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  • #16
    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
    Is this really about where people pee? I mustbe doing it wrong because I've been letting males and.females inmy house piss in the same room for years...
    Architecturally speaking, it would not be significantly more expensive to have an equal number of fully enclosed "water closets" instead of stalls, even to the point of having a small sink and mirror. You would just have to place them adjacent to a public area, otherwise kids will pair up and take advantage of the additional privacy. Where there is a will there is a way, of course, but stewards of such public places have a responsibility to deter such shenanigans, if for no other reason than to keep the line moving.

    In this case, showers would benefit from the same set up. Even stalls would be an improvement, allowing people to put themselves back together before returning to a public place.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
      And so, either the school allows the boy to pee with the girls, or DC cuts off funding for the school? Heinlein's Crazy Years folks, and what a society looks like when its in its death throes. You all know this is utter insanity, right? This does not end well, trust me. Where is Scotty when you need him?

      I fully expect to get up any morning now, and run to town to pick up my bacon egg and cheese biscuit, and everyone I meet will be have drool running down their chins, mumbling to the sky, swatting imaginary bats, and smelling like a toilet, for everyone has shit and pissed in their britches.

      How do you get out of this mad house, without committing suicide? This ain't no country for oldmen, no sir.

      No wonder Putin doesn't respect America. Who in their right mind would?
      I've thought the same thing myself in recent months.
      What a country ..



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      • #18
        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

        I've thought the same thing myself in recent months.
        What a country ..


        Yes, well just think about it. Here we have Russia, with values more along the lines of what we had for most of our history, and when they look at modern America, this is what they see. A nation taking leave of its senses. If we would have looked at a nation that acts like ours, say 50 years ago, what Russia says about us, we would be saying about them. This is just the reality of the situation.

        IMO, we have literally turned into Sodom and gormorrah, plus, we have went a bit bonkers, crazy. It is easy for me to see it, having been raised in totally different times, and frankly, it's surreal to me. Changes are not always good, they do not always benefit human society. Some call it progress, but in reality it may indeed be regress.

        I just wonder if we will ever cycle back to something that appears like sanity? Or can this only happen once this corporate/banking owned oligarchy empire implodes? It would make for a great sci fi story, I think.

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        • #19
          So is it OK to have school girls be exposed to a penis because that person identifies as a female? If this is the case, and we are looking at this critically, then any boy flashing a girl would not really be committing a crime of any sort, or vice versa.

          Further, what constitutes a man or a woman? Is it how you feel in your head? This is only a recent push and the separation of gender from sex was only a recent thing (from the 60s at the earliest). Furthermore, the concept of gender being separate from sex actually had nothing to do with transgender at all. It was something to call attention to discrimination against woman and was part of the feminist movement.

          I don't believe there is such a thing as transgender. It is made up. There is transexual, but no transgender.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
            So is it OK to have school girls be exposed to a penis because that person identifies as a female? If this is the case, and we are looking at this critically, then any boy flashing a girl would not really be committing a crime of any sort, or vice versa.

            Further, what constitutes a man or a woman? Is it how you feel in your head? This is only a recent push and the separation of gender from sex was only a recent thing (from the 60s at the earliest). Furthermore, the concept of gender being separate from sex actually had nothing to do with transgender at all. It was something to call attention to discrimination against woman and was part of the feminist movement.

            I don't believe there is such a thing as transgender. It is made up. There is transexual, but no transgender.

            As I said in the other thread...

            This has always been around. Today we have social media and fox news and msnbc cranking up the hype-o-meter to warp 100 (thx, Star Trek rules, I know).

            This whole debate is a distraction. Gay people are finally being recognized. They make up an estimated 5% - 20% of the population depending on how you count. Girl on girl doesn't seem to be as big of a problem as guy on guy for some strange reason.

            As for the whole Sodom and Gomorrah argument. First of all, that's the same book that insists Jonah was swallowed by a whale and forbids shellfish. I'll take your point that it was a story, a myth, about Sodom and Gomorrah, but at what point in history were things all warm and fuzzy? Try never.

