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  • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    So we have a guy who kills 49 people in a mosque who has a manifesto filled with right wing talking points and claiming his inspiration is other mass murderers who killed Muslims and Trump and from all the available information you've come to the conclusion he's a leftist radical.

    Really?
    Maybe you and Rover can take a reading class together. Read carefully;


    He probably IS a leftist radical.

    However the "media' will forever lie and present him as a "white nationalist" who was "motivated by president Trump."

    Truth is very challenging for these media people.

    ... and our friend rover...

    but...

    Here's what we're finding....

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    The primary suspect in the massacre Friday of 49 people at two mosques in New Zealand named a prominent British fascist leader who was allied with Italys Benito Mussolini in the 1930s as the historical political figure with whom he most identified.

    The suspect, 28-year-old Australian Brenton Tarrant, published a 74-page manifesto before killing 49 people and injuring another 20 at the Christchurch mosques.

    Tarrant wrote that Sir Oswald Mosley is the person from history closest to my own beliefs.

    Describing himself as a racist, Tarrant states hes not a conservative and could be labeled a socialist, depending on the definition.

    Mosely, who was photographed with Mussolini on a visit to Italy in 1936, was the leader of the British Union of Fascists in the 1930s after serving as a member of Parliament.

    Already, Democratic leaders, including Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, are casting blame on President Trump for the attacks.

    In his manifesto, Tarrant describes his political ideology in a Q&A format. In summary, he says he could be described, depending on the definition, as right wing as well as left wing, and a socialist.

    He says explicitly he is not a conservative, saying conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.

    To the question of whether or not he is a Christian, he writes, That is complicated.

    Tarrant says hes an actual fascist.


    I am sure the journalists will love that, he says, adding he considers himself an Eco-fascist by nature.

    Tarrant also declares that the nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the Peoples Republic of China.

    He poses the question of whether he is or was a homophobe.

    No, I simply do not care all that much what gay people do, he writes. As long as they are loyal to their people and place their peoples well being first, then I have no issues.



    https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/mosque-k...cat_orig=world

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    It gets even better ....

    .........


    On the one hand, the manifesto presents the political left as an enemy that conducted a march through the institutions and describes Antifa, communists, and Marxists as anti-white scum. Elsewhere, the shooter writes that under some definitions, he is both on the right and the left.

    Elsewhere, the shooter disparages conservatism and declines to identify with it, writing that conservatism is dead, thank god, and calling it corporatism in disguise. Conservatives, he says, dont even believe in the race, they dont have the gall to say race exists and dont even care if it does.

    The notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social responsibilities.

    Parts of the manifesto appear to be insincere trolling, aimed at sowing confusion about his motivations. At one point, the shooter blames his action on popular video game titles, saying Spyro the Dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism and that Fortnite trained me to be a killer.

    Elsewhere in the document, the shooter identifies black conservative Candace Owens obviously neither a white nationalist nor a supporter of violence as the person that has influenced me above all. In a video posted online, the shooter also tells viewers to subscribe to PewDiePie the pseudonym of Felix Kjellberg, a comedian and video game streamer who runs the most-subscribed channel on YouTube and whose content is majority non-political.

    In both cases, the shooter attempts to link high-profile individuals who have little in common with his stated ideology yet command large online followings and are frequently the target of unfair media hit pieces to his attack. If it triggers a war of words between the media and their frequent targets, the result of this tactic would be more publicity for the shooter.

    At three points in his manifesto, the shooter also states his intention to spark a civil war in the United States by triggering crackdowns on the Second Amendment. In his laundry list of motivations, the shooter spends the most amount of time discussing this goal, which he believes will ultimately lead to a fracturing of the U.S. along cultural and racial lines.


    As he describes it, his attack will Create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political, and racial divide within the United States.

    This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will eventually result in a civil war that will Balkanize the U.S. along political, cultural, and most importantly racial lines.

    Elsewhere in the manifesto, the shooter predicts that his attack will lead to calls for the removal of gun rights from whites in the United States that is the plan all along.

    While the shooter lists a number of highly lethal methods he might have used to carry out the act of terrorism, he states that he chose firearms for the effect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the effect it would have on the politics of the United States and thereby the political situation of the world.

