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  • Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

    Interesting article on FoxNews this morning about the film "Noah" into which Paramount Studios is pouring $125 million and casting such draws as Emma Stone and Russel Crowe... but word is the movie doesn't stick very closely to the Biblical narrative.

    Faith Driven Consumer a movement connecting Christian consumers with companies compatible with a biblical worldview issued the results of an online survey, first published in Variety, that indicated a whopping 98 percent of faith-driven consumers are unsatisfied with (the) Bible-themed movie which strays from Biblical message. The report suggested that Noah could thus face commercial challenges.
    So herein lies my concern: I go to movies to be entertained so from that perspective I shouldn't care whether or not a Bible story-turned-movie sticks to its Biblical roots. However, for my money, those stories in the Bible have enough of a draw (action, heroism, twists, danger...) so why would a studio undertake such a project and NOT stick to the "script?" Maybe they don't want to present a pure Gospel message, I get that ... but the story of Noah? An underdog and considered a nut-case who is vindicated after great personal sacrifice? How can hollywood improve on that? All the Rocky movies were the same thing...

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset at Hollywood at all and, frankly, I have come to expect this sort of thing (even though I don't understand it)... I'm just wondering why.

    Since early drafts of the script were leaked a couple of years ago, Noah has been plagued by suggestions that it portrayed the famous flood as a punishment for mans disrespect for the nature, as opposed to sins against God. Last year, sources attached to the production told FOX411 that tensions had risen in the editing room, with Paramount wanting to make a more biblically-accurate film, while filmmaker Aronofsky had different ideas.

    Others argue that box office returns for the film, which is slated to open March 28, will depend more on the quality of the content rather than the Christian turnout.

    It is commonplace for Hollywood to change stories for dramatic effect or impact, said Ken Wisnefski, Founder/CEO of internet marketing company WebiMax. I do know people were less than excited by the trailer that debuted at the Super Bowl and in turn, the fact that the movie may not be all that good would hurt its box office take not the fact that Christians in mass are avoiding it.

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    Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

    Don't you know?

    It's not 'cool' among our elites to believe in God.

    "We" that do believe in God are just too stupid to know any better anyway, so say the very same elites.

    With every Movie/TVshow/Book must come an approved political message advancing the liberal agenda.

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      Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
      Don't you know?

      It's not 'cool' among our elites to believe in God.

      "We" that do believe in God are just too stupid to know any better anyway, so say the very same elites.

      With every Movie/TVshow/Book must come an approved political message advancing the liberal agenda.
      Yeah, TRUST me, I absolutely get that part. Hear it every day (or almost).

      So since they believe us to be the unwashed masses, anyway, why bother doing a Biblical-themed movie at ALL unless they're trying to draw "Christians" or at least "Theists" in ... and, if that IS their goal, why wouldn't they stick to the "original?"

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        Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

        Everybody knows that Hollywood can improve on God's creation.

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          Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

          Originally posted by Good1 View Post
          Interesting article on FoxNews this morning about the film "Noah" into which Paramount Studios is pouring $125 million and casting such draws as Emma Stone and Russel Crowe... but word is the movie doesn't stick very closely to the Biblical narrative.



          So herein lies my concern: I go to movies to be entertained so from that perspective I shouldn't care whether or not a Bible story-turned-movie sticks to its Biblical roots. However, for my money, those stories in the Bible have enough of a draw (action, heroism, twists, danger...) so why would a studio undertake such a project and NOT stick to the "script?" Maybe they don't want to present a pure Gospel message, I get that ... but the story of Noah? An underdog and considered a nut-case who is vindicated after great personal sacrifice? How can hollywood improve on that? All the Rocky movies were the same thing...

          Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset at Hollywood at all and, frankly, I have come to expect this sort of thing (even though I don't understand it)... I'm just wondering why.
          The Noah story is a difficult one. It's one of the many Bible stories I'm constantly surprised to find presented in the form of flannel graph, plush toys, and animated kids movies.

          An accurate, non-sugary Biblical account is rough stuff. If the flood is taken to be literally global instead of simply as widespread as the contemporaries knew of, then its a tale of mass death and destruction unparalleled throughout history. Men, women, children, and newborn babes, and billions of animals died in terror, many (if not most) without knowing why. It's incredibly awful, in both senses of that word.

          We can try to make sense of it by wrestling with the depth of human wickedness, the unapproachable righteousness and justice of God, predestination, the grace shown to Noah, the prophetic message in saving a remnant, the insubstantial of all life, and so on...but it's still a rough story and not one to take lightly. I can certainly understand a desire to shy away from it.