            My list from the other thread:

            How many illegitimate children did Thomas Jefferson have again? How did the Church of England get its start again? Ghandi. Einstein. Earhart. DiMaggio. Monroe. Kennedy. James Dean. Joan of Arc. J Edgar Hoover. Lincoln. James Buchanan. Nixon. Holy crap, I'm sure that's not it.

            Point is, in the past society shunned these people. Today, people everywhere are demanding they get equal treatment under the law. That's it.

            Public urination is not going to be ok. The slippery slope argument does not apply here. Want to meet a really mentally ill person. Google Kristin Beck. Let her use the bloody women's room and lets get back to balancing the damn budget!

            That being said, I don't think we need laws to govern who can use what bathroom. It's a distraction.

            People just need to be educated that these people are out there. Don't shun them or call for them to be put in the stockades. Let's welcome them to the modern world, and tell them please keep it zipped up, you economic girly man.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
              I'm pretty sure are ways for medical and mental experts to confirm whether or not someone is a genuine transgender person rather than just a horny teenager wanting to get into the girls changing rooms.
              And at the mean time it is at the expense of the girls in the changing room that this student is allowed to change with / in front / around them changing, until this is all sorted out?

              What if it turns out he is just some guy? Hardly undoes the damage to these little girls, does it?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by .3dontVoteParty View Post
                Public urination is not going to be ok.
                No that is the whole point ; some pervert may decide to use the opposite gender's bathroom instead, as he / she now has the ability to do so without retribution.

                The slippery slope argument does not apply here. Want to meet a really mentally ill person. Google Kristin Beck. Let her use the bloody women's room and lets get back to balancing the damn budget!
                Pretty sure Good1 started this thread, to talk about this issue. You don't like it, feel free to leave or start some thread on the budget.

                Btw this is the entirety of the slippery slope argument ; gays then transgender / sexual people and wham, you have boys changing in the girl's locker room.

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                • #23
                  .... and Like I said in #7; "When we can say we are anything we want to be - according to our 'feelings,' the boundaries ... there ARE none."

                  We have a few gas-bag idiots making a lot of noise, trying to erase all boundaries. That don't have a clue about what they are doing.

                  When the results of what they have wrought come about, they will say: "That's not what we wanted. That's not what we meant. That's YOUR fault !"

                  We're not dealing with logical OR sensible people here. The topic, and their "arguments" make this evident.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    Yes, well just think about it. Here we have Russia, with values more along the lines of what we had for most of our history, and when they look at modern America, this is what they see. A nation taking leave of its senses. If we would have looked at a nation that acts like ours, say 50 years ago, what Russia says about us, we would be saying about them. This is just the reality of the situation.
                    It is.

                    Mr. Putin has been doing a fine job of making an ass of Mr. Obama too.

                    I have a feeling that this phenomenon isn't yet over.

                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    IMO, we have literally turned into Sodom and gormorrah, plus, we have went a bit bonkers, crazy. It is easy for me to see it, having been raised in totally different times, and frankly, it's surreal to me. Changes are not always good, they do not always benefit human society. Some call it progress, but in reality it may indeed be regress.
                    The s$#t our media and politicians have been feeding us, makes it easy to seem like we have become a new instance of Sodom.

                    We have to keep in mind though; These people no longer represent America or the American people.

                    Of course they will insist they DO. They will cite how we have "progressed" as a nation etc. .... the fact is they have become embarrassing degenerates - we have not.

                    That they want to drag us along the downwards spiral with them, is only natural.

                    It's not going to work for them. Reality will judge them and award them what they brought upon themselves.

                    Some innocents will experience some pain too, but that's what happens when a destructive force gets larger than it should have been allowed to.

                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    I just wonder if we will ever cycle back to something that appears like sanity? Or can this only happen once this corporate/banking owned oligarchy empire implodes? It would make for a great sci fi story, I think.
                    Make a great sci fi story ?

                    It IS one !! One you and I are living and playing small parts in !

