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  • The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

    We are about to celebrate the birth of Christ, the man sent to reconcile man to God, and the man who brought to the earth liberalism. A liberalism that was revealed by FDR many decades ago as gov't finally tried to do the will of God by making all of us "our brother's keeper" and by showing us the evils of the hoarding of wealth by a few, and that we could indeed realize the social justice that was a part of the Teachings of Christ.

    While it chaps the asses of some, Christ brought a divine liberalism to earth, and taught it, as he chided the rich because He knew what creates the hoarders of wealth as others suffer from that hoarding. He knew and taught against greed, the love of money, of hoarded wealth and even said these people were not doing God's Will, but only serving themselves, their egos, their own selfishness. And that they were not men who could enter into the Kingdom. These men were Satan's people, the same Satan that spoke through Cain, when he said he was not his brother's keeper.

    The true christian is his brother's keeper, the true christian will have nothing to do with hoarding wealth and the true christian is a liberal in the sense of the liberalism of FDR, a man chose to bring it once again to earth, to bring it to gov't in which it has to reside to be effective, to do its good works.

    Christ was all about social justice, and this is a very important part in Divine Liberalism. Yet it is chided today by some, and is relegated to some "ism" in an attempt to dismiss it, to destroy it.

    So as I celebrate the birth of Christ I also celebrate Divine Liberalism, and mourn it's loss at the hands of men who don't believe they are their brother's keeper, or even should be their keeper. Of men who worship wealth, place it above all, and judge a man's value by the amount of wealth he has hoarded as other men suffer from the lack of basic necessities of life.

    The love of on for another, a way to live a life not based upon arming oneself and killing others, to forge weapons into plowshears so that man might live in peace, that man might love one another and see ourselves as our brothers keeper has escaped us, caused by men who just refuse to do it. Or to even work towards it. In its place we substituted, " I got mine, so fuck off". Or, I want to do what brings me pleasure and to hell with everyone else". This is the foundation of modern conservatism, and even modern liberalism, which is not Divine Liberalism, although we had a small taste of the divine under the guidance of FDR, who I believe was doing God's Will in his intent to care for the poor, the old, the suffering, as he tried to put the hoarding of wealth in a place that would help mankind, by fettering that hoarding in order to benefit mankind, while not destroying the hoarders.

    Instead of celebrating the birth of christ who showed man how to be reconciled with God, of showing mankind a new way in which to live, instead most of us celebrate the birth of christ as nothing more than an insurance policy to be used to insure that the ego does not suffer death, or hell, as we refuse to be our brother's keeper, and instead work to lay up riches on this earth to be hoarded, as it gratifies the ego. Instead of working to do the Will of God for social justice, we find every way possible not to do that, calling it some "ism" deriding the very idea of being our brother's keeper.

    So the celebration of the birth of christ is empty, just another holiday that is meaningless, an insult to the Divine, which we are experts at doing. And we have no plans of being our brother's keeper, of loving one another, as our plans lie in seeing just how rich we can get, how much we can hoard, with the end being our own death with that great hoard in essence denying to help in the alleviation of human suffering, of God's special creation, man.

    That christ should speak out so strongly in regards to the hoarded wealth has no meaning for even the christian. That christ should speak out for social justice is losing its meaning as the divine liberalism of FDR has allowed to be destroyed, at the hands of men driven by wealth and power. And all of this as we celebrate the birth of this man called Christ who brought to us a totally different way of living, and in which we, even the so called christians refuse to do.

    Christmas has no meaning, it is nothing more than a farce. None of us really believe in it.

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    Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

    Divine liberalism of FDR?

    FDR threw US citizens into camps for being japanse.
    He also tried to starve one of my grandfathers to death for being an objector in WW2, nothing divine there unless one considers the nearby community and relegious groups that fed the men their "liberal" government decide would fight or be starved to death.

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      Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

      I'm not going to dignify this crap with a response.

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      • #4
        Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        I'm not going to dignify this crap with a response.
        Too late!

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        • #5
          Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

          O rly?

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          • #6
            Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

            You know, I'm not even sure where to begin with this, but I'll take a stab.

            Again, I'm an atheist, so in no way am I offended by this post. Basically I'm just neutral, but I do have something to mention.

            First, the modern concept of "social justice" didn't exist of course back during the time when Christ supposedly lived (if you just take for granted that he did). But the really important point is this: Christ's teachings, if again taken at face value, are meant for the individual; not a collective group of people. Modern liberals (who are not liberal; they are authoritarian), do not believe in voluntary action (volunteerism), non-violence or the non-aggression principle (Christ after all was the Prince of Peace - so of course modern conservatives are no better than modern liberals on this one), nor do they believe that in individual responsibility and salvation. Modern liberals (and this includes FDR) believe in coersion through government to force their policies on others (as do modern conservatives - the State is the tool through which people are FORCED to help others or do things they do not want to do - the opposite of non-aggression and volunteerism). The State is AGRESSION and monopoly on force, nothing else. Modern liberals and conservatives bow down and worship at the altar of the State (an Idol), not what one might consider "God".

            Modern liberals and the concept of social justice are nothing more than the old Puritan (and later Peitist) notion of "collective salvation". Christ did not teach about collective salvation; rather he taught about the individual seeking redemption and salvation; he called on the individual to help his neighber and to better himself and give himself to the glory of God, not the collective. In the final analysis, it is the individual and the individual alone who can decide to "save" themselves, become one with God, and help his fellow man by giving everything he has to others - it cannot be forced, it cannot be in a group, it cannot be by a law or laws.

            Christ taught many things - and you are right about hoarding wealth being abhorrent. As was many of the concepts of modern finance and banking - many of these things brought about by the concept of coersion and the consolidation of power - through powerful banking institutions. How did those banking institutions become so big, monopolistic, and powerful - so much so that for all practicle purposes, most people are nothing more than economic slaves?

            Through collective action, through law, through "regulation", but most importantly through the collectivist idea that in order for the State (again, their true God) to grow infinitely powerful, it must by any and all means CONTROL EVERYTHING. How does the State do that? By controlling the money. If you control the money supply and its value, you control EVERYTHING. If ever there was an evil in this world and if ever Christ preached against it, it would have surely been the complete control and force of creating money out of thin air, fictitous "fractional reserve banking", compound and multiple interest (usury), and other concepts of modern finance that not only are coersive, but break the non-agression principle and reduce people to modern day debt-serfs.

            And let's face it, modern Statists, see the Central Bank, with all its power and glory, as THE power behind their beloved State. That includes modern liberals and conservatives - and certainly FDR.

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              Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

              Originally posted by ericams2786 View Post
              You know, I'm not even sure where to begin with this, but I'll take a stab.

              Again, I'm an atheist, so in no way am I offended by this post. Basically I'm just neutral, but I do have something to mention.

              First, the modern concept of "social justice" didn't exist of course back during the time when Christ supposedly lived (if you just take for granted that he did). But the really important point is this: Christ's teachings, if again taken at face value, are meant for the individual; not a collective group of people. Modern liberals (who are not liberal; they are authoritarian), do not believe in voluntary action (volunteerism), non-violence or the non-aggression principle (Christ after all was the Prince of Peace - so of course modern conservatives are no better than modern liberals on this one), nor do they believe that in individual responsibility and salvation. Modern liberals (and this includes FDR) believe in coersion through government to force their policies on others (as do modern conservatives - the State is the tool through which people are FORCED to help others or do things they do not want to do - the opposite of non-aggression and volunteerism). The State is AGRESSION and monopoly on force, nothing else. Modern liberals and conservatives bow down and worship at the altar of the State (an Idol), not what one might consider "God".

              Modern liberals and the concept of social justice are nothing more than the old Puritan (and later Peitist) notion of "collective salvation". Christ did not teach about collective salvation; rather he taught about the individual seeking redemption and salvation; he called on the individual to help his neighber and to better himself and give himself to the glory of God, not the collective. In the final analysis, it is the individual and the individual alone who can decide to "save" themselves, become one with God, and help his fellow man by giving everything he has to others - it cannot be forced, it cannot be in a group, it cannot be by a law or laws.

              Christ taught many things - and you are right about hoarding wealth being abhorrent. As was many of the concepts of modern finance and banking - many of these things brought about by the concept of coersion and the consolidation of power - through powerful banking institutions. How did those banking institutions become so big, monopolistic, and powerful - so much so that for all practicle purposes, most people are nothing more than economic slaves?

              Through collective action, through law, through "regulation", but most importantly through the collectivist idea that in order for the State (again, their true God) to grow infinitely powerful, it must by any and all means CONTROL EVERYTHING. How does the State do that? By controlling the money. If you control the money supply and its value, you control EVERYTHING. If ever there was an evil in this world and if ever Christ preached against it, it would have surely been the complete control and force of creating money out of thin air, fictitous "fractional reserve banking", compound and multiple interest (usury), and other concepts of modern finance that not only are coersive, but break the non-agression principle and reduce people to modern day debt-serfs.

              And let's face it, modern Statists, see the Central Bank, with all its power and glory, as THE power behind their beloved State. That includes modern liberals and conservatives - and certainly FDR.
              Very good analysis. Great post.

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                Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                We are about to celebrate the birth of Christ, the man sent to reconcile man to God, and the man who brought to the earth liberalism. A liberalism that was revealed by FDR many decades ago as gov't finally tried to do the will of God by making all of us "our brother's keeper" and by showing us the evils of the hoarding of wealth by a few, and that we could indeed realize the social justice that was a part of the Teachings of Christ.
                ROFLMAO ... The funniest thing about this is you believe your own clap trap! Jesus's purpose is individual call to action and individual salvation yet you talk about the collective use of power over the individual.

                Jesus did not bring liberalism. He brought liberty and specifically said that was his purpose. In Luke, 4:14 He said "[The Lord] has sent me to bring liberty to the captive ... to set at liberty those who are oppressed." You did not and cannot site a single Biblical source where Jesus appealed to government to achieve his purpose. The very idea that almighty God needs government - or FDR - in order for His will to be done is blasphemy. I will continue to pray for God to forgive you for your ignorance appreciate the sick joke that your OP is.

                Merry Christmas

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                • #9
                  Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

                  The OP shows Liberals continue to think government is god and FDR is his prophet.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

                    Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
                    The OP shows Liberals continue to think government is god and FDR is his prophet.
                    That is a very good analysis. Liberals have replaced God with government.

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                    • #11
                      Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

                      And Christianity's individual call to action and goal of salvation of an individual soul is why Liberals hate Christianity at every turn ... abortion, gay marriage, tithing, welfare, etc.

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                        Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

                        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                        We are about to celebrate the birth of Christ, the man sent to reconcile man to God, and the man who brought to the earth liberalism. A liberalism that was revealed by FDR many decades ago as gov't finally tried to do the will of God by making all of us "our brother's keeper" and by showing us the evils of the hoarding of wealth by a few, and that we could indeed realize the social justice that was a part of the Teachings of Christ.

                        While it chaps the asses of some, Christ brought a divine liberalism to earth, and taught it, as he chided the rich because He knew what creates the hoarders of wealth as others suffer from that hoarding.
                        Gee, BD, I hope you only posted this to stimulate discourse because if you're typing this out with a straight face, you are so profoundly wrong that even atheists are taking exception to what you wrote. WAY to coalesce the disparate camps, there, buddy!

                        Jesus taught that God and Government are separate. He taught the lessons he taught about the wealthy as object lessons, not as criticisms of wealth. Notice the "is like" (or metaphorical) notations in most all of those lessons. He was not condemning the rich: He was telling them that God is more important than their riches. Look at the lesson of Job: God allowed Satan to take away all he held dear ... but then HE GAVE IT BACK. Odd thing for a God who despises wealth to do, wouldn't you say?

                        Further, He was not a man sent by God ... He was GOD, sent by God to reconcile man to Himself.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

                          Originally posted by Good1
                          Gee, BD, I hope you only posted this to stimulate discourse because if you're typing this out with a straight face, you are so profoundly wrong that even atheists are taking exception to what you wrote. WAY to coalesce the disparate camps, there, buddy!
                          I’m confident BD was being quite serious. His ’theology’ is pretty common amongst the liberal brethren; in fact, I’ve heard it claimed that Jesus was a Marxist before. I’d actually give BD credit for stating it as eloquently as he did.

                          Which, of course, is utter nonsense. If it were true that Jesus was a progressive liberal, He not only would condone abortion but He would advocate government funded contraception; further, Jesus would be ambivalent about mentioning God in the party platform.

                          THAT Jesus is a figment of the liberal imagination and is nowhere to be found in the Gospels.

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                            Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

                            Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
                            ROFLMAO ... The funniest thing about this is you believe your own clap trap! Jesus's purpose is individual call to action and individual salvation yet you talk about the collective use of power over the individual.

                            Jesus did not bring liberalism. He brought liberty and specifically said that was his purpose. In Luke, 4:14 He said "[The Lord] has sent me to bring liberty to the captive ... to set at liberty those who are oppressed." You did not and cannot site a single Biblical source where Jesus appealed to government to achieve his purpose. The very idea that almighty God needs government - or FDR - in order for His will to be done is blasphemy. I will continue to pray for God to forgive you for your ignorance appreciate the sick joke that your OP is.

                            Merry Christmas
                            What is even more outrageous is the way the left wing worships FDR the president. FDR did not end the recession, WWII and the rapid industrialization which occurred to fight that war ended the recession and propelled us to be the most prosperous society the world has ever know. The introduction of women into the labor market in great numbers proving that they too could be a useful tool for the war effort further added to our total productivity as the war ended creating many 2 working persons in many families propelling a major population into the middle class. I LMAO every time I hear the left wing version of the creation and continuing of our great middle class and what has happened to it in more modern times and what the causes were which slowed down the prosperity of that class of people.

                            You are correct that Jesus came to help the individual save his own soul. To my knowledge he was the first person to have said, "the poor will always be with us," suggesting that there is no way to eliminate poverty. We may try, we may owe it to society to try, but my observation is, every time we improve the lot of the poor, everyone else advances at least as much still leaving that same group at the bottom. Our labor unions, when at the peak of their power, guaranteed that the poor would remain so by insisting that every time the poor got a raise in minimum wage, they got an equal % of raise thus creating an even greater divide of income between the poor and the elitist union workers. (an issue which is more important than the divide between bottom half of the income and the wealthy)
                            Last edited by CharlesD; 12-24-2012, 11:12 AM.

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                              Re: The celebration of the birth of Christ and Divine Liberalism

                              I thought liberals/progressives think that god stuff is for stupid people who believe fairy tales.....

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