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  • For the past couple I have been reading about Islam. What right wingers don't understand is that there is no way to reform dedicated terrorists The right wing seems determined to Radicalize as many moderate Muslims as possible. Just look at knuckleheads like Franklin Graham out there calling Islam an evil religion.

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    • Originally posted by redrover View Post
      For the past couple I have been reading about Islam. What right wingers don't understand is that there is no way to reform dedicated terrorists The right wing seems determined to Radicalize as many moderate Muslims as possible. Just look at knuckleheads like Franklin Graham out there calling Islam an evil religion.
      He's not even half as bad as the other "knuckleheads" that defend this religion of murder and death.

      These same knot-heads defend a religion practiced by people that would happily slaughter them, then turn around to defend and argue in favor of all "gay rights" issues ! Even though this religion of death is well known for what they do to gays.

      ... yeah, knuckleheads ,...

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      • Originally posted by redrover View Post
        For the past couple I have been reading about Islam. What right wingers don't understand is that there is no way to reform dedicated terrorists The right wing seems determined to Radicalize as many moderate Muslims as possible. Just look at knuckleheads like Franklin Graham out there calling Islam an evil religion.
        Only, Islam is evil.

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        • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
          Only, Islam is evil.
          Some will say that ALL "religion" is evil.

          While ignoring the fact that their atheism is, as practiced, spoken of and defended by them, A RELIGION !!! LOL

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          • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

            Some will say that ALL "religion" is evil.

            While ignoring the fact that their atheism is, as practiced, spoken of and defended by them, A RELIGION !!! LOL
            We've even seen atheists claim that communism doesn't have anything to do with atheism, even as the communist manifesto explicitly supports atheism over belief in a supernatural power, and was the practice of each communist gov't. established in the world.

            Practitioners of atheism should instead throw communists under the ideological bus, noting their betrayal of atheist or agnostic principles like secular humanism. Just as any rational believer in a religion would throw an extremist practitioner from their group, under the same bus. They jumped the fence, went off the ranch, checked out & got lost. Now they are just a pancake on the road to nutjob-land, because we threw them under the bus. Ain't rocket science. Moderates should always win.

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            • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
              We've even seen atheists claim that communism doesn't have anything to do with atheism, even as the communist manifesto explicitly supports atheism over belief in a supernatural power, and was the practice of each communist gov't. established in the world.

              Practitioners of atheism should instead throw communists under the ideological bus, noting their betrayal of atheist or agnostic principles like secular humanism. Just as any rational believer in a religion would throw an extremist practitioner from their group, under the same bus. They jumped the fence, went off the ranch, checked out & got lost. Now they are just a pancake on the road to nutjob-land, because we threw them under the bus. Ain't rocket science. Moderates should always win.
              I don't think God is a moderate and he will win.

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              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                I don't think God is a moderate and he will win.
                Free will removes the contradiction of a deity creating a being whose affairs must be micro-managed. In this case, it is up to people of a given belief to do both: Work with others who share their beliefs, and throw hypocrites under the ideological bus. If people pretend to let their deity or belief system correct all their defects, they betray the proven capacity to exercise their free will in a positive manner. When we are capable, we are obligated to cleanse the worst behaviors within groups who share our beliefs.

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                • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                  I don't think God is a moderate and he will win.
                  What is a moderate ?

                  When

                  Yesterdays "moderate" is today's "radical."

                  ... today's moderate is tomorrows radical.

                  The word is meaningless, it changes with the winds of humanities current moods - and we're very moody.

                  God isn't a moderate, a radical, a leftist or a "republican."

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                  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                    What is a moderate ?

                    When

                    Yesterdays "moderate" is today's "radical."

                    ... today's moderate is tomorrows radical.

                    The word is meaningless, it changes with the winds of humanities current moods - and we're very moody.

                    God isn't a moderate, a radical, a leftist or a "republican."
                    God is pretty much an absolutist. Nothing wishy washy there. There are moral absolutes and no moral relativism. No situational ethics that define a moderate.