    With enough pressure the left wing within the United States will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the U.S. will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. The attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the U.S. along cultural and racial lines.



    https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...ead-thank-god/


    "....the shooter spends the most amount of time discussing this goal, which he believes will ultimately lead to a fracturing of the U.S. along "cultural and racial lines."

    Which is what the left has been doing for awhile !!

    In otherwords, we have another creep who hates America surprise surprise, and he's made a mass murderer of himself.

    Another violent nut who hates America, willing to kill for hate....... it does get old doesn't it ?

    Then we have to watch the retards in the "
    media" lie to the entire world about it !!


    Link to original post if you need... https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...982#post560982

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    • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
      So we have a guy who kills 49 people in a mosque who has a manifesto filled with right wing talking points and claiming his inspiration is other mass murderers who killed Muslims and Trump and from all the available information you've come to the conclusion he's a leftist radical.

      Really?
      Leftist radical? Maybe you should read more about this guy.His rhetoric sounds a lot like your anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim posts. I just heard that unlike you this guy wasn't on any terrorist watch-lisst

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      • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
        So we have a guy who kills 49 people in a mosque who has a manifesto filled with right wing talking points and claiming his inspiration is other mass murderers who killed Muslims and Trump and from all the available information you've come to the conclusion he's a leftist radical.

        Really?
        Not sure if the New Zealand shooter can be characterized as conservative or a White Nationalist.


        Mosque killer: I'm a socialist 'eco-fascist' - WND
        https://www.wnd.com/2019/.../mosque-...n-the-definiti...
        19 hours ago - Describing himself as a racist, Tarrant state's he's not a conservative and could be labeled a socialist, depending on the definition. Mosely ...
        "conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it." he states in his manifesto.

        But I realize that the left's most favorite thing is to blame cast everything on everyone else, especially non-leftists at every opportunity possible, whether irrational or down right fabrications or not.

        It has also been reported that one of his motivations for this shooting was to incite a race war and / or political division within the US. We can see this taking root already (never takes the left long, does it?)

        Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut casting blame on President Trump for the attacks for example.

        Rather than blame casting 'he's one of yours', I think it fair to say that he's no political party's, but rather far off on his own.

        ?


        • If you carefully read what is written, and what the man wrote and said,....

          ..... in posts # 239 and # 241

          If you read, you can come to your own "conclusions."

          BUT, it's very difficult, without hard left bias confirmation, to conclude that he is a hard "right winger."

          I will be happy to conclude that he is a dangerous idiot, PROBABLY ( as I stated at the beginning of the above mentioned posts ) of the leftist variety ( based on what he says and writes), but right, left or from one of Jupiters moons, it doesn't matter.

          He represents NO serious, civilized political views.

          That the imbeciles in the media immediately want to cast this nut as a right winger, is only another crack-brained attempt to rabble rouse hate for Americas current president. It's ridiculous and silly.

          Here are some important writings, facts and statements we currently know about this fellow...

          Name; 28-year-old Australian Brenton Tarrant

          He "published a 74-page manifesto"

          He "wrote that Sir Oswald Mosley is the person from history closest to my own beliefs."

          Fact; Mosely, was photographed with Mussolini on a visit to Italy in 1936, he was the leader of the British Union of Fascists in the 1930s after serving as a member of Parliament.

          Brenton Tarrant says he could be described, depending on the definition, as right wing as well as left wing, and a socialist.

          He says explicitly he is not a conservative, saying conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.

          He says hes an actual fascist.

          He considers himself an Eco-fascist by nature.

          He declares that the nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the Peoples Republic of China.

          He presents the political left as an enemy that conducted a march through the institutions and describes Antifa, communists, and Marxists as anti-white scum.

          He disparages conservatism and declines to identify with it, writing that conservatism is dead, thank god

          He attempts to link high-profile individuals who have little in common with his stated ideology yet command large online followings and are frequently the target of unfair media hit pieces to his attack. If it triggers a war of words between the media and their frequent targets, the result of this tactic would be more publicity for the shooter.