          I'd be curious to know (1) will the movie have scenes showing the deaths of some of the hundreds/thousands/millions of children who drowned? and (2) if it does, will there be an outcry by the Christian community that the movie is anti-God?

          Either way, it will hopefully lead to some profitable conversations.

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            Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            Everybody knows that Hollywood can improve on God's creation.
            True... they don't own it until they piss all over it.

            And then there is still the political

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              Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

              Originally posted by Good1 View Post
              Interesting article on FoxNews this morning about the film "Noah" into which Paramount Studios is pouring $125 million and casting such draws as Emma Stone and Russel Crowe... but word is the movie doesn't stick very closely to the Biblical narrative.



              So herein lies my concern: I go to movies to be entertained so from that perspective I shouldn't care whether or not a Bible story-turned-movie sticks to its Biblical roots. However, for my money, those stories in the Bible have enough of a draw (action, heroism, twists, danger...) so why would a studio undertake such a project and NOT stick to the "script?" Maybe they don't want to present a pure Gospel message, I get that ... but the story of Noah? An underdog and considered a nut-case who is vindicated after great personal sacrifice? How can hollywood improve on that? All the Rocky movies were the same thing...

              Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset at Hollywood at all and, frankly, I have come to expect this sort of thing (even though I don't understand it)... I'm just wondering why.
              FFS. They aren't pissed because they didn't stick to the script entirely, they are pissed because you took it from "God punishes man" to "mother earth punishes man". BIIIIIIG difference. God Damned Hippies!

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                Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                When I took a film class in college, I thought some people read way too much into films.

                When I listen to people discuss movies today, I often think the same thing.

                Whether it be some article asking if "men really do find a female archetype found in romantic comedies attractive?" and I think, but a character like that is not actually real.

                Or a bunch of film critics watching Pulp Fiction scene by scene and discussing what Tarantino really meant by shooting from a certain angle, at a certain time of day. Maybe he just did it because that's where the camera fit and that's what time of day it was when he said action. Sometimes it is really that innocuous.

                As great screenwriter William Goldman once said, "Hollywood is filled with people who have no idea what they are doing."

                That's why most films suck and are forgettable. They're just making something they hope comes out decent, so they can get it out there and hope it sells.

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                  Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                  If I cared at all, I think I'd actually prefer Hollywood stayed away from such subject matter. They don't really care, and they are not going to do it right.

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                    Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                    Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
                    When I took a film class in college, I thought some people read way too much into films.

                    When I listen to people discuss movies today, I often think the same thing.

                    Whether it be some article asking if "men really do find a female archetype found in romantic comedies attractive?" and I think, but a character like that is not actually real.

                    Or a bunch of film critics watching Pulp Fiction scene by scene and discussing what Tarantino really meant by shooting from a certain angle, at a certain time of day. Maybe he just did it because that's where the camera fit and that's what time of day it was when he said action. Sometimes it is really that innocuous.

                    As great screenwriter William Goldman once said, "Hollywood is filled with people who have no idea what they are doing."

                    That's why most films suck and are forgettable. They're just making something they hope comes out decent, so they can get it out there and hope it sells.
                    Your post reminded me of all the furor over those songs of the 70's and 80's that made almost no sense ... but a lot of big-brains were wrangling over what they meant.

                    Remember when America released A Horse with No Name in '72 and it shot to the top of the charts, whereupon everyone was arguing over what the song meant:
                    I've been through the desert on a horse with no name,
                    It felt good to be out of the rain.
                    In the desert you can remember your name,
                    'Cause there ain't no one for to give you no pain
                    WHAT the HECK does THAT mean???

                    Some years later, Dewey Bunnell (who wrote the song) told everyone it didn't mean ANYTHING ... the verse fit the meter and the words rhymed so that's what they sang.

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                      Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                      Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                      If I cared at all, I think I'd actually prefer Hollywood stayed away from such subject matter. They don't really care, and they are not going to do it right.
                      I'd have to agree with that. It's very little that Hollyweird and it's celebutards get right.

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                        Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                        Originally posted by Dilettante View Post
                        The Noah story is a difficult one. It's one of the many Bible stories I'm constantly surprised to find presented in the form of flannel graph, plush toys, and animated kids movies.

                        An accurate, non-sugary Biblical account is rough stuff. If the flood is taken to be literally global instead of simply as widespread as the contemporaries knew of, then its a tale of mass death and destruction unparalleled throughout history. Men, women, children, and newborn babes, and billions of animals died in terror, many (if not most) without knowing why. It's incredibly awful, in both senses of that word.