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by .3dontVoteParty View Post


                      As I said in the other thread...

                      This has always been around. Today we have social media and fox news and msnbc cranking up the hype-o-meter to warp 100 (thx, Star Trek rules, I know).

                      This whole debate is a distraction. Gay people are finally being recognized. They make up an estimated 5% - 20% of the population depending on how you count. Girl on girl doesn't seem to be as big of a problem as guy on guy for some strange reason.

                      As for the whole Sodom and Gomorrah argument. First of all, that's the same book that insists Jonah was swallowed by a whale and forbids shellfish. I'll take your point that it was a story, a myth, about Sodom and Gomorrah, but at what point in history were things all warm and fuzzy? Try never.

                      My list from the other thread:

                      How many illegitimate children did Thomas Jefferson have again? How did the Church of England get its start again? Ghandi. Einstein. Earhart. DiMaggio. Monroe. Kennedy. James Dean. Joan of Arc. J Edgar Hoover. Lincoln. James Buchanan. Nixon. Holy crap, I'm sure that's not it.

                      Point is, in the past society shunned these people. Today, people everywhere are demanding they get equal treatment under the law. That's it.

                      Public urination is not going to be ok. The slippery slope argument does not apply here. Want to meet a really mentally ill person. Google Kristin Beck. Let her use the bloody women's room and lets get back to balancing the damn budget!

                      That being said, I don't think we need laws to govern who can use what bathroom. It's a distraction.

                      People just need to be educated that these people are out there. Don't shun them or call for them to be put in the stockades. Let's welcome them to the modern world, and tell them please keep it zipped up, you economic girly man.
                      I'm not sure where you are going with this response, or why you quoted me, as it doesn't seem to correlate to anything I wrote. I didn't bring up Sodom and Gomorrah, or the Bible at all. That isn't my concern. What I'm stating is that a transgender is a made up term, it is transexual. A transexual male going into a school's changing room, showers, ect, isn't something that would be comfortable for a lot of girls, or even proper. No matter what the person "feels" they are, they still have a Johnson swinging between their legs. That's not OK. Maybe if they are post, OP then that would be a different story, but I believe they generally don't do reassignment surgery on minors. No, I don't think an actual transexual individual is going to go in there to be all perverted and such. That's not my position. I'm simply saying the plumbing doesn't match and that is something to consider.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                        It is.

                        Mr. Putin has been doing a fine job of making an ass of Mr. Obama too.

                        I have a feeling that this phenomenon isn't yet over.



                        The s$#t our media and politicians have been feeding us, makes it easy to seem like we have become a new instance of Sodom.

                        We have to keep in mind though; These people no longer represent America or the American people.

                        Of course they will insist they DO. They will cite how we have "progressed" as a nation etc. .... the fact is they have become embarrassing degenerates - we have not.

                        That they want to drag us along the downwards spiral with them, is only natural.

                        It's not going to work for them. Reality will judge them and award them what they brought upon themselves.

                        Some innocents will experience some pain too, but that's what happens when a destructive force gets larger than it should have been allowed to.



                        Make a great sci fi story ?

                        It IS one !! One you and I are living and playing small parts in !

                        Ha, ha. Yep, you are right, we are living in a time that looks just like a sci fi story written at an earlier time in our history.

                        Since I lived in much different times, in my youth, which was basically a continuation of the America of the early 20th century, the changes that have occurred in my own life time, has turned this into as, "this is no country for oldmen" to quote a line from the mouth of Tommy Lee Jones in reference to these regressive changes in society. And, this transgender movement that makes it acceptable for boys or men to be peeping toms legally in the rooms that we have made off limits for them since the fall of the roman empire in the west, would have been a pipe dream for the adolescent boys in the era that I grew up. But society had better sense back then and would have jap slapped you if you were crazy enough to suggest such a thing.

