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  • #31
    Re: Acts of Faith

    Originally posted by CalifornCracker View Post
    Abraham was very old, and slow. Its a good thing he wasn't any faster than he was or he would have killed his son.
    Every try to race an Angel?
    Actually, the word M'lach means messenger; Angel is Greek for Messenger.

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    • #32
      Re: Acts of Faith

      Darth has already explained the context in which that command was given. So, with that backdrop, I earnestly hope that if I find myself in that Abrahamic circumstance, I will prove as worthy of my calling as he obviously did.

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      • #33
        Re: Acts of Faith

        Originally posted by RDK View Post
        Isn't it a common tactic for religious leaders to claim that god has told them and through them their followers to go and kill in the name of a peaceful and loving god?

        Since a lot of people do go and kill because they believe that their god told them to do so, I'd wager that the truthful answer of all the religious people here would be yes.
        Here was an example from 2004:

        Badowski Says Killed Parents Because "God Told Me To" - 12/10/2004 - Chattanoogan.com

        Philip Badowski told police he killed his parents because "God told me to," according to testimony at his preliminary hearing in General Sessions Court Friday morning.

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        • #34
          Re: Acts of Faith

          Originally posted by RDK View Post
          Isn't it a common tactic for religious leaders to claim that god has told them and through them their followers to go and kill in the name of a peaceful and loving god?

          Since a lot of people do go and kill because they believe that their god told them to do so, I'd wager that the truthful answer of all the religious people here would be yes.
          I don't know if you are making this mistake, but it is common for those who do not know God to presume man-like qualities onto Him and, thereby, expect He will act or react as a man (generic term) does. In the context of your comment, that typically means we see and/or hear about someone claiming to have heard from god (or a god) and deduce God really did send them to perfect this heinous act or that. Alternatively, we tend to blame God for stuff that goes amiss (like your shooters who claim to have been sent from God), even knowing God didn't (or probably didn't) send them.

          With that as a backdrop, then, I disagree with your assessment that the answer to Steerpike's question would be "yes" from all religious people who are honest. Now, I cannot (and do not) speak for all religious people, but I can speak with comparative surety about followers of Jesus Christ: Those committed to Christ would first have grave reservations about doing something like that because most Evangelicals and other Christians realize (or strongly suspect) that the era of God mandating that an individual do [bidding] such as what we're talking about here was limited to a previous dispensation. Dispensation is, effectively, the same God interacted differently with different peoples: He acted one way with the Jews of history (B.C.) and He acts differently towards us today (called "the Church Age). So those whacks, today, who say they got a message from God to kill so-and-so are just that: Whacks. As you have seen from such people as Hitler or Jim Jones (et al) living as full a life as they did, God is much more likely today to allow this fallen earth to proceed on it's morally, spiritually poisoned axis as it naturally winds down to extinction.

          So, <stepping down off of soap box> all that to say, We (believers) are not in the same circumstances in which Abraham found himself so, no, in all likliehood, if I hear a voice telling me to kill so-and-so, my suspiscion will be that it is NOT God, but a demon trying to drag me off my point and, so, my response would likely be "get behind me Satan, I'm a child of the Lord." However, as noted earlier, were I to find myself in the same kinds of circumstances I understand Abraham to have been in, I hope my God would find me as faithful as He found Abraham.

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          • #35
            Re: Acts of Faith

            I was raised as a Roman Catholic, went through a number of years of Catholic schooling, and studied Old and New Testament history (as well as other religious histories) in college, so I'm familiar enough with the Bible. Not an "expert" by any means, since I ultimately decided to pursue other paths, but I've certainly got a decent layman's working knowledge of it.

            These days I'm more agnostic than anything else and don't consider the Bible to be anything more or less than religious mythology.

            If there is a god, and I consider that an enormous "if", I don't think any religion or religious tradition is even close to understanding it. Since religions are so different, and their beliefs and traditions often so mutually exclusive, it's impossible for all of them to "have it right". If they can't all have it right, and there's no way to tell which of them might at least be on the right track, I can only assume that they all have it wrong (although the adherants of every last one would insist that they have it right while all others have it wrong). It's not unlike the Schrצdinger's Cat thought experiment, we can assume that they're all always right while they're also all always wrong, or we can be more realistic and rational about things and simply accept that they're all wholey human creations.

            With that in mind, "my" God wouldn't be telling me anything.

            If "a" god were to reveal itself to me and tell me to kill I wouldn't automatically assume that it was the God of Abraham but it would certainly call to mind Abraham's story.

            Would I listen to it and do as it said?

            I honestly have no way of knowing.

            I don't think any of us could possibly know how we'd act unless we were in that situation.

            If it was a REAL god and it REALLY wanted us to kill someone I expect it would exert some kind of omnipotent godlike influence over us that would either render free will inoperable or convince us beyond a shadow of a doubt that we really were dealing with god here.

            If it were a figment of a deluded imagination I don't know that any of us would have the mental faculites to fight it off. After all, your mind would have to be pretty shot to imagine, in the first place, that god was commanding you to kill.

