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  • #76
    Originally posted by redrover View Post
    I certainly do not speak for all faux liberals but I do not by any standard hold Islam in high regard. To me Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Odin, God are all the same Wizard of OZ. I guess you can argue that Muslims are more vicious than Baptists but Christianity is far from benign. Just look at Trump's call for an increased level of barbarity.
    Yes, how barbaric to stop funding people who rip fetusus (Feti ? Plural ?) out of womens bodies. . . with sharp instruments to kill this newly formed person.

    How barbaric to enforce our existing immigration laws ? LOL REALLY ??? LOL

    How barbaric to fix barack insane obamas healthcare mandates, those in his crappy version of "care"...

    .... that were going to force people OUT OF BEING ABLE TO AFFORD OR GET ANY HEALTHCARE !

    Trump and Conan the barbarians !! LOL

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    • #77
      The GOP will pass a health care bill that will allow all people to afford it? Please explain.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by radcentr View Post
        The GOP will pass a health care bill that will allow all people to afford it? Please explain.
        Who said anything about "all people" affording anything ? "All people" don't necessarily want or even need 'healthcare.'

        What was said was;

        "How barbaric (of the GOP) to fix barack insane obamas healthcare mandates, those in his crappy version of "care"...

        .... that were going to force people OUT OF BEING ABLE TO AFFORD OR GET ANY HEALTHCARE !"


        Which is what mr obamas idiotic "Law" was accomplishing.

        This, in answer to rovers statement;

        Just look at Trump's call for an increased level of barbarity.

        Which is absurd. Even if hilary had won the election, mr O's stupid idea would have had to be 'repealed or replaced,' to make it work in the real world.

        But rover wants to try to make trump into a barbarian LOL ... hilary repairing retardbaracks mess, rover would have blessed her as a saint !!! LOL . . . and the media would be singing her praises to the world !

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

          Who said anything about "all people" affording anything ? "All people" don't necessarily want or even need 'healthcare.'

          What was said was;

          "How barbaric (of the GOP) to fix barack insane obamas healthcare mandates, those in his crappy version of "care"...

          .... that were going to force people OUT OF BEING ABLE TO AFFORD OR GET ANY HEALTHCARE !"


          Which is what mr obamas idiotic "Law" was accomplishing.

          This, in answer to rovers statement;

          Just look at Trump's call for an increased level of barbarity.

          Which is absurd. Even if hilary had won the election, mr O's stupid idea would have had to be 'repealed or replaced,' to make it work in the real world.

          But rover wants to try to make trump into a barbarian LOL ... hilary repairing retardbaracks mess, rover would have blessed her as a saint !!! LOL . . . and the media would be singing her praises to the world !
          I think if the media was singing her praises it would be for good reason. You probably haven't noticed that the media has been quite critical of her lately. But as Bernie said on her worst day she is far better than Trump.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by redrover View Post

            I think if the media was singing her praises it would be for good reason. You probably haven't noticed that the media has been quite critical of her lately. But as Bernie said on her worst day she is far better than Trump.
            Thankfully, you will never know.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

              Thankfully, you will never know.
              You and Vladimir would hate that.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                Who said anything about "all people" affording anything ? "All people" don't necessarily want or even need 'healthcare.'

                What was said was;

                "How barbaric (of the GOP) to fix barack insane obamas healthcare mandates, those in his crappy version of "care"...

                .... that were going to force people OUT OF BEING ABLE TO AFFORD OR GET ANY HEALTHCARE !"


                Which is what mr obamas idiotic "Law" was accomplishing.

                ...!
                -And I was asking you how the GOP proposal was better than Obamacare, regarding the issue of "affordable healthcare". You avoided the answer, which I expected.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                  -And I was asking you how the GOP proposal was better than Obamacare, regarding the issue of "affordable healthcare". You avoided the answer, which I expected.
                  You don't need health care until you need it. You may not believe this but republicans get cancer and have strokes too. Even if you are young you never know when a drunk democrat is going to smash head on into your car.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                    -And I was asking you how the GOP proposal was better than Obamacare, regarding the issue of "affordable healthcare". You avoided the answer, which I expected.
                    I avoided nothing actually.

                    The "GOP proposal" isn't a "proposal" at all.

                    Rather, it's an attempt to FIX mr obama's crack-brained & collapsing healthcare "law."