          He At three points in his manifesto, ..states his intention to spark a civil war in the United States

          .. a rabble rouser who wants to incite more hate and violence like his own.

          He predicts that his attack will lead to calls for the removal of gun rights from whites in the United States that is the plan all along.

          He states that he chose firearms for the effect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the effect it would have on the politics of the United States and thereby the political situation of the world.

          He says; "With enough pressure the left wing within the United States will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the U.S. will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. The attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the U.S. along cultural and racial lines."

          Does he sound like a hard right winger ?

          Does he sound like a hard left winger ?

          He spends the most amount of time discussing this goal, which he believes will ultimately lead to a fracturing of the U.S. along "cultural and racial lines."

          Which, as I previously stated; "is what the left has been doing for awhile !!"

          We all can "conclude" whatever we wish about this nitwit and all be incorrect.

          The man is a nut, THAT is safe to conclude is it not ?

          ?


          • While I'm not trying to claim this guy speaks for conservatives in any way shape or form to try and claim he isn't a racist right winger is to completely ignore the evidence of his manifesto and the fact he urged more violence against Muslims like the Mayor of London.

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            • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
              While I'm not trying to claim this guy speaks for conservatives in any way shape or form to try and claim he isn't a racist right winger is to completely ignore the evidence of his manifesto and the fact he urged more violence against Muslims like the Mayor of London.
              I agree.

              The man is clearly a nut case.

              It is too bad he was able to get away with it.

              I was just reading an article about churches of all faiths, starting to arm themselves and take more security measures.

              That is too bad I think. People want a safe place to worship, NOT a place where they have to fear they'll be the target practice of some random nut.

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              • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                I agree.

                The man is clearly a nut case.

                It is too bad he was able to get away with it.

                I was just reading an article about churches of all faiths, starting to arm themselves and take more security measures.

                That is too bad I think. People want a safe place to worship, NOT a place where they have to fear they'll be the target practice of some random nut.
                I am sure everyone at your church is armed to the teeth.

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                • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                  I am sure everyone at your church is armed to the teeth.
                  I wouldn't know, as I don't do an arms check at the doors of the church.

                  But you can believe as you wish, whatever the case may be LOL No one cares.

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                  • Back to the original topic.

                    That being reforming Islam.

                    Or, recognizing it for what it is and acting accordingly..

                    Islam was attacking us a long time ago. We still don't get it.

                    So, they kill us.

                    Still, 233 years later.

                    We must be a little ... or a lot slow..

                    Islam will NEVER be "reformed" !

                    Islam will "reform" US !

                    Or kill us.

                    They're not afraid of us, they don't 'respect" us and they've made their goals very clear.


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                    ...in 1785, Muslim pirates from North Africa, or Barbary, had captured two American ships, the Maria and Dauphin, and enslaved their crews.

                    In an effort to ransom the enslaved Americans and establish peaceful relations, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams -- then ambassadors to France and England respectively -- met with Tripolis ambassador to Britain, Abdul Rahman Adja. Following this diplomatic exchange, they laid out the source of the Barbary States hitherto inexplicable animosity to American vessels in a letter to Congress dated March 28, 1786:

                    We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the grounds of their [Barbarys] pretentions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation.

                    The ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise

                    Suffice to say, because the ransom demanded was over fifteen times greater than what Congress had approved, little came of the meeting.

                    ...centuries before setting their sights on American vessels, the Barbary States of Muslim North Africa -- specifically Tripoli, Algiers, Tunis -- had been thriving on the slave trade of Christians abducted from virtually every corner of coastal Europe -- including Britain, Ireland, Denmark, and Iceland. These raids were so successful that, between 1530 and 1780 there were almost certainly a million and quite possibly as many as a million and a quarter white, European Christians enslaved by the Muslims of the Barbary Coast, to quote American historian Robert Davis.

                    Some American congressmen agreed with Jefferson that it will be more easy to raise ships and men to fight these pirates into reason, than money to bribe them -- including General George Washington: In such an enlightened, in such a liberal age, how is it possible that the great maritime powers of Europe should submit to pay an annual tribute to the little piratical States of Barbary? he wrote to a friend. Would to Heaven we had a navy able to reform those enemies to mankind, or crush them into nonexistence.