                        There is not doubt, or there should be no doubt, that these changes in the social structure has been fostered upon an asleep population by all forms of our media. From entertainment to the misnomer of "the news". If you are as old as me and the oldman, you would have noticed this, as it really is obvious. But if you were born into this successful social engineering, fostered upon us by these regressive loony tunes liberals, that seem to delight in "anything goes" of course it becomes "normal" and accepted without one iota of critical thought.

                        In regards to what .3don'tVotePary, questioning the veracity, by questioning a story from the Bible as being factual, he intentionally misses the point of that remark. Literature is filled with stories that teach important lessons, and Aesops Fables comes to mind.

                        What we have lost, and are still in the process of losing, as a society, is just simply RESPONSIBILITY, and it is permeating this society in several aspects and areas. This is but one of them. It is irresponsible to allow genetically determined gender into the private areas of the opposite sex. If you really want to help these trans this or trans that people, who undoubtably are mentally afflicted with an abnormality, hell, try to find a way to fix them, and bring them back into normality. But to indulge them, is like indulging anyone who is mentally "off". What's next? Perhaps it will be a group of people who are nuts and drink their own urine or the urine of others, privately, but now demand to be able to do that in an eatery. Or a bar. Right next to the people who are not doing that. That it would bother the heck out of everyone else doesn't matter anymore with some of these people. For all that matters is that a minority, because they are a minority, not be discriminated against because they are bat shit crazy, and we impose their lunacy upon others, by changing the traditional ways we have dealt with this.

                        If one of my kids began to think he was a girl trapped in a boys body, unlike some liberals today, I would never indulge that, encourage it, hell, I would have the kid in a shrinks office before you could say a New York Second. Perhaps you get people thinking they are a girl, when they are genetically a boy, because the parents who are raising the kid are bat shit crazy, and they are just copying what they see in their environment. And of course Hollywood is also conditioning our youth to accept or even to emulate what they see in film and other entertainment. This idea that some of us cannot be conditioned by what they absorb like a sponge when young is disconnected from reality. For we all learn what is acceptable and what is not acceptable by the society that we grow up in. We are all, irrevocably, conditioned brains. And the conditioning determines the quality of the society that is produced. Inescapable.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post


                          Ha, ha. Yep, you are right, we are living in a time that looks just like a sci fi story written at an earlier time in our history.

                          Since I lived in much different times, in my youth, which was basically a continuation of the America of the early 20th century, the changes that have occurred in my own life time, has turned this into as, "this is no country for oldmen" to quote a line from the mouth of Tommy Lee Jones in reference to these regressive changes in society. And, this transgender movement that makes it acceptable for boys or men to be peeping toms legally in the rooms that we have made off limits for them since the fall of the roman empire in the west, would have been a pipe dream for the adolescent boys in the era that I grew up. But society had better sense back then and would have jap slapped you if you were crazy enough to suggest such a thing.

                          There is not doubt, or there should be no doubt, that these changes in the social structure has been fostered upon an asleep population by all forms of our media. From entertainment to the misnomer of "the news". If you are as old as me and the oldman, you would have noticed this, as it really is obvious. But if you were born into this successful social engineering, fostered upon us by these regressive loony tunes liberals, that seem to delight in "anything goes" of course it becomes "normal" and accepted without one iota of critical thought.

                          In regards to what .3don'tVotePary, questioning the veracity, by questioning a story from the Bible as being factual, he intentionally misses the point of that remark. Literature is filled with stories that teach important lessons, and Aesops Fables comes to mind.

                          What we have lost, and are still in the process of losing, as a society, is just simply RESPONSIBILITY, and it is permeating this society in several aspects and areas. This is but one of them. It is irresponsible to allow genetically determined gender into the private areas of the opposite sex. If you really want to help these trans this or trans that people, who undoubtably are mentally afflicted with an abnormality, hell, try to find a way to fix them, and bring them back into normality. But to indulge them, is like indulging anyone who is mentally "off". What's next? Perhaps it will be a group of people who are nuts and drink their own urine or the urine of others, privately, but now demand to be able to do that in an eatery. Or a bar. Right next to the people who are not doing that. That it would bother the heck out of everyone else doesn't matter anymore with some of these people. For all that matters is that a minority, because they are a minority, not be discriminated against because they are bat shit crazy, and we impose their lunacy upon others, by changing the traditional ways we have dealt with this.

