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  • America, not the greatest nation...

    If this video from you tube has been talked about before, please do what is needed to fix this post. But it rang so true to me that I must bring it up. I knew these things as separate facts, but when heard all at once it had quite the shock factor, with me personally. Here, it's short enough to not take up valuable time...



    So you guys have any revealing thoughts or not so revealing thoughts on what this actor said? I guess it came from some film, done by loony liberals in Hollyweird. But, still, it rings true given the facts he laid out.

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    Re: America, not the greatest nation...

    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    If this video from you tube has been talked about before, please do what is needed to fix this post. But it rang so true to me that I must bring it up. I knew these things as separate facts, but when heard all at once it had quite the shock factor, with me personally. Here, it's short enough to not take up valuable time...



    So you guys have any revealing thoughts or not so revealing thoughts on what this actor said? I guess it came from some film, done by loony liberals in Hollyweird. But, still, it rings true given the facts he laid out.
    Sure, if you look at everything from the extreme left perspective.

    Yes, there are points and issues in there that are each worth their own thread.

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      Re: America, not the greatest nation...

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      Sure, if you look at everything from the extreme left perspective.

      Yes, there are points and issues in there that are each worth their own thread.

      The character delivering that speech was not representative of the left. Just to make it obvious, he was literally placed right in the middle, between the cliche liberal and the cliche conservative.

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        Re: America, not the greatest nation...

        Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
        The character delivering that speech was not representative of the left. Just to make it obvious, he was literally placed right in the middle, between the cliche liberal and the cliche conservative.
        But to a conservative, he appears to be left, going by the post prior to yours.

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          Re: America, not the greatest nation...

          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
          Sure, if you look at everything from the extreme left perspective.

          Yes, there are points and issues in there that are each worth their own thread.
          And that is what it is... Aaron Sorkin's far left, mushroom addled, view of America.

          And hey... who got us here in the first place? All those 1960's tear it down far left loons, who as soon as they came to power trashed the place.

          We used to build things until the far left stopped us from building things. Now we can't put a simple pipe in the ground without the left tying things up in the courts for years. How do you think they'd do with the Hoover Damn?

          We use to put men is space until NASA had to spend their funding on 'Muslim outreach' programs.

          We used to educate our kids until the schools became jobs programs for liberals and indoctrination was more important than learning.

          We used to do all that and more until far leftist trashed the nation, told us that we are all shit, that America was evil. Then... hearing it so many times the American people began to believe it. Then we were no loner great.

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            Re: America, not the greatest nation...

            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
            If this video from you tube has been talked about before, please do what is needed to fix this post. But it rang so true to me that I must bring it up. I knew these things as separate facts, but when heard all at once it had quite the shock factor, with me personally. Here, it's short enough to not take up valuable time...



            So you guys have any revealing thoughts or not so revealing thoughts on what this actor said? I guess it came from some film, done by loony liberals in Hollyweird. But, still, it rings true given the facts he laid out.
            All the things he said were pretty much true I believe. There's a reason a lot of people identify with that character.

            But I guess it is in the eye of the beholder. It's easy to be cynical. I can be so myself. And even more so for a character on a tv show.


            The question itself is open to unlimited subjective interpretation. Is America the greatest nation in the world?

            People will argue endlessly who the greatest guitar player was. Or petrol based motor oil vs synthetic. Of course the same thing would be done with any nation.

            America is a great nation, but not without it's flaws. Some nations will have better numbers in certain areas, and some won't.

            And to put in perspective, America is also the 3rd largest population in the world, so it's numbers, good or bad, will be magnified.

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              Re: America, not the greatest nation...

              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
              But to a conservative, he appears to be left, going by the post prior to yours.
              Right, I suspect many of our conservative friend seem to think they are the center of the universe so anything left of them, even if it is actually the middle, is seen as the left.

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                Re: America, not the greatest nation...

                Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                And that is what it is... Aaron Sorkin's far left, mushroom addled, view of America.

                And hey... who got us here in the first place? All those 1960's tear it down far left loons, who as soon as they came to power trashed the place.

                We used to build things until the far left stopped us from building things. Now we can't put a simple pipe in the ground without the left tying things up in the courts for years. How do you think they'd do with the Hoover Damn?

                We use to put men is space until NASA had to spend their funding on 'Muslim outreach' programs.

                We used to educate our kids until the schools became jobs programs for liberals and indoctrination was more important than learning.

                We used to do all that and more until far leftist trashed the nation, told us that we are all shit, that America was evil. Then... hearing it so many times the American people began to believe it. Then we were no loner great.
                And today my Tesla stock, that's an American car company built right here in America with American technology, reached all time highs beating analysts estimates by making and selling a great car.

                Not only have the sales in North American been better than expected, but forward looking guidance suggesting demand in Europe and Asia, especially China was gonna be big.

                This is the same car that won Motor Trends car of the year, and Consumer Reports gave it their highest rating ever.

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                  Re: America, not the greatest nation...

                  Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                  And today my Tesla stock, that's an American car company built right here in America with American technology, reached all time highs beating analysts estimates by making and selling a great car.

                  Not only have the sales in North American been better than expected, but forward looking guidance suggesting demand in Europe and Asia, especially China was gonna be big.