                    You obviously missed it, I said earlier;

                    "Even if hilary had won the election, mr O's stupid idea would have had to be 'repealed or replaced,' to make it work in the real world."

                    Obamas nutty "law" is collapsing, it needs to be fixed. And it doesn't look like it's going anywhere anyways, so chill out, the world isn't coming to an end LOL

                    Of course there's no guarantee that ANYBODIES "PROPOSAL" is going to be "better." Whatever the case may be, it was going to be hilary or trump that had to deal with obama, pelosi and reids stupidity and try to "fix" it.

                    Maybe they should just leave it alone ? Since "we the people" wanted it apparently - we voted obama in TWICE after-all. Let "we the people" deal with the results of what we elected !!

                    Someday we'll all realize that it was a bad idea getting the government involved in this at ALL . . . those of us that haven't yet figured that out.

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                    ....

                    President Trump won the 2016 election by bringing the white working class into the Republican Party, and the white working class still believes in Big Government. It paid its dues into Social Security, and it wants its money back in pensions and health care. So the Trump coalition cannot reduce government any more than the previous edition of the Republican Party.

                    You can rant all you want about RINOs and GOPes and squishes, but that is the reality.

                    There are millions of people who want their ObamaCare subsidies and pre-existing conditions, and a lot of them are Trump voters; that is why House Republicans have been backing and filling on ObamaCare. That is why 20-odd moderate Republicans were allowed to vote against ObamaCare repeal-and-replace.

                    The facts on the ground are that the majority of Americans want big government and its benefits. That is just the way that most people think. It is also, of course, the way our children are taught to think when incarcerated throughout their childhood in government child-custodial facilities.

                    I dont like the idea that our culture and our politics are based on the idea of the ruling class ladling out free stuff to its clients and calling the result justice. I think that a free people tells the rulers to put it where the sun dont shine.

                    If, like me, you want to change that, then you are going to have to change the way people think. You will have to create a cultural movement of Americans dedicated to the proposition that the only right thing is for responsible Americans to create social goods in free cooperation together without the clunking fist of government running it from the top down.

                    If your movement succeeds then it shifts the political Overton window so that the average Good Little Girl in her safe space thinks that liberal big government is an embarrassment: I cant believe the Democrats are proposing that.

                    But would it be possible to create a politics that is not based on the idea of rallying people with the eternal offer of pillage and plunder as a reward for support, a politics based instead on a cultural movement with a faith in agency and dependable people glorying in their shared and generous independence?

                    If we really want to shrink the megastate then we need a million Alec Steeles with agency and a million Lucy Steeles (no, not that one) virtue-signalling their women friends against dependency. We would need a culture that celebrated responsibility, dependability and agency and voted our current liberal gods of off Mt. Washington and ended the death spiral of victimhood for the elites little darlings.

                    But will there ever be an America where most people dont want free stuff from government and instead get their kicks from telling the politicians and the activists to put it where the sun dont shine?

                    I doubt it. And so, all hail ObamaCare-lite, because thats the best we can get.

                    The result of lusting after free stuff, unfortunately, is Venezuela. But we can kick the habit way before that, right?


                    http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...d_replace.html


                    Originally posted by redrover View Post
                    You don't need health care until you need it. You may not believe this but republicans get cancer and have strokes too. Even if you are young you never know when a drunk democrat is going to smash head on into your car.
                    Good point. Maybe we could save us all a lot of expense by requiring democrats to attend 4 AA meetings a week and take weekly urine test/drug screenings.

                    I think that's a good start.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                      I avoided nothing actually.

                      The "GOP proposal" isn't a "proposal" at all.

                      Rather, it's an attempt to FIX mr obama's crack-brained & collapsing healthcare "law."

                      You obviously missed it, I said earlier;

                      "Even if hilary had won the election, mr O's stupid idea would have had to be 'repealed or replaced,' to make it work in the real world."

                      Obamas nutty "law" is collapsing, it needs to be fixed. And it doesn't look like it's going anywhere anyways, so chill out, the world isn't coming to an end LOL

                      Of course there's no guarantee that ANYBODIES "PROPOSAL" is going to be "better." Whatever the case may be, it was going to be hilary or trump that had to deal with obama, pelosi and reids stupidity and try to "fix" it.

                      Maybe they should just leave it alone ? Since "we the people" wanted it apparently - we voted obama in TWICE after-all. Let "we the people" deal with the results of what we elected !!