                          If one of my kids began to think he was a girl trapped in a boys body, unlike some liberals today, I would never indulge that, encourage it, hell, I would have the kid in a shrinks office before you could say a New York Second. Perhaps you get people thinking they are a girl, when they are genetically a boy, because the parents who are raising the kid are bat shit crazy, and they are just copying what they see in their environment. And of course Hollywood is also conditioning our youth to accept or even to emulate what they see in film and other entertainment. This idea that some of us cannot be conditioned by what they absorb like a sponge when young is disconnected from reality. For we all learn what is acceptable and what is not acceptable by the society that we grow up in. We are all, irrevocably, conditioned brains. And the conditioning determines the quality of the society that is produced. Inescapable.
                          Well said.

                          I'm only two years short of 50, so I'm old enough. Spent most of my childhood in the 70's and 80's.

                          ALL of this sexual business, sexual anarchy really - attempts to blur, or erase lines drawn by nature, is the result of a madness our society is experiencing. First; "gay" people getting "married," along come another type of perverts claiming they feel like this or that and demanding a "right" to visit restrooms of the opposite sex - etc etc ... and many of us see these things as "Ok." It's in the news so much, the president favors these things... they MUST be good and right !!! This must be what progress looks like .... not necessarily.

                          As you point out, we now confuse our own kids about these things and think we're doing them a favor !! People I know are convinced their 4 year old boy is gay and have been encouraging him - guiding him actually - to "accept who he is." Clearly these parents are confused and misguided.

                          Ever tried to explain to the insane that he/she is insane ? It's as productive as trying to explain to certain people that these things they argue in favor of are madness.

                          From a purely objective standpoint, it's really very interesting this phenomenon we're witnessing. We're being told we're "making progress" - by people who really believe we are - when the opposite is true !

                          We'll come around on our own eventually, or reality will bring us back around. The same old cycle of foolishness humans have been putting themselves through for as long as we've existed. Sad that we never learn, yet we think we're so smart ? So 'advanced' ?

                          Perpetual irresponsiblity. Stupidity really.

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                          There Is No Such Thing as 'Transgendered'

                          Conservatives win when people have the truth, because modern liberal causes are always built on lies.

                          When conservatives buy into the lie, we lose. For example, gay marriage is culturally accepted, in part, because for 30 years conservatives have been unwilling, out of misplaced sympathy, to correctly describe the gay lifestyle.

                          Sexually active gays are essentially never monogamous, die young due to diseases they get from their promiscuous lifestyle, are depressed and despondent, are likely to use drugs, and are fixated on sex, not love. Being a sexually active gay is worse for one's health than being a smoker.

                          Yet conservatives generally haven't objected to the lie that gays are just like heterosexuals. But once one agrees to that, it's really hard to explain to low-information voters why gays don't make great parents and shouldn't be allowed to marry.

                          .....

                          The latest round in liberals' assault on Judeo-Christian morality is their demented desire to normalize insanity – namely that one's sex is merely a matter of what one wants it to be. As usual, their position is based on the totally false claim that a person's sex is not biological, but psychological.

                          Christians, whom liberals constantly label as "anti-science," have no problem realizing that DNA defines our biological identity but not who we are. Yet modern liberals reject settled science and claim that someone with a woman's DNA can really be biologically male.

                          The reality is that the only time a man is trapped in a woman's body is before he's born. Similarly, a man can no more will himself to be a woman than he can will himself to be Napoleon – a side-effect of this thing called reality.

                          Now, men and women can suffer from gender identity confusion, but while we should strive to help those who think they're something they're not, the right way to do so is not to enable their delusions.

                          ...