                  This is the same car that won Motor Trends car of the year, and Consumer Reports gave it their highest rating ever.
                  And Facebook is buying WhatsApp. So...?

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                    Re: America, not the greatest nation...

                    Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                    Right, I suspect many of our conservative friend seem to think they are the center of the universe so anything left of them, even if it is actually the middle, is seen as the left.
                    That does seem to work out to be true. I see it as an affliction, created by beliefs, which are mostly dogma, or at least grounded in dogma. Not that you don't see the same thing with the modern left, so...

                    For me, the video was kinda enlightening, as I had never seen it prior. I am still digesting it. Thinking about what the actor said.

                    I have always wanted a real politician or candidate to be this honest with the People, but that doesn't win elections, so far anyways. When it does, we can then expect for real, positive change in this nation, perhaps. Until then, we are stuck with the corrupt status quo. Which will continue to weaken this nation of ours. That is what I think, anyways. I am fed up with both parties, which is why I voted against every person running for office that already holds it. And will continue to do so as long as I am above the ground. Unless of course we get a third party that is actually viable. But with the media being involved, both left and right, in protecting the status quo, that is gonna be a very difficult thing to pull off.

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                      Re: America, not the greatest nation...

                      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                      And Facebook is buying WhatsApp. So...?
                      You said America doesn't build, great things anymore, and I just gave you a great example of an American company that is.

                      And you just gave me another example of a new, very successful American company.

                      I guess you old conservatives just want a return to the old days and are gonna be grumpy old curmudgeons resisting change.

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                        Re: America, not the greatest nation...

                        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                        But to a conservative, he appears to be left, going by the post prior to yours.
                        It is because the whole country has moved left, so a moderate for all intensive purposes, is left.

                        To many people do not get it, they really, really, don't. What has happened to this country was known (in case you younger people aren't aware of it) for decades. We were warned, and BOTH partys did NOT have the political will to stop the freight train that is coming at all of us right now. The voters of that era didn't have the political will either to stop it, as every politician said they had a plan that wouldn't hurt, were voted in, as we can see the "easy plans" didn't work, so here we are now. So much for their plans, and every day we wait to try and fix it, the more it is going to hurt everyone worse.

                        The reason that conservatives dislike progressive ideas so much, is not because we are evil, mean, nasty, homophobes, or anything else. It is because they CAN NOT PAY FOR THEM, and drive us further toward ruin as a country. They do not want to fix the problem, stop the problem, or even slow the problem, they want their agenda which helps increase the problem. Not one progressive (that I know of) is willing to admit that the reason we are in this disaster is BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT, not because of the American people. For if they really believed that, they would not be constantly harping to GROW government bigger.

                        Is this the greatest country in the world? Yes it is; but not because the way we are today in our present state of affairs. No, the reason this is the greatest country in the world is----------->because we have EVERYTHING we need to basically knock anyone of their pedestal anytime we wish economically, and if the America people figure out how much better it could be before we go under, they have the ability to elect people that can make that happen.

                        Nobody (any country) has the combination of natural resources, open land, and ability to grow food along with climate to do it in. We honestly live in the "land of milk and honey," and the main thing holding you back from realizing those goals is an incompetent, agenda driven government, more worried about itself along with how they can fool you to keep themselves in power, than you.....its constituents, that actually pay the freight for their ridiculous ideas.

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                          Re: America, not the greatest nation...

                          Originally posted by tsquare View Post

                          We use to put men is space until NASA had to spend their funding on 'Muslim outreach' programs.
                          I always love it when a right winger lets their animosity towards another religion slip out. Because in closed minded right wing world, Muslim = bad. That's all they got to say.

                          And they bitch about NASA space shuttle program ending after 30 years. Yet they bitch about how much government wastes money on non-essentials.

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                          • #14
                            Re: America, not the greatest nation...

                            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                            That does seem to work out to be true. I see it as an affliction, created by beliefs, which are mostly dogma, or at least grounded in dogma. Not that you don't see the same thing with the modern left, so...

                            For me, the video was kinda enlightening, as I had never seen it prior. I am still digesting it. Thinking about what the actor said.

                            I have always wanted a real politician or candidate to be this honest with the People, but that doesn't win elections, so far anyways. When it does, we can then expect for real, positive change in this nation, perhaps. Until then, we are stuck with the corrupt status quo. Which will continue to weaken this nation of ours. That is what I think, anyways. I am fed up with both parties, which is why I voted against every person running for office that already holds it. And will continue to do so as long as I am above the ground. Unless of course we get a third party that is actually viable. But with the media being involved, both left and right, in protecting the status quo, that is gonna be a very difficult thing to pull off.
                            It's basically another form of "us vs them". It's a universal affliction of human nature.

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                              Re: America, not the greatest nation...

                              Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                              I always love it when a right winger lets their animosity towards another religion slip out. Because in closed minded right wing world, Muslim = bad. That's all they got to say.

                              And they bitch about NASA space shuttle program ending after 30 years. Yet they bitch about how much government wastes money on non-essentials.
                              So to you the mission of NASA is not space exploration but 'Muslim outreach'

                              Got it...

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