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                    • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                      God is pretty much an absolutist. Nothing wishy washy there. There are moral absolutes and no moral relativism. No situational ethics that define a moderate.
                      Wrong again. If you look at world history over the past three thousand years you would realize that there are no absolute moral values. It should be noted that unlike the Jewish Christian bible the Koran does not sanction the murder of women and children. The nice thing about both religions. If your interests are served by showing tolerance to other peoples you can find scriptural support and conversely if you think your interests are best served by hostility you can find it in the good books.Mohamad recognized the god worshiped by Jews and Christians is the same god worshiped by Muslims.

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                      • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                        God is pretty much an absolutist. Nothing wishy washy there. There are moral absolutes and no moral relativism. No situational ethics that define a moderate.
                        People are mere mortals. We are responsible for purging extremists within our groups, when they violate our beliefs and place us in danger.

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                        • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          God is pretty much an absolutist. Nothing wishy washy there. There are moral absolutes and no moral relativism. No situational ethics that define a moderate.
                          Yet there is a small, but loud movement that wants God to follow human "moderation" - as currently defined.

                          As I said earlier about moderation; "The word is meaningless, it changes with the winds of humanities current moods - and we're very moody."

                          The fantasy that God will follow our wishes, our "moderation" has always been with us.

                          In our judgement, we "know best." .. some of us like to think...


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                          Why is it that people who don't believe the Bible to be the final authority on morality – some of those in Hollywood, for example – feel the need to point out to people who do believe it how their theology is wrong?

                          ...

                          .. the favorite Bible verse of those who don't believe the Bible is Matthew 7:1 where Jesus says: "Judge not, that you be not judged." As with most verses in the Scripture, it's helpful to read the "before and after" so that the meaning is in proper context.

                          Read in context, it is clear in this verse that Jesus is warning against self-righteousness and hypocrisy. He is not preaching sexual freedom. But in popular culture, what happens to this idea of not judging is that whenever a Christian points out that a certain behavior is immoral or sinful according to the Bible, then that person or group of people is immediately attacked by those who don't believe the Bible and called "self-righteous" or "religious fanatics."

                          And who isn't against self-righteousness? It's one of the most off-putting personality traits someone can have. People who practice self-righteousness or display a "holier than thou" attitude usually don't have many friends. But it is ironic that people who do not believe the Bible to be the final authority on morality feel the need to point out to people who do how their theology is wrong.

                          In fact, some of those folks are reading this now and are about to post a message against Tim Wildmon for being a self-righteous man who tries to tell other people how to live. These folks, of course, will be passing judgment on me declaring that I should not be passing judgment when really I haven't passed any judgment at all in this particular column. I have only written about the issue of passing judgment.

                          If you think about it, it's really not judging that people have a problem with – it's judging negatively. For example, no one gets upset when someone says something complimentary about another's behavior, even though by doing so they have passed judgment. But it's a judgment of affirmation. No, it's only when they say something of disapproval that the offended party then comes back with "Quit judging me!"

                          The truth is that the Bible, including the teachings of Jesus, is full of judgment. It tells us what is good and what is evil. It tells us what is right and what is wrong. It tells us what is moral and what is immoral. It tells us what to practice and what to shun. If you don't want to be accountable for your life and your behavior, it's best to avoid the Bible – and many do so for that very reason.

                          Every day the goal of Christians should be to obey and live out what the Bible teaches, both inwardly and outwardly. Sometimes we will fail because, as long as we are here on earth, we have to contend with the war between the spirit and the flesh. It is unnatural to deny the flesh, so by the grace of God we have to discipline ourselves to submit to God's will. It's also called self-control. This is a day-to-day process. This is also why humility is so important. Humility is the opposite of arrogance or self-righteousness, which brings us back to judging. We are all capable of doing bad things, sometimes very bad things. For that reason, we should be careful not to think too highly of ourselves and pray – lest we also fall into sin ourselves.

                          Micah 6:8 says: "He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."


                          https://www.onenewsnow.com/perspecti...os-judging-now

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                          • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                            Yet there is a small, but loud movement that wants God to follow human "moderation" - as currently defined.

