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Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

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  • #31
    Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    Muslim don't think that they choose, via free will, to accept Islam? I wasn't aware of that. So, how can a infidel be converted to Islam? Does the infidel have no choice? Sorry, either I am not understanding you, or you were not clear enough for this brain to grasp meaning.
    Probably the latter ...

    In Islam, the "choice" is only Allah's and is predicated only on an individual's good works, amongst which is submitting to the Qu'ran. God extends His grace to all, freely, and the "good works" will come later but one's salvation is not dependent on them.

    Of course when it comes to spiritual matters, I don't believe in free will either. Once one sees truth, there is no choice involved. Seeing truth is not within the realm of choice. There is no choosing at all, the seeing is the doing. One action. Once light is there, there is nothing to choose. The darkness is expelled by the light, and no choice of me or you is involved. Choosing is for those things that are superficial. Like shall I have a donut or an egg for breakfast. But within the spiritