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  • Insane Welfare - Here And There

    I would want this to be a 'cautionary tale' as in 'don't let this happen here. I fear though we are too late...

    With six bedrooms, three bathrooms, a huge kitchen and the very latest in energy-saving eco-friendly design, it is a house that a great many of us would be very happy to buy and move into.

    Wed probably be even happier and perhaps a little humbled if it was being specifically built for us and paid for by the taxpayer.

    But not Heather Frost.

    Far from simply being grateful for her good fortune, the jobless mother of 11 says that if she doesnt like the house shell just tell the council to build her another one.

    She is due to move into the property valued at 400,000 in July after struggling to survive in two adjacent houses in Churchdown, Gloucestershire, which have been joined together by the council.

    Her new home will slash water and energy bills with its modern design using natural, locally-sourced materials. Extra large windows will fill it with natural light.

    But Miss Frost, 37, who is also a grandmother, said the move is still subject to her approving the two-storey accommodation with its 355sq ft kitchen and dining area.

    Neighbours say Frost currently lives with 14 people: all her eleven children, two grandchildren and her partner Jake, who they claim is also unemployed.

    Its being built especially for me, she said. If I go there and I say to them I dont like it or its too small, then they will just have to build me a bigger one, wont they?
    That's right... they built her a huge 400,000 pound house, and she says if she doesn't like it... fuck 'em they can build her another one.

    All with tax money, mind you...

    Not to be outdone...


    Anjem Choudary was secretly filmed mocking non-Muslims for working in 9-5 jobs their whole lives, and told followers that some revered Islamic figures had only ever worked one or two days a year.

    The rest of the year they were busy with jihad [holy war] and things like that, he said. People will say, Ah, but you are not working.

    But the normal situation is for you to take money from the kuffar [non-believers].

    So we take Jihad Seekers Allowance. You need to get support.

    He went on to tell a 30-strong crowd: We are going to take England the Muslims are coming.
    Choudary, a father-of-four, claims more than 25,000 a year in benefits, 8,000 more than the take-home pay of some soldiers fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, according to the Sun, which covertly filmed the preacher at three meetings.
    So the plan is to take their money and kill them for it, thus taking over the UK...

    So we on this side of the pond are a bit behind the UK, but we too are doing our part...

    The United States Department of Agriculture has been working to dispel immigrants concerns that getting on Food Stamps will harm their chances of becoming U.S. citizens.

    The USDA addresses those fears in Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or food stamp, brochures it distributes to Mexican consulates as part of its partnership with the Mexican government to help educate eligible Mexican nationals living in the United States about available nutrition assistance.
    Now one might say that these are limited, isolated cases.

    I say the issue should never come up... the real problem is that the programs exist in the first place.

    Thoughts?

    Jobless mother of 11 Heather Frost to get 6-bed eco-house after moaning her TWO council homes are cramped | Mail Online

    Muslim preacher urges followers to claim 'Jihad Seeker's Allowance' - Telegraph

    USDA/Mexican consulates to immigrants: Don't worry, food stamps won't affect citizenship chances | The Daily Caller

    USDA/Mexican consulates to immigrants: Don't worry, food stamps won't affect citizenship chances | The Daily Caller

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    Re: Insane Welfare - Here And There

    Entitlement Society Here We Come!

    Won't it be just grand? <heavy duty sarcasm>

    I don't know of any entity that spends this foolishly on non-contributors surviving very long. Curious what PeterUK will have to say about this.

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    • #3
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      But it's just a safety net.

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      • #4
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        Hardly a surprise, but no one here wants to address this issue.

        Out friends here on the left are taking a que from their media brothers and sisters... 'if we don't talk about it, it never happened'

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        • #5
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          I thought Peter would be defending the lady from the UK. Wonder if she gets paid holidays along with her free house?

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
            Hardly a surprise, but no one here wants to address this issue.

            Out friends here on the left are taking a que from their media brothers and sisters... 'if we don't talk about it, it never happened'
            I can see them in my minds eye.

            <Sticking fingers in ears and shouting> La! La! La! La! La! La!

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            • #7
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              Your comparison is a bit odd. You are comparing someone in the UK with getting a 400,000 pound house, with taxpayers building it for her to some mexican here getting a few hundred bucks or probably less in food stamps.

              I cannot speak for the modern liberal, because I ain't one of em. But I am indeed liberal. I am the sort of liberal that would never make american tax payers give illegal aliens a dime of our tax money. Because they are not american citizens, which is a valid, and a reasonable reason for not doing so.

              So, does that make me a conservative? Hardly. It makes me a liberal who is nationalistic, which isn't a dirty word, but means the same thing as me caring for my family, placing importance on my family, and then moving that up in taking care of my state and then taking care of my nation. If after I have done this, there is money in the pot, only then would I care for someone else who is not an american. Charity, whether it be done willingly or done by taxation begins at home. If this is cruel, then placing my family over other families is also cruel. Placing my state over other states is cruel, and placing my nation and her people over other nations is cruel. So, I am cruel, or if you want to be more accurate, I am intelligent and responsible as a human being.

              Yet we have not placed this nation first over other interests. We used to do that to a much greater degree. Today we place profits of big business and banksters over the interest of the nation and the results of that has given us the most americans on the social safety nets ever. This is because everything in this universe is interrelated, interconnected. If you change something here,(which has taken place) it affects other things. We are an individual only as an idea, a conception, but in actuality, we are instead a group. And what happens, what is done by a few individuals affects, either positively or negetively the entire group in some way.

              Some individuals wanted cheap labor as the business that moved overseas wanted cheap labor to elevate profits. Those individuals are responsible for gov't not stopping and ejecting the illegal flow of labor from Mexico and other hispanic nations south of us. This should have been done after Reagan granted amnesty to those illegals. But it wasn't done, as neither party would do it, with each having different reasons for not addresseing the problem. So, roll the clock forward and with the reccession and high jobless rates, that even affect the illegals, and with social safety nets in place, that spending explodes. Driving up debt, yet this is due to putting the demands of special interests first, over the health of this nation. So, no one should be surprised at all that we look like we have an entitlement society, given the numbers of people, citizens and illegals, that are now being supported by taxpayers.

              The solution of the problem is not to do away with safety nets, the solution is for this nation to once again act in her own self interest, instead of operating for special interests in order that they might increase their own wealth. Yet neither political party will do that, and so we will either bankrupt the nation with safety net spending, or we will just allow millions to suffer and watch the poverty class grow so that we look like a third world nation, with it huge poverty class. When the real solution lies in putting america first again, instead of placing special interests first. You know this entire deal is such an old thing in the history of mankind. We can see things like this happening throughout history, where the rich special interests become parasites upon the rest of humanity, and rich parasites at that. It really is our oldest story that arose with civilization, when the importance of the group lost value, and the importance of the special individual assume the greatest value, reflected by policy that was slanted for those individuals.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                Your comparison is a bit odd. You are comparing someone in the UK with getting a 400,000 pound house, with taxpayers building it for her to some mexican here getting a few hundred bucks or probably less in food stamps.

                I cannot speak for the modern liberal, because I ain't one of em. But I am indeed liberal. I am the sort of liberal that would never make american tax payers give illegal aliens a dime of our tax money. Because they are not american citizens, which is a valid, and a reasonable reason for not doing so.

                So, does that make me a conservative? Hardly. It makes me a liberal who is nationalistic, which isn't a dirty word, but means the same thing as me caring for my family, placing importance on my family, and then moving that up in taking care of my state and then taking care of my nation. If after I have done this, there is money in the pot, only then would I care for someone else who is not an american. Charity, whether it be done willingly or done by taxation begins at home. If this is cruel, then placing my family over other families is also cruel. Placing my state over other states is cruel, and placing my nation and her people over other nations is cruel. So, I am cruel, or if you want to be more accurate, I am intelligent and responsible as a human being.

                Yet we have not placed this nation first over other interests. We used to do that to a much greater degree. Today we place profits of big business and banksters over the interest of the nation and the results of that has given us the most americans on the social safety nets ever. This is because everything in this universe is interrelated, interconnected. If you change something here,(which has taken place) it affects other things. We are an individual only as an idea, a conception, but in actuality, we are instead a group. And what happens, what is done by a few individuals affects, either positively or negetively the entire group in some way.

                Some individuals wanted cheap labor as the business that moved overseas wanted cheap labor to elevate profits. Those individuals are responsible for gov't not stopping and ejecting the illegal flow of labor from Mexico and other hispanic nations south of us. This should have been done after Reagan granted amnesty to those illegals. But it wasn't done, as neither party would do it, with each having different reasons for not addresseing the problem. So, roll the clock forward and with the reccession and high jobless rates, that even affect the illegals, and with social safety nets in place, that spending explodes. Driving up debt, yet this is due to putting the demands of special interests first, over the health of this nation. So, no one should be surprised at all that we look like we have an entitlement society, given the numbers of people, citizens and illegals, that are now being supported by taxpayers.

                The solution of the problem is not to do away with safety nets, the solution is for this nation to once again act in her own self interest, instead of operating for special interests in order that they might increase their own wealth. Yet neither political party will do that, and so we will either bankrupt the nation with safety net spending, or we will just allow millions to suffer and watch the poverty class grow so that we look like a third world nation, with it huge poverty class. When the real solution lies in putting america first again, instead of placing special interests first. You know this entire deal is such an old thing in the history of mankind. We can see things like this happening throughout history, where the rich special interests become parasites upon the rest of humanity, and rich parasites at that. It really is our oldest story that arose with civilization, when the importance of the group lost value, and the importance of the special individual assume the greatest value, reflected by policy that was slanted for those individuals.
                It's really amusing how you can turn any issue into a diatribe about big corporations taking advantage of cheap labor.

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                • #9
                  Re: Insane Welfare - Here And There

                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                  .......
                  I cannot speak for the modern liberal, because I ain't one of em. But I am indeed liberal. I am the sort of liberal that would never make american tax payers give illegal aliens a dime of our tax money. Because they are not american citizens, which is a valid, and a reasonable reason for not doing so.
                  ..........
                  Persons here illegally do not quallify for food stamps.

                  http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/governm...nce_063011.pdf

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                  • #10
                    Re: Insane Welfare - Here And There

                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                    It's really amusing how you can turn any issue into a diatribe about big corporations taking advantage of cheap labor.
                    And it's amusing how you completley sweep the issue aside and cheer the MSNs on as the little people join the illegal bandwagon to save a buck.

                    It's also sad how a few million people actually think they're entitled to other people money and have no inkling that it might be better to strive for a better life themselves.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by Redneck View Post
                      Persons here illegally do not quallify for food stamps.

                      http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/governm...nce_063011.pdf
                      Only true if there is not one U.S. born child in the house.

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        Only true if there is not one U.S. born child in the house.
                        Then that one is a citizen and as such that one may qualify.

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                          And it's amusing how you completley sweep the issue aside and cheer the MSNs on as the little people join the illegal bandwagon to save a buck.

                          It's also sad how a few million people actually think they're entitled to other people money and have no inkling that it might be better to strive for a better life themselves.
                          MSNs ???

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by Redneck View Post
                            Then that one is a citizen and as such that one may qualify.
                            As will his family then.

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                              As will his family then.
                              No, just the one.

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