                    But the majority of Congress agreed with John Adams: We ought not to fight them at all unless we determine to fight them forever.

                    Considering the perpetual, existential nature of Islamic hostility, Adams may have been more right than he knew.


                    ...Thus and despite the (rather ignorant) question that became popular after 9/11, Why do they hate us? -- a question that was answered to Jefferson and Adams 233 years ago today

                    -- the United States first war and victory as a nation was against Muslims, and the latter had initiated hostilities on the same rationale Muslims had used to initiate hostilities against non-Muslims for the preceding 1,200 years.


                    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti..._at_jihad.html

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                    • These are the people we're enriching by buying their oil.

                      These followers of Islam, this is how they treat homosexual people.

                      This is how they treat people who speak out against their "government."

                      This is how they treat people who are accused of sorcery or witchcraft.

                      This is how they treat people who are mentally ill.

                      This is how they treat people who are caught using drugs.

                      Public murder for these things is a common practice in these cultures.

                      We think it's a good idea to bring people from such brutal societies into ours ?

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                      Saudi Arabias Medieval executions including for sorcerers, homosexuals and the mentally ill DOUBLE in the last ten years totalling 1,100

                      THE number of sick executions in Saudi Arabia has DOUBLED in recent years - with people beheaded for bizarre reasons including sorcery and for simply being gay.

                      Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salmans bloodthirsty regime is once again being scrutinised after 37 men were killed in one day this week.


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                      The bodies of five Yemeni men beheaded in Saudi Arabia are left hanging after their heads were re-attached

                      Two of the prisoners were aged 16 and 17 when they were convicted while another man's body was impaled on a pole in public as a terrifying warning to others.

                      Outwardly, the Crown Prince insists he wants to modernise his medieval kingdom yet still allows crucified bodies to hang in the streets of capital Riyadh.

                      His ruthless government has presided over a brutal crackdown on drug users and on the Shiite minority who are often accused of being terrorists or Iranian spies if they speak out against the regime.

                      The average number of people executed in the country has risen from an average of 71 between 2009 and 2014 to 142 between 2015 and now.

                      Over that period a total of 1,137 have been officially killed by the state - although the exact number be higher- which includes people who are mentally handicapped, according to Amnesty International.

                      Women executed publicly in Riyadhs infamous chop chop square are sometimes branded witches and convicted of sorcery.

                      In 2011, Amina bin Salem Nasser was executed for practising witchcraft in the northern province of Jawf while another woman the following year was killed because she wore a talisman a necklace believed to hold magical powers.

                      A few months before Nasser was beheaded, a Sudanese man was executed in a car park in Medina for allegedly practising black magic.

                      Executions for drug offences have risen dramatically from just four per cent in 2011 to 47 per cent in 2015 and the majority of those killed are foreign nationals.

                      Dr Paul Stott, Middle East expert at the Henry Jackson Society think tank, said convicted foreigners in Saudi are usually low paid workers who do not have the resources to fight the charges.

                      He told The Sun Online: The regime has decided to crackdown on drug crime and just under half of those executed are foreign nationals who are underpaid workers who can't influence the judicial system.

                      These are people who don't have important relatives or friends - whose governments aren't going to campaign hard for them.

                      The backward country also executes men and women for engaging in homosexual activity although it does release any official figures about how many gay people it beheads every year.

                      In 2009, a man named Ahmed bin Adhaib bin Askar al-Shamlani al-Anzi was executed for a number of charges including homosexual intercourse" and possesion of pornography.

                      He had his head removed in front of a baying crowd in Riyadh before his body was crucified and put on display.

                      This weeks mass execution appears to be a direct attack on the Shiite Muslim minority which makes up around 20 per cent of the population in the Sunni-dominated country.

                      In 2016, the regime executed 47 men in one day many of whom were from the troubled Eastern Province where the majority of the Shiites live.

                      Dr Stott said that Saudis paranoia about regional rival Iran, which is Shiite majority, is directly linked to these ruthless purges.

