                Hell, the next thing is to just allow males and females shower together after a phys ed course in school, and there will be some stupid argument used to promote that as well.

                If it were only prior men who had their peckers removed, and estrogen treatments to give them breasts and feminine characteristics that is one thing, but that is not the case here, is it? These laws are too wide and will allow this bullshit to go on. It seems we do not care about the 99 percent who do not want a man dressing with them simply because he says he is a girl. Good grief. Also comparing race to the psychological afflicted is one helluva stretch. So, invalid and as weak as a torn spider web.
                As is every "argument" that might be dreamed up in support of such foolishness.

                But it doesn't matter see ? We're "hateful bigots."

                Reality or truth don't matter to angry children who call you names, anymore than it does to adults who are confused, belligerent and angry & call you names.

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                • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                  How many white folks will go and use shoe black on their faces and then try to pass as a black to get affirmative action?
                  This question alone should let you know how darned silly you sound in general in this topic.


                  How many males will say they are a female inside and insist on using the dressing rooms where females are undressing and showering? No cases in the first instance, but if you think some men will not abuse the right on getting in amongst naked female bodies....
                  No cases of someone faking they are black? You must have a short memory: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7568856.html

                  there's this one too: http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-k...d-to-be-black/

                  How many males who are otherwise not sex offenders do you think there are that want to be labelled for trying to pass as a woman, or trying to pass as transgender, think about that real carefully.... I'm sure there's going been a few out there, but they have likely done it long before any bigot thought they needed to frame laws to target transgender folk.



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                  • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

                    This question alone should let you know how darned silly you sound in general in this topic.




                    No cases of someone faking they are black? You must have a short memory: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7568856.html

                    there's this one too: http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-k...d-to-be-black/

                    How many males who are otherwise not sex offenders do you think there are that want to be labelled for trying to pass as a woman, or trying to pass as transgender, think about that real carefully.... I'm sure there's going been a few out there, but they have likely done it long before any bigot thought they needed to frame laws to target transgender folk.
                    Yes, bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - ... oh and hateful, we can't forget that. Hateful bigot, that's what we are ... I mean he is ... I mean I mean I mean ....

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                    • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                      As is every "argument" that might be dreamed up in support of such foolishness.

                      But it doesn't matter see ? We're "hateful bigots."

                      Reality or truth don't matter to angry children who call you names, anymore than it does to adults who are confused, belligerent and angry & call you names.
                      Of course declaring strange people to be criminals who have committed no crime doesn't possibly come from a position of bigotry, nor would insisting their behavior is an aberrant illness despite states (including North Carolina) allow people to change their sex on their birth certificates which is a darned strange thing as the law does not typically follow the wishes of the mentally ill. I'm amused, not the slightest bit confused (I for one am not a Big Government opponent who thinks the government should pass laws about who uses which toilet). Crying for your nanny to protect you from the boogie man in the restroom sure speaks volumes about the emotional and mental maturity for people that think laws targeting minorities that are harming no one is a good idea.

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                      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                        Yes, bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - bigot - repeat - ... oh and hateful, we can't forget that. Hateful bigot, that's what we are ... I mean he is ... I mean I mean I mean ....
                        You have nothing else but hate and ignorance to fall back on in this argument, keep on ranting it sure underscores what I've said before rather well.

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                        • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

                          This question alone should let you know how darned silly you sound in general in this topic.




                          No cases of someone faking they are black? You must have a short memory: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7568856.html

                          there's this one too: http://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-k...d-to-be-black/

                          How many males who are otherwise not sex offenders do you think there are that want to be labelled for trying to pass as a woman, or trying to pass as transgender, think about that real carefully.... I'm sure there's going been a few out there, but they have likely done it long before any bigot thought they needed to frame laws to target transgender folk.


                          So we had a few faking they were black to achieve something otherwise not entitled to. Porn is the biggest thing on the net with males digging it. But now, this lust to see females in the flesh will not be using this opportunity by saying they are really females inside? Are you detached from what we are? Younger men are ruled over by their little head, most. The sex drive is very powerful and turns many of us into blind idiots. And that is not new and you damn well know it. I have not brought up sex offenders for I do not need them in my point of view.

                          What is silly is your detachment here. Unbelievable actually. What are you, a monk in a monestary? No offense man.

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                          • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                            You have nothing else but hate and ignorance to fall back on in this argument, keep on ranting it sure underscores what I've said before rather well.
                            Thank you for making my point so perfectly crystal clear.

                            ...hate and ignorance...hate and ignorance ...hate and ignorance...hate and ignorance ...hate and ignorance...hate and ignorance ...hate and ignorance .. oh and let's not forget bigot !!!

                            Reality or truth don't matter to angry children who call you names, anymore than it does to adults who are confused, belligerent and angry & call you names.

                            Are you even aware of the subject matter here ?

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                            • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                              So we had a few faking they were black to achieve something otherwise not entitled to. Porn is the biggest thing on the net with males digging it. But now, this lust to see females in the flesh will not be using this opportunity by saying they are really females inside? Are you nutless or something and detached from what we are? Younger men are ruled over by their little head, most. The sex drive is very powerful and turns many of us into blind idiots. And that is not new and you damn well know it. I have not brought up sex offenders for I do not need them in my point of view.

                              What is silly is your detachment here. Unbelievable actually. What are you, a monk in a monestary? No offense man.
                              You are insulting. I'm an intelligent adult, that isn't so obsessed with sex and how other people feel about sex,it doesn't overrule my capacity to reason and argue within the context of the legal system we actually have. One doesn't have to be a monk or "nutless" to be respectful of other people.

                              Early in this thread I pointed out how to deal with highschool morons who want to sneak a peek by faking they are transgender: let everyone know about their new chosen identity, it's sure to go over great with their parents and fellow students.



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                              • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                                Thank you for making my point so perfectly crystal clear.

                                ...hate and ignorance...hate and ignorance ...hate and ignorance...hate and ignorance ...hate and ignorance...hate and ignorance ...hate and ignorance .. oh and let's not forget bigot !!!

                                Reality or truth don't matter to angry children who call you names, anymore than it does to adults who are confused, belligerent and angry & call you names.

                                Are you even aware of the subject matter here ?
                                Seriously have you actually been reading this thread? Your ranting in type is not helping your position. I haven't called anyone here a name or been belligerent, claiming a view comes from bigotry doesn't mean someone is themselves a bigot, unless they actually are a bigot.

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