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  • #61
    Re: &quot;To Impress The Thoughtless&quot;

    Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
    That is not entirely accurate, just as there is a degree of socialism there is a degree of liberalism. At the same time there is a differnt view of socialism today vs. 50 years ago, which is also true of liberalism today vs. say classic liberalism.

    Socialism as a concept is very broad concept that includes many takes on what ownership is defined as for production in an economic system. Everything from straight up government ownership to cooperative ownership between state and private parties to government enforced equitable distribution all fall under the term. It can be very passive in a "mixed economic" model or can be extremely dominant, in theory.

    When you get into the politics of socialism we get more complex, and reveal the difference between state liberalism (rooted in socialism) and classic liberalism (a much lesser degree.) In today's hands all we are talking about is a pool of ideas for government to take on to handle working class criticism of wealth accumulation. The answer from the movement has direct ties to Marxism "From each according to their ability to each according to their needs." Wealth redistribution programs (progressive tax systems, social safety nets, welfare states) were a natural response to the cries from the working class and the poor on handling social needs. What you see in that instance is the political response to a blend of economic and government theory. Or, the blend of elements of socialism and state liberalism.

    That is why today's liberals, who are not classic liberals at all, get the brand socialists. It is why the programs they often advocate for get the brand socialist ideas.

    What started out as social safety nets for the purpose of rare use are now system dependents, that is a concept rooted in socialism. This is made worse by idiots like Maxine Waters calling for government to "socialize Big Oil." Or take over other problematic industry. Those calls are for the true blend of today's liberalism and socialism in government ownership of property terms (to whatever degree.) Wealth tax and industry specific taxation are classic trademarks of government stake in organizations for redistribution efforts from government spending desires. The blend of an economic concept and a political solution leaning to government control.

    I'm sorry Jet75, you are wrong again here. Today's liberals lean to state solutions to economic problems through ideas and concepts rooted in socialism. It does not have to be direct state ownership of property to qualify.

    Keep that shoe on and wear that bitch with pride!

    As you say, there are varying degrees of liberalism, and as the world has evolved many other influences come into play, just like it does with conservatism. There are currently four socialist countries operating, Cuba being among them, the other three are in the far east. So, in fact, there are no western influences by which the country could come close to socialism. The government does not w=own any means of production; that Im aware of so we have no model other than our own by which we operate. I think that it is quite a stretch however to say elements of socialism; outside of our own military, are at work in the country. A leveraged bailout for instance is certainly not government ownership in that sense of the word: it is completely in line with one large co-op lending to another. It is in fact no different than what our pentagon does with contracting: the service rendered in a bailout however is the return on the investment. It happens every day. Moreover, the government welfare systems work just like any insurance policy, in that the systems are not in any way a violation of the founding documents, and are designed to be temporary, like unemployment insurance. On that note therefore, if anything, the oversight of those systems is lacking. Buy your standards however, corporate welfare is socialism as well . . .
    The conservative element in this country does take into account the massive population growth in this country that has taken hold over a relatively short period of time. This weight has been an enormous drain on our system; that is designed to facilitate the immigrant population just on the social level alone. Todays government is operating on no less a program than the 19th century urban political machines: that system has simply been neutralized politically and is open to all political persuasions.

    The socialist model is merely a rhetorical square peg that is trying to be forced in the round hole of society: our military could also be construed as communist model outright when we flip it around and the conservative set would never allow that.

    Now, as to the effects of the state and liberalism: once again, I can draw from the OP source:

    http://mises.org/liberal/ch1sec7.asp
    The observance of the moral law is in the ultimate interest of every individual, because everyone benefits from the preservation of social cooperation; yet it imposes on everyone a sacrifice, even though only a provisional one that is more than counterbalanced by a greater gain. To perceive this, however, requires a certain insight into the connection between things, and to conform one's actions in accordance with this perception demands a certain strength of will. Those who lack the perception, or, having the perception, lack the necessary will power to put it to use, are not able to conform to the moral law voluntarily. The situation here is no different from that involved in the observance of the rules of hygiene that the individual ought to follow in the interest of his own well-being. Someone may give himself over to unwholesome dissipation, such as indulgence in narcotics, whether because he does not know the consequences, or because he considers them less disadvantageous than the renunciation of the momentary pleasure, or because he lacks the requisite will power to adjust his behavior to his knowledge. There are people who consider that society is justified in resorting to coercive measures to set such a person on the right path and to correct anyone whose heedless actions imperil his own life and health. They advocate that alcoholics and drug addicts be forcibly deterred from indulging their vices and compelled to protect their good health.
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    Whats not available to the conservative mind is the necessary insight to view a social problem for what it is: a disease of society. And because of the constant ebb and flow, that disease be treated constantly and consistently in order to learn from it and hopefully shrink it down. The consistency of the full power of society must be vigilant however. The conservative set however will ignore that aspect of the moral law. In Lincolns time, Washington DC was a sewer of garbage in the streets and actual waste water. But today its different. If the conservatives are not will to plant the seed money and monitor it effectively, then of course no return will be the result. Having said that, it is therefore much easier for the conservatives to label such things socialism than see them for what they really are. So state liberalism is not by a long shot- rooted in socialism. State aid, of all kinds has consistently been a benefit of citizenship.<o:p></o:p>
    We call the social apparatus of compulsion and coercion that induces people to abide by the rules of life in society, the state; the rules according to which the state proceeds, law; and the organs charged with the responsibility of administering the apparatus of compulsion, government.
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    There are, a tiny minority in this country that are in fact factions that advocate socialism. The same as there are tiny minorities of any radical faction, so again, to say that socialism has taken some sort of root in this country is just flat out not true. The reason that the systems can be argued; agued mind you, of being dependent, is because of the constant numbers remaining high relative to population growth. What is also an interesting fact about our welfare system is that the souths conservative leadership consistently brings in the most welfare recipients! I will be please for you to look that up. So under your argument, the socialist welfare system is brought under larger focus under conservative leadership. So, sorry slug; it is you who are wearing the funny wrong shoes.<o:p></o:p>
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    • #62
      Re: &quot;To Impress The Thoughtless&quot;

      socialism
      [soh-shuh-liz-uhm]
      noun
      1.
      a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
      2.
      procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
      3.
      (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


      We are approaching that stage now. The government does not yet own the means of production but it does now redistribute wealth.

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      • #63
        Re: &quot;To Impress The Thoughtless&quot;

        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        socialism
        [soh-shuh-liz-uhm]
        noun
        1.
        a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
        2.
        procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
        3.
        (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


        We are approaching that stage now. The government does not yet own the means of production but it does now redistribute wealth.
        There is nothing about this country and it's social policies that falls under that category and I flatly defy you to prove that it does.
        Last edited by jet57; 02-08-2014, 04:06 PM.

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        • #64
          Re: &quot;To Impress The Thoughtless&quot;

          Originally posted by jet57 View Post
          Thee is nothing about this country and it's social policies that falls under that category and I flatly defy you to prove that it does.
          Isn't the entire wealth redistribution agenda of the present president and administration founded in socialistic principals?

          Take for example ObamaCare, where those who can't pay, get those who can pay to pay for them, redistributing the wealth of those that work and are successful to those that don't work are aren't successful?

          Isn't the government asserting control and power over the healthcare system the control and power of production and distribution of healthcare services?

          Isn't the welfare state, again the forced collection from those that are successful, distributing money to those that don't work, don't want to work, and are unsuccessful founded on socialistic principals?

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          • #65
            Re: &quot;To Impress The Thoughtless&quot;

            Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
            Isn't the entire wealth redistribution agenda of the present president and administration founded in socialistic principals?

            Take for example ObamaCare, where those who can't pay, get those who can pay to pay for them, redistributing the wealth of those that work and are successful to those that don't work are aren't successful?

            Isn't the government asserting control and power over the healthcare system the control and power of production and distribution of healthcare services?

            Isn't the welfare state, again the forced collection from those that are successful, distributing money to those that don't work, don't want to work, and are unsuccessful founded on socialistic principals?
            Our whole tax code is Socialist in nature. Tax one group and give it to another.

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            • #66
              Re: &quot;To Impress The Thoughtless&quot;

              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              Our whole tax code is Socialist in nature. Tax one group and give it to another.
              Actually... yes it is... Earned Income Tax Credit.

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