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  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

    I don't remember Ann offering that as a viable solution, or is that another of your own creations ?

    Now the Jehovahs witness idea, I like it I have to admit. I think that would fall under cruel and unusual or something though. They would just be slaughtered over there, or hadn't you heard ? It's a pretty popular thing to do over in many middle eastern countries to kill Christians and I don't think it would matter how "on fire" for the lord they were, they'd be killed.

    So, ... we're probably just going to have to put up with these guys coming to our door to "talk." LOL
    Don't blame me. Ann Coulter said it in her September 14 2001 column. Ann Coulter's controversial statement in her column that "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity". Of course back then lots of people were saying stupid things.

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    • Originally posted by redrover View Post
      Don't blame me. Ann Coulter said it in her September 14 2001 column. Ann Coulter's controversial statement in her column that "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity". Of course back then lots of people were saying stupid things.
      Maybe you could find where she said that, and show us the complete context of that statement you say she made ?

      Or is this another rover creation ?

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      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

        Maybe you could find where she said that, and show us the complete context of that statement you say she made ?

        Or is this another rover creation ?
        http://www.fampeople.com/cat-ann-coulter_7
        Her is a link that gives the context and the reaction that followed soon after. http://www.fampeople.com/cat-ann-coulter_7

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        • Originally posted by redrover View Post
          http://www.fampeople.com/cat-ann-coulter_7
          Her is a link that gives the context and the reaction that followed soon after. http://www.fampeople.com/cat-ann-coulter_7
          Alright, we have something.

          This comment was made after America was hit by some happy Islamic believers, who wanted to get our attention, and they did !

          Let's break it down:

          "Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers."

          [ true ]

          It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.

          [ true again ]

          We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.

          [ In this context, she's talking about what strict followers of Islam WANT TO DO TO US ! "..kill our leaders and convert US to Islam." That's not how we operate, and she's underscoring the difference, so we can't miss it. YOU DID ]

          We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

          [ We are at war. That we don't allow ourselves to WIN wars today, is at our own expense. ]

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          On September 14, 2001, three days after the 9-11 attacks (in which her friend Barbara Olson had been killed), Coulter wrote in her column: Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

          http://www.fampeople.com/cat-ann-coulter_7

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          • What's all the fuss with "carpet bombing"? That's so old-fashioned. Modern nations can send in special operation groups, and kill the leaders without slaughtering masses of regular troops and civilians like we did in the bad old days. Which reminds me -what did Ann Coulter say about the Pakistani compound raid that killed Osama bin Laden? Lots of good things, I'm sure.

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            • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
              What's all the fuss with "carpet bombing"? That's so old-fashioned. Modern nations can send in special operation groups, and kill the leaders without slaughtering masses of regular troops and civilians like we did in the bad old days. Which reminds me -what did Ann Coulter say about the Pakistani compound raid that killed Osama bin Laden? Lots of good things, I'm sure.
              Who knows, she's always an entertaining read. You have to know when to take her seriously - which is only occasionally LOL

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              • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                Who knows, she's always an entertaining read. You have to know when to take her seriously - which is only occasionally LOL
                Some people find the Three Stooges entertaining.

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                • Islam is not compatible with modern western civilization.

                  It just isn't.

                  We can fantasize about 'tolerance' and being 'inclusive' all we want, it doesn't matter. It won't change the fact that Islam is not compatible with modern western civilization.

                  From the below article explaining why, we find;

                  "..a Muslim demonstrator in Dearborn, Michigan, holding a sign stating: We will use the freedoms of the Constitution to destroy the Constitution! Thats the game plan. You see, Sharia law is in direct conflict with the Bill or Rights.""

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                  Here are 10 questions about the compatibility of Islam in America.

                  ....Tolerance is a fundamental American value. That is the polar opposite of Islam. When Muslims are not in a position of authority, they naturally call for tolerance and cooperation. But one only has to look at Muslim societies to understand how far that goes. How many Christian churches are there in Saudi Arabia?

                  ....a former Muslim who now lives in Germany. He understands the prophet Muhammads famous quote, 'War is deceit.' Lying is permitted to deceive an "enemy." The Quran defines the 'enemy' as "disbelievers." There is no way to cover up the meaning of that.

                  If any more proof of the danger of Islam to our society and culture is needed, look no further than the downward spiral of Europe. Growing problems caused by Muslims in France, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Sweden and Britain continue to be well documented.


                  Britain has recently released from prison Anjem Choudary, described as the most dangerous Islamic preacher in the UK. Among other pronouncements, he says, When Sharia law is implemented, maybe in 10 or 15 years time, (the Queen] would be expected like all women in Britain to be covered from head to toe, only revealing her face and hands.