            People will tell you what they think they might do, given their current morals/ethics and their existing understanding of god/faith/religion, but it's entirely possible that none of that would amount to anything in the face of an actual god (who may or may not bear any relation to their current understanding/conception of who/what god is).

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            • #36
              Re: Acts of Faith

              I don't know what god is, but I can think of what he is not. And if a god appeared and told me to kill someone, that is no god. If this entity wanted something killed, he can damn well do it himself.

              This isn't bluster, and any sort of god that would do that exists only in a delusional brain. I want nothing to do with it. The creator of the universe in not an image created by the brain. And you guys are talking about nothing more than images. Images are creations of thought. If you see God you are not seeing him, but your image of him. If he talks to you, you just went insane.

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              • #37
                Re: Acts of Faith

                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                I don't know what god is, but I can think of what he is not.
                You can think about it, but you can't really know it.

                God's true intentions might put those of the most radical fundamentalist Islamic jihadin to shame.

                For all you know, what God REALLY wants is for us to torture and kill children and puppies in the most horrific ways.

                We can pretend that we know God, and know that he wants something different from/for us, but at the end of the day we're really just pretending.

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                • #38
                  Re: Acts of Faith

                  Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                  ahoy all,

                  if i were convinced that this was THE God, the real thing....the skipper himself, descended from the skies in all his celestial majesty and splendor - i'd imagine i'd kill if i was asked to. i mean, i don't think i'd debate this entity, or engage in rhetorical snark.

                  i mean, this be God, aye?

                  if God asked me to keelhaul someone, i'd be like, "okies dokies God".

                  - MeadHallPirate

                  I'd be all like, "You can bite me man. Get a job! Don't make me open up a can of Flying Spaghetti Monster on your ass."

                  'cause that's just how I roll. (this is the internets, after all)

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                  • #39
                    Re: Acts of Faith

                    Originally posted by Steerpike View Post
                    Some of you are probably aware of the biblical account of the offering of Isaac. It is given in Gen 22, for those who wish to read the account. With that as a backdrop for this discussion, my question is for our religious posters:

                    If you believed your God told you (by any means of revelation you choose) to kill someone, would you do it?
                    Some people might believe God would make such a request ... I for one don't believe God would make such a request. If one were to receive such a request its probably not from God.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Acts of Faith

                      Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                      Well, I think what Oldmandan was alluding to was the very presence of God, in full power before you, you would not be able to resist or disobey. The problem is that I believe his premise is flawed as Adam and Eve walked with God for who knows how many years and they still ate the forbidden fruit. So, just using theology I believe he is wrong.
                      I believe in the presence of God one could resist and if one felt killing was wrong ... would resist. Still the God I know would not make such a request.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Acts of Faith

                        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                        I don't know what god is, but I can think of what he is not. And if a god appeared and told me to kill someone, that is no god. If this entity wanted something killed, he can damn well do it himself.

                        This isn't bluster, and any sort of god that would do that exists only in a delusional brain. I want nothing to do with it. The creator of the universe in not an image created by the brain. And you guys are talking about nothing more than images. Images are creations of thought. If you see God you are not seeing him, but your image of him. If he talks to you, you just went insane.
                        The question of the OP does not assume the existence of any "deity." It only assumes the existence of the belief.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Acts of Faith

                          Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                          ahoy all,

                          if i were convinced that this was THE God, the real thing....the skipper himself, descended from the skies in all his celestial majesty and splendor - i'd imagine i'd kill if i was asked to. i mean, i don't think i'd debate this entity, or engage in rhetorical snark.

                          i mean, this be God, aye?

                          if God asked me to keelhaul someone, i'd be like, "okies dokies God".

                          - MeadHallPirate
                          Ahhh... but would you do something even more terrible?

                          If THE God, the real thing....the skipper himself, descended from the skies in all his celestial majesty and splendor, and told you to put down the bong and give up the herb... forever.

                          Would you?

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                          • #43
                            Re: Acts of Faith

                            Originally posted by Steerpike View Post
                            The question of the OP does not assume the existence of any "deity." It only assumes the existence of the belief.
                            For some of those who choose to know God ... they know God is loving of even the most undeserving flotsam of humanity. Its not about who we are ... its about who God is. I have knowledge of God ... no knowledge of a Satan. If I were requested to kill in Gods name ... then I would have to assume there was a Satan ... playing a little game of trickery with me as the butt of the joke.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Acts of Faith

                              Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                              i'd have to give up me good herb. then again, we both know that God would never make such an absurd request.

                              - MeadHallPirate
                              Maybe... God works in mysterious ways...

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                              • #45
                                Re: Acts of Faith

                                Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                                ahoy Tsquare,

                                hmmmf.

                                if it was the God, the skipper who reins o'er us all who was makin' this request, complete with all the requisite CGI effects that would inevitably accompany his arrival?

                                i'd suppose i'd regretfully put down me bong.

                                this be God afterall.

                                i'd have to give up me good herb. then again, we both know that God would never make such an absurd request.

                                - MeadHallPirate
                                I sometimes believe that the way to determine if a man is liberal or conservative is to determine whether he uses drugs or not. Almost all liberals seem to like pot.

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