                          Like all other groups, the "transgendered" are viewed by liberals in terms of how they can be used to further the expansion of liberal power and control. If liberals really cared about the "transgendered," they'd be helping those suffering from gender identity confusion accept who they truly are. Instead, liberals support the "transgender" cause because it's a direct repudiation of the Judeo-Christian view that men are not gods and that men and women have a biological identity they can't change. Additionally, by supporting the "transgender" cause, liberals attack the Judeo-Christian view that sex is about more than recreation and is intended to be between a man and a woman.


                          http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...sgendered.html

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                          • #28
                            The Cap'n posted....

                            The latest round in liberals' assault on Judeo-Christian morality is their demented desire to normalize insanity – namely that one's sex is merely a matter of what one wants it to be. As usual, their position is based on the totally false claim that a person's sex is not biological, but psychological.
                            Yes, this is the path that modern liberals have taken, that if one thinks one is something other than the physical organism has dictated, that this self image is somehow normal instead of a psychological aberration. One wonders where they will draw the arbitrary lines that they have created as an idea. Is a schizo actually jesus Christ because in his demented psychological state, this is who he thinks he is? I doubt they would accept that, so they must draw an acceptable arbitrary line that appeals to them. And they seem rather obsessed with these sexual psychological aberrations. But other aberrations they do not so easily embrace, so why is that? I think it lies in the fact that religions point out the wrongness of sexual aberrations, and the modern liberal have their own psychological aberration as they revolt against anything that a religion maintains. I guess they are not called loony tunes for naught. I see them as adolescents caught in a developmental stage that they could never move past. A rebellion against what it took humanity thousands of years to come to realize, regressing to a time of ignorance, before we learned by experience what to accept and what to reject.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              The Cap'n posted....
                              Yes, this is the path that modern liberals have taken, that if one thinks one is something other than the physical organism has dictated, that this self image is somehow normal instead of a psychological aberration.One wonders where they will draw the arbitrary lines that they have created as an idea. Is a schizo actually jesus Christ because in his demented psychological state, this is who he thinks he is? I doubt they would accept that, so they must draw an acceptable arbitrary line that appeals to them. And they seem rather obsessed with these sexual psychological aberrations. But other aberrations they do not so easily embrace, so why is that?
                              Because the stimulated penis or clitoris is the God they worship. An idol for sure - don't try to tell THEM that.

                              It's always motivated by an attempt to get rid of God and replace Him with . . ANOTHER God. They'll call their God other things, but those are the God(s) they worship. Their Gods are sex, themselves, "the govt.," "The UNGod (abscence of God .. yes, they worship that. Don't believe me ? Try to tell them God IS)," .. even Satan the devil ! ... many things they worship.

                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              I think it lies in the fact that religions point out the wrongness of sexual aberrations, and the modern liberal have their own psychological aberration as they revolt against anything that a religion maintains. I guess they are not called loony tunes for naught. I see them as adolescents caught in a developmental stage that they could never move past. A rebellion against what it took humanity thousands of years to come to realize, regressing to a time of ignorance, before we learned by experience what to accept and what to reject.
                              That is where this insanity leads us. But as you say; "I doubt they would accept that, so they must draw an acceptable arbitrary line that appeals to them."

                              Still, that line IS arbitrary and can always be pushed and tested and eventually moved. Fifty years ago, would anyone have believed you if you'd have told them that in 2015 "queers can get married in 2015" ? Of course not, they'd have called you a freak.

                              Just like we'd call anyone a freak who suggested that in 50 years you'll be able to marry your sister, mother or a girl 13 or older. Or a young boy or your dad or .. whatever !

                              Humans are, by nature religious. Yet we "want to have our own way" too. As time goes on, we find that we can ignore Gods message and "have our own way." .. and every time it leads to destruction.

                              It is as if we become like adolescents again. We rebel, reality disciplines us, we behave for awhile, we rebel... again and again ....

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                                Pretty sure Good1 started this thread, to talk about this issue. You don't like it, feel free to leave or start some thread on the budget.
                                I'm not sure you have much authority about this since you barged into one of my topics and changed the subject while insulting me needlessly so yeah, double standards ahoy.
                                I just thought I'd help you out by pointing this out.

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