                        We can try to make sense of it by wrestling with the depth of human wickedness, the unapproachable righteousness and justice of God, predestination, the grace shown to Noah, the prophetic message in saving a remnant, the insubstantial of all life, and so on...but it's still a rough story and not one to take lightly. I can certainly understand a desire to shy away from it.

                        I'd be curious to know (1) will the movie have scenes showing the deaths of some of the hundreds/thousands/millions of children who drowned? and (2) if it does, will there be an outcry by the Christian community that the movie is anti-God?

                        Either way, it will hopefully lead to some profitable conversations.
                        You raise an interesting issue, Dilettante, and something I've pondered for quite some time.

                        IMO, now, we human beings have this "thing" with death that is vastly different from how our Creator views it. You're right, of course, in acknowledging a non-sugary Biblical account (can be) pretty brutal. But if one goes through those brutal accounts, some occurring chronologically one right after the other, could not one come away with the perspective that God sees "death" as something different from how we see it.

                        Then, we get so arrogant as to suggest that God is wrong if He sees it differently than we do because, after all, we're human and all so we're at the top of the perceptual pyramid (except we're not, if one believes in a God).

                        I like your "wrestling" too and find most of those thoughts ... heck, ALL of them ... pretty spot on in terms of that which must be considered when consuming the narrative (of any Biblical story), but I would not expect a hue and cry coming from the Christian (and/or Theist) community if all the violence is shown. I offer as evidence for this position the movie The Passion of the Christ that Mel Gibson. Christians knew of the violence visited upon the Saviour around his Trial and execution ... they were even WARNED it was in the movie, and still they went, they still watched, they left (many) in tears at seeing what He went through. Few complained because (I think) it was accurate.

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                          Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                          Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                          You raise an interesting issue, Dilettante, and something I've pondered for quite some time.

                          IMO, now, we human beings have this "thing" with death that is vastly different from how our Creator views it. You're right, of course, in acknowledging a non-sugary Biblical account (can be) pretty brutal. But if one goes through those brutal accounts, some occurring chronologically one right after the other, could not one come away with the perspective that God sees "death" as something different from how we see it.

                          Then, we get so arrogant as to suggest that God is wrong if He sees it differently than we do because, after all, we're human and all so we're at the top of the perceptual pyramid (except we're not, if one believes in a God).

                          I like your "wrestling" too and find most of those thoughts ... heck, ALL of them ... pretty spot on in terms of that which must be considered when consuming the narrative (of any Biblical story), but I would not expect a hue and cry coming from the Christian (and/or Theist) community if all the violence is shown. I offer as evidence for this position the movie The Passion of the Christ that Mel Gibson. Christians knew of the violence visited upon the Saviour around his Trial and execution ... they were even WARNED it was in the movie, and still they went, they still watched, they left (many) in tears at seeing what He went through. Few complained because (I think) it was accurate.
                          Idk man, saying "God sees it differently" and then showing millions of people being drowned without warning by a God who only cared to contact one person about the flood...... *waves hand in generally accepted meh symbol* Its a bit different.
                          And that's just a relatively tame/action takes place mostly off scene story, rather than a "hey guys go kill this entire ethnicity for living in this land, when I've never told them not to or anything or tried to contact them, and while you're at it kill all the women and children and livestock and salt the fucking earth too. K? O that 'thou shalt not kill thing"? O don't worry about that... I "see it differently" than you do Its totes cool. Totes mcgoats. The OT is VERY brutal. VERY. Especially on the wholesale slaughter bits.
                          Which is pretty different from the Passion (which people DID complain about graphic depiction-wise) which is God basically voluntarily taking horrible punishments upon himself rather than inflicting them upon others either himself or by proxy.
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                            Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                            I think it's only natural people would be defensive about important things being portrayed inaccurately, especially when it's intended to be relatively accurate. I mean I don't know if people were angry over Evan Almighty, outside of it just being a terrible film, but I think there is a fair amount of leeway when a film is seen as a comedic spoof of an event.

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                              Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                              Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                              Your post reminded me of all the furor over those songs of the 70's and 80's that made almost no sense ... but a lot of big-brains were wrangling over what they meant.

                              Remember when America released A Horse with No Name in '72 and it shot to the top of the charts, whereupon everyone was arguing over what the song meant:


                              WHAT the HECK does THAT mean???

                              Some years later, Dewey Bunnell (who wrote the song) told everyone it didn't mean ANYTHING ... the verse fit the meter and the words rhymed so that's what they sang.
                              I was born in 74, but I like that song. I always figured it was about taking a bunch of drugs and going out in the desert, but it does not surprise it was about nothing.

                              Or like Frank Zappa was a famous straight-edger. But you listen to his music or lyrics and think what was he smoking?

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