                      Someday we'll all realize that it was a bad idea getting the government involved in this at ALL . . . those of us that haven't yet figured that out.

                      ----------------------------

                      ....

                      President Trump won the 2016 election by bringing the white working class into the Republican Party, and the white working class still believes in Big Government. It paid its dues into Social Security, and it wants its money back in pensions and health care. So the Trump coalition cannot reduce government any more than the previous edition of the Republican Party.

                      You can rant all you want about RINOs and GOPes and squishes, but that is the reality.

                      There are millions of people who want their ObamaCare subsidies and pre-existing conditions, and a lot of them are Trump voters; that is why House Republicans have been backing and filling on ObamaCare. That is why 20-odd moderate Republicans were allowed to vote against ObamaCare repeal-and-replace.

                      The facts on the ground are that the majority of Americans want big government and its benefits. That is just the way that most people think. It is also, of course, the way our children are taught to think when incarcerated throughout their childhood in government child-custodial facilities.

                      I dont like the idea that our culture and our politics are based on the idea of the ruling class ladling out free stuff to its clients and calling the result justice. I think that a free people tells the rulers to put it where the sun dont shine.

                      If, like me, you want to change that, then you are going to have to change the way people think. You will have to create a cultural movement of Americans dedicated to the proposition that the only right thing is for responsible Americans to create social goods in free cooperation together without the clunking fist of government running it from the top down.

                      If your movement succeeds then it shifts the political Overton window so that the average Good Little Girl in her safe space thinks that liberal big government is an embarrassment: I cant believe the Democrats are proposing that.

                      But would it be possible to create a politics that is not based on the idea of rallying people with the eternal offer of pillage and plunder as a reward for support, a politics based instead on a cultural movement with a faith in agency and dependable people glorying in their shared and generous independence?

                      If we really want to shrink the megastate then we need a million Alec Steeles with agency and a million Lucy Steeles (no, not that one) virtue-signalling their women friends against dependency. We would need a culture that celebrated responsibility, dependability and agency and voted our current liberal gods of off Mt. Washington and ended the death spiral of victimhood for the elites little darlings.

                      But will there ever be an America where most people dont want free stuff from government and instead get their kicks from telling the politicians and the activists to put it where the sun dont shine?

                      I doubt it. And so, all hail ObamaCare-lite, because thats the best we can get.

                      The result of lusting after free stuff, unfortunately, is Venezuela. But we can kick the habit way before that, right?


                      http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...d_replace.html




                      Good point. Maybe we could save us all a lot of expense by requiring democrats to attend 4 AA meetings a week and take weekly urine test/drug screenings.

                      I think that's a good start.
                      Yes that should be a good start in reforming Islam. Maybe we should worry about reforming Christianity by getting it out of politics.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by redrover View Post
                        Yes that should be a good start in reforming Islam. Maybe we should worry about reforming Christianity by getting it out of politics.
                        Absolutely.

                        Get Christians out of our culture, get them out of our politics... hell, get them out of our country !!!

                        So we can make more room for Islam

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                          Absolutely.

                          Get Christians out of our culture, get them out of our politics... hell, get them out of our country !!!

                          So we can make more room for Islam
                          I don't think the religion is nonredeemable. I would like to it returned to the non political region that shaped my values in my youth.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by redrover View Post
                            I don't think the religion is nonredeemable. I would like to it returned to the non political region that shaped my values in my youth.
                            Political, non-political... funny thing is, we've been making more and more supposedly non-political things political, yet want/expect Christians to be completely non-political ?

                            Especially, given the fact that America was founded on Christian belief and principles !

                            Odd how "political correctness" seems only to accomplish, silence & target people of the Christian faith.

                            Everyone sees through the hypocrisy of it and it no longer works.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                              I avoided nothing actually.

                              The "GOP proposal" isn't a "proposal" at all.

                              Rather, it's an attempt to FIX mr obama's crack-brained & collapsing healthcare "law."
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                              A proposal isn't a proposal, then? If I didn't know better, I'd say you are practicing flowery language -to prepare a run for political office.

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                                Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                                Absolutely.

                                Get Christians out of our culture, get them out of our politics... hell, get them out of our country !!!

                                So we can make more room for Islam
                                Christianity is nothing more than a political extension of the republican party. Check out my link. I'VE seen Trips say similar things then show me where Jesus said anything that would support such political comments.http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...102-story.html

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