                            As I said earlier about moderation; "The word is meaningless, it changes with the winds of humanities current moods - and we're very moody."

                            The fantasy that God will follow our wishes, our "moderation" has always been with us.

                            In our judgement, we "know best." .. some of us like to think...


                            ------------------------------

                            Why is it that people who don't believe the Bible to be the final authority on morality – some of those in Hollywood, for example – feel the need to point out to people who do believe it how their theology is wrong?

                            ...

                            .. the favorite Bible verse of those who don't believe the Bible is Matthew 7:1 where Jesus says: "Judge not, that you be not judged." As with most verses in the Scripture, it's helpful to read the "before and after" so that the meaning is in proper context.

                            Read in context, it is clear in this verse that Jesus is warning against self-righteousness and hypocrisy. He is not preaching sexual freedom. But in popular culture, what happens to this idea of not judging is that whenever a Christian points out that a certain behavior is immoral or sinful according to the Bible, then that person or group of people is immediately attacked by those who don't believe the Bible and called "self-righteous" or "religious fanatics."

                            And who isn't against self-righteousness? It's one of the most off-putting personality traits someone can have. People who practice self-righteousness or display a "holier than thou" attitude usually don't have many friends. But it is ironic that people who do not believe the Bible to be the final authority on morality feel the need to point out to people who do how their theology is wrong.

                            In fact, some of those folks are reading this now and are about to post a message against Tim Wildmon for being a self-righteous man who tries to tell other people how to live. These folks, of course, will be passing judgment on me declaring that I should not be passing judgment when really I haven't passed any judgment at all in this particular column. I have only written about the issue of passing judgment.

                            If you think about it, it's really not judging that people have a problem with – it's judging negatively. For example, no one gets upset when someone says something complimentary about another's behavior, even though by doing so they have passed judgment. But it's a judgment of affirmation. No, it's only when they say something of disapproval that the offended party then comes back with "Quit judging me!"

                            The truth is that the Bible, including the teachings of Jesus, is full of judgment. It tells us what is good and what is evil. It tells us what is right and what is wrong. It tells us what is moral and what is immoral. It tells us what to practice and what to shun. If you don't want to be accountable for your life and your behavior, it's best to avoid the Bible – and many do so for that very reason.

                            Every day the goal of Christians should be to obey and live out what the Bible teaches, both inwardly and outwardly. Sometimes we will fail because, as long as we are here on earth, we have to contend with the war between the spirit and the flesh. It is unnatural to deny the flesh, so by the grace of God we have to discipline ourselves to submit to God's will. It's also called self-control. This is a day-to-day process. This is also why humility is so important. Humility is the opposite of arrogance or self-righteousness, which brings us back to judging. We are all capable of doing bad things, sometimes very bad things. For that reason, we should be careful not to think too highly of ourselves and pray – lest we also fall into sin ourselves.

                            Micah 6:8 says: "He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God."


                            https://www.onenewsnow.com/perspecti...os-judging-now
                            We know what the bible says but nobody knows what Jesus said. All the stuff attributed to him was written down 70 years after his death. In other words it's probably fake good news.That doesn't men the bible has no value and many good people try to live by it.

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                            • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                              We know what the bible says but nobody knows what Jesus said. All the stuff attributed to him was written down 70 years after his death. In other words it's probably fake good news.That doesn't men the bible has no value and many good people try to live by it.
                              Did you ever hear the term "The Inspired Word of God?"

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                              • We can't know the exact dates when these words were recorded. Because of that, doesn't mean they aren't real.

                                We do know some things. The book of Acts describes the apostles giving themselves to “the ministry of the Word

                                (Acts 6:4), "But we will give ourselves continually to prayer and the ministry of the Word.”

                                .... they began to write the teachings of Jesus within the first year after His crucifixion in 30 AD.

                                And because of the numbers of new believers (Acts 2-5), it was necessary for the apostles to write down Jesus’ words of the New Covenant before the Passover of 31 AD (Matt. 26:17-30; John 13-17).

                                Not that any of this will matter to people who wish to reject Gods word of course.

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