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    From my email inbox-

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    Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?

    Student : Yes, sir.

    Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

    Student : Absolutely, sir.

    Professor : Is GOD good ?

    Student : Sure.

    Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

    (Student was silent.)

    Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: Is satan good ?

    Student : No.

    Professor: Where does satan come from ?

    Student : From … GOD …

    Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: So who created evil ?

    (Student did not answer.)

    Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

    Student : Yes, sir.

    Professor: So, who created them ?

    (Student had no answer.)

    Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

    Student : No, sir.

    Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

    Student : No , sir.

    Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

    Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

    Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?

    Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

    Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

    Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

    Professor: Yes.

    Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

    Professor: Yes.

    Student : No, sir. There isn’t.

    (The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

    Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

    (There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

    Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

    Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

    Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

    Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

    Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

    Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

    Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

    Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

    Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

    Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

    (The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

    Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

    (The class was in uproar.)

    Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?

    (The class broke out into laughter. )

    Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

    (The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

    Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

    Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

    P.S.

    I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you’ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won’t you?

    Forward this to increase their knowledge … or FAITH.

    By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.
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    Last edited by Lutherf; 01-28-2013, 08:01 AM.

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    Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

    Another commandment broken.

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    • #3
      Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

      Ladies and gents, this "conversation" is a grand myth. This conversation (nor anything about it) does not appear in any recorded document about Einstein and has been circulating around the internet as a hoax for a while now. Einstein stated on many occasions, which is documented in his autobiography, that he determined he was an atheist by the age of 12. Unlikely that he would then turn around and have a man of faith debate with a professor. Wherever this myth originated from, it is rather ironic that one would lie by attibuting the conversation to Einstein just to make a point about faith in what you cannot explain (or prove, or "sense.")

      Perhaps next we can find the hoax internet petition about Social Security benefits to illegal immigrants...

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        Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

        Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
        Ladies and gents, this "conversation" is a grand myth. This conversation (nor anything about it) does not appear in any recorded document about Einstein and has been circulating around the internet as a hoax for a while now. Einstein stated on many occasions, which is documented in his autobiography, that he determined he was an atheist by the age of 12. Unlikely that he would then turn around and have a man of faith debate with a professor. Wherever this myth originated from, it is rather ironic that one would lie by attibuting the conversation to Einstein just to make a point about faith in what you cannot explain (or prove, or "sense.")

        Perhaps next we can find the hoax internet petition about Social Security benefits to illegal immigrants...
        I fully expected that the first response would be this one. Don't read the OP for its content and what it says,then comment on the content, simply try to discredit it based on who did or didn't write it or where it came from.

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        • #5
          Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

          So it's ok to quote someone as saying something they didn't say is it?

          So I can quote you as saying

          OMD Said
          "Obama is the greatest President ever and I'm going to invite him round for Christmas dinner and a game of Risk this year."

          Well that's quite some turnaround there OMD.

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          • #6
            Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
            So it's ok to quote someone as saying something they didn't say is it?

            So I can quote you as saying

            OMD Said
            "Obama is the greatest President ever and I'm going to invite him round for Christmas dinner and a game of Risk this year."

            Well that's quite some turnaround there OMD.
            First of all, I'd be tickled to have him and his family here for Christmas dinner and a good home made beer. The problem I have is with people who try to discredit the message by discrediting the messenger. If you want to make a statement on the message and then say, by the way, I don't believe Einstein ever said that, fine.

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            • #7
              Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

              Isn't that what Sluggo did?
              He pointed out Einstein didn't say it and that it's a widely reported hoax.

              You can indeed talk about the content but people will point out it's a misquote.

              As for the premise of the topic both heat and light can be tested to be real where as the presence of god at present can't be. There is so far no scientific evidence for the existence of god which is odd given how precise science can be these days.

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                Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

                Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                Isn't that what Sluggo did?
                He pointed out Einstein didn't say it and that it's a widely reported hoax.

                You can indeed talk about the content but people will point out it's a misquote.

                As for the premise of the topic both heat and light can be tested to be real where as the presence of god at present can't be. There is so far no scientific evidence for the existence of god which is odd given how precise science can be these days.
                I guess I missed the part where he actually commented on the topic of the OP.

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                • #9
                  Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

                  Maybe he didn't want to?
                  He was simply pointing out a factual inaccuracy in the opening post I'm unsure why you object to that?
                  I'm sure there was no malice intended towards Wlessard.

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                  • #10
                    Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                    I fully expected that the first response would be this one. Don't read the OP for its content and what it says,then comment on the content, simply try to discredit it based on who did or didn't write it or where it came from.
                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                    I guess I missed the part where he actually commented on the topic of the OP.
                    You should have expected this response, the entire OP is based upon a "conversation" that Einstein was not apart of. Now, if the OP just went with the subject of science vs. belief that would be one thing. But that is not the case here, the OP went with basically a lie... to argue faith. Ironic wouldn't you say?

                    So what is to comment on? It still comes down to a fundamental issue of what we believe vs. what we can prove. Faith will always be adversarial to science in that respect to prove or disprove whatever is the going story of the day.
                    Last edited by Sluggo; 01-27-2013, 07:39 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

                      More interesting is the fact that Einstein made a career of theorizing about things that weren't visible.
                      So much for the "conversation".
                      And by the way, darkness is not lack of light.

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                      • #12
                        Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        I fully expected that the first response would be this one. Don't read the OP for its content and what it says,then comment on the content, simply try to discredit it based on who did or didn't write it or where it came from.
                        You'd rather be lied to? & it wasn't a mere attempt to discredit the OP, it was a v. thorough demolition of its premise & actuality. It doesn't sound like Einstein to me, & I noticed that the OP was hitting all the usual Evangelical rhetorical targets - evolution, faith, yadda-yadda-yadda.

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                        • #13
                          Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

                          Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                          Ladies and gents, this "conversation" is a grand myth. This conversation (nor anything about it) does not appear in any recorded document about Einstein and has been circulating around the internet as a hoax for a while now. Einstein stated on many occasions, which is documented in his autobiography, that he determined he was an atheist by the age of 12. Unlikely that he would then turn around and have a man of faith debate with a professor. Wherever this myth originated from, it is rather ironic that one would lie by attibuting the conversation to Einstein just to make a point about faith in what you cannot explain (or prove, or "sense.")

                          Perhaps next we can find the hoax internet petition about Social Security benefits to illegal immigrants...
                          There is a difference between a hoax and a false attribution. False attribution actually happen fairly often. I find it interesting that the actual content of what is being said is always ignored by those who do not like/agree with it. They, like you did, just go, "OH HO HOOOO! Einstein never said this you Dummy McDummerson!". In reality, the attribution is only .01% of the value of what was said.

                          In other words, your post is quite vapid.

                          PS. I knew about this issue for quite a while as well.

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                            Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

                            Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                            So what is to comment on? It still comes down to a fundamental issue of what we believe vs. what we can prove. Faith will always be adversarial to science in that respect to prove or disprove whatever is the going story of the day.
                            Bullshit. Science, or more specifically scientists, use faith all the time.

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                            • #15
                              Re: An interesting Conversation on Religion

                              Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                              There is a difference between a hoax and a false attribution. False attribution actually happen fairly often. I find it interesting that the actual content of what is being said is always ignored by those who do not like/agree with it. They, like you did, just go, "OH HO HOOOO! Einstein never said this you Dummy McDummerson!". In reality, the attribution is only .01% of the value of what was said.

                              In other words, your post is quite vapid.

                              PS. I knew about this issue for quite a while as well.
                              (My emphasis)

                              Yah, we seem to get a lot of attempted hoaxes foisted off upon us here. There's a v. simple fix: If the anecdote, e-mail or what-have-you is too apt, hits all your talking points exactly spot-on, you should be cautious. If the people who tremblingly pass on these quasi-miraculous screeds do so without any further thought about them, they're doing themselves a disservice & wasting our time. Themselves, because after a couple of these, I stop reading anything by the author/forwarder - unless I happen to be so bored that I'm down to reading the labels on soup cans (almost never happens, there's still a lot of publishing out there, thank God).

                              Our time is precious - we only have so much, & if the author's history is one of one-night stands with whatever looks good @ closing time & last call - well, I don't have a lot of time to waste. Running down these errant bits of prose is interesting, but I don't think of myself as a detective bureau, either.

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