                      He said: During the 2016 mass executions, one of the main Shiite leaders was executed in the Eastern Province.

                      It's an area which the central government tries to keep very strict control over because of the oil in that area.

                      Saudi's paranoia about Iran is such that whether there is actual contact between Iran and Shiite clerics in that area or not, they just appear to work on the principle that there is.


                      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/894686...exuals-double/

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                      • You know if the US actually bothered investing in renewable's you could start cutting the amount of oil you need to buy.

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                        • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                          You know if the US actually bothered investing in renewable's you could start cutting the amount of oil you need to buy.
                          Actually, since the federal policy's changed, the US is a net energy exporter, so within less than 2 years, the US has gone from an energy net importer to an energy net exporter. Something that previous administrations were always saying either couldn't be done, or would take decades to achieve. Yeah, yet another egg on face for the political elite.

                          As far as the environmental / ecomentalist concerns: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling.
                          Oh well, yet another political elite hoax falls. Kinda starting to smile about that.

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                          • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                            You know if the US actually bothered investing in renewable's you could start cutting the amount of oil you need to buy.
                            We could go bankrupt, too;
                            $bln Quads
                            Subsidies Produced $/MMBtu
                            Coal $1.08 20 $0.05
                            Petroleum/NG $2.35 44.1 $0.05
                            Nuclear $1.66 8.2 $0.20
                            Renewable electricity $13.20 9.3 $1.42
                            Solar $5.30 0.305 $17.38
                            Wind $5.90 1.6 $3.69

                            For those with weak math skills, the table is recalculated below to show the relative subsidies compared to those for oil and natural gas (set equal to 1). This will be no surprise to many analysts, but it will no doubt shock renewable power advocates to realize the magnitudes involved, including the fact that wind is a much better buy than solar. The reason is that most solar subsidies go to residential installations, while wind is usually industrial scale and thus more efficient. But efficiency has never been very relevant to the renewable power sector. (The much lower figure for total renewable electricity subsidies reflects the impact of hydroelectric power, which receives almost no support but is a major source of energy.)
                            Relative
                            Subsidies
                            Coal 1
                            Petroleum/NG 1
                            Nuclear 4
                            Renewable electricity 27
                            Solar 326
                            Wind 69
                            https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#52547b031cbf

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                            • Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                              Actually, since the federal policy's changed, the US is a net energy exporter, so within less than 2 years, the US has gone from an energy net importer to an energy net exporter. Something that previous administrations were always saying either couldn't be done, or would take decades to achieve. Yeah, yet another egg on face for the political elite.

                              As far as the environmental / ecomentalist concerns: Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling.
                              Oh well, yet another political elite hoax falls. Kinda starting to smile about that.
                              It most definitely is cooling.

                              Enough so, that I'm wishing Al Gore and his crazy maker hysterics were TRUE !!

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                              • Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post

                                We could go bankrupt, too;
                                $bln Quads
                                Subsidies Produced $/MMBtu
                                Coal $1.08 20 $0.05
                                Petroleum/NG $2.35 44.1 $0.05
                                Nuclear $1.66 8.2 $0.20
                                Renewable electricity $13.20 9.3 $1.42
                                Solar $5.30 0.305 $17.38
                                Wind $5.90 1.6 $3.69

                                For those with weak math skills, the table is recalculated below to show the relative subsidies compared to those for oil and natural gas (set equal to 1). This will be no surprise to many analysts, but it will no doubt shock renewable power advocates to realize the magnitudes involved, including the fact that wind is a much better buy than solar. The reason is that most solar subsidies go to residential installations, while wind is usually industrial scale and thus more efficient. But efficiency has never been very relevant to the renewable power sector. (The much lower figure for total renewable electricity subsidies reflects the impact of hydroelectric power, which receives almost no support but is a major source of energy.)
                                Relative
                                Subsidies
                                Coal 1
                                Petroleum/NG 1
                                Nuclear 4
                                Renewable electricity 27
                                Solar 326
                                Wind 69
                                https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#52547b031cbf
                                Looks like Solar is a real looser here. But then, aren't there simply tons of wind turbines sitting non-functional and in disrepair?

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