                  Will Muslim immigrants assimilate? In 1991, James Walsh, former Associate General Counsel of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service said,
                  Immigrants devoted to their own cultures and religions are not influenced by the secular politically correct faade that dominates academia, news-media, entertainment, education, religious and political thinking today. They claim the right not to assimilate . . . Such immigrants say their traditions trump the U.S. legal system.
                  let the Muslims speak for themselves. Linda Sarsour, a leading Muslim activist, told the North American Islamic Society last year,
                  I hope that when we stand up to those who oppress our community struggling against tyrants and rulers that Allah will accept this as a form of jihad not only in the Middle East but here against the fascists, white supremacists and Islamophobes here and reigning in the White House. Our top priority is to protect and defend our community and not to assimilate and please any other people or authority. Our top priority is to please Allah and only Allah.
                  The Religion of Peace website counts 34,034 Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide since September 11, 2001.

                  Can Islam be reformed? A titular reform Islam movement in the US led by Zuhdi Jasser, a second-generation Syrian doctor who practices in Phoenix, says yes. But others do not believe that Islam is reformable. Muslims have attempted to reform Islam for 1400 years and have always failed. In Indonesia last month, a rally to promote moderate Islam was cancelled after threats of violence from hardliners. Leaders of such movements have been beheaded for apostasy. Jihad and Sharia are foundational principles of Islam. No mincing of words will change that. Lying, deception and terror as basic Islamic tools to maintain control provide a platform no reformer could possibly build on.



                  In its current form, with the explicit goal of a global caliphate under Sharia, Islam must be regarded as an existential threat. Specific ways are needed to deal with an ideology that openly seeks to destroy Western Civilization.

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                  https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._america_.html

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                  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                    Islam is not compatible with modern western civilization.

                    It just isn't.

                    We can fantasize about 'tolerance' and being 'inclusive' all we want, it doesn't matter. It won't change the fact that Islam is not compatible with modern western civilization.

                    From the below article explaining why, we find;

                    "..a Muslim demonstrator in Dearborn, Michigan, holding a sign stating: We will use the freedoms of the Constitution to destroy the Constitution! Thats the game plan. You see, Sharia law is in direct conflict with the Bill or Rights.""

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                    Here are 10 questions about the compatibility of Islam in America.

                    ....Tolerance is a fundamental American value. That is the polar opposite of Islam. When Muslims are not in a position of authority, they naturally call for tolerance and cooperation. But one only has to look at Muslim societies to understand how far that goes. How many Christian churches are there in Saudi Arabia?

                    ....a former Muslim who now lives in Germany. He understands the prophet Muhammads famous quote, 'War is deceit.' Lying is permitted to deceive an "enemy." The Quran defines the 'enemy' as "disbelievers." There is no way to cover up the meaning of that.

                    If any more proof of the danger of Islam to our society and culture is needed, look no further than the downward spiral of Europe. Growing problems caused by Muslims in France, Italy, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Sweden and Britain continue to be well documented.


                    Britain has recently released from prison Anjem Choudary, described as the most dangerous Islamic preacher in the UK. Among other pronouncements, he says, When Sharia law is implemented, maybe in 10 or 15 years time, (the Queen] would be expected like all women in Britain to be covered from head to toe, only revealing her face and hands.

                    Will Muslim immigrants assimilate? In 1991, James Walsh, former Associate General Counsel of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service said,
                    Immigrants devoted to their own cultures and religions are not influenced by the secular politically correct faade that dominates academia, news-media, entertainment, education, religious and political thinking today. They claim the right not to assimilate . . . Such immigrants say their traditions trump the U.S. legal system.
                    let the Muslims speak for themselves. Linda Sarsour, a leading Muslim activist, told the North American Islamic Society last year,
                    I hope that when we stand up to those who oppress our community struggling against tyrants and rulers that Allah will accept this as a form of jihad not only in the Middle East but here against the fascists, white supremacists and Islamophobes here and reigning in the White House. Our top priority is to protect and defend our community and not to assimilate and please any other people or authority. Our top priority is to please Allah and only Allah.
                    The Religion of Peace website counts 34,034 Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide since September 11, 2001.

                    Can Islam be reformed? A titular reform Islam movement in the US led by Zuhdi Jasser, a second-generation Syrian doctor who practices in Phoenix, says yes. But others do not believe that Islam is reformable. Muslims have attempted to reform Islam for 1400 years and have always failed. In Indonesia last month, a rally to promote moderate Islam was cancelled after threats of violence from hardliners. Leaders of such movements have been beheaded for apostasy. Jihad and Sharia are foundational principles of Islam. No mincing of words will change that. Lying, deception and terror as basic Islamic tools to maintain control provide a platform no reformer could possibly build on.



                    In its current form, with the explicit goal of a global caliphate under Sharia, Islam must be regarded as an existential threat. Specific ways are needed to deal with an ideology that openly seeks to destroy Western Civilization.

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                    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._america_.html
                    You wouldn't know this but back in the seventh century Islam, Judaism and Christianity coexisted quite well the common enemy was polytheism. Muslims had no beef with other peoples of the book.

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                    • The Book of Genesis pretty much predicts Muslims will not get along with anyone.

                      Originally posted by Genesis 16:12
                      He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
                      that prophecy was specifically about Ishmael, progenitor of the Arabs who was half brother to Isaac, the progenitor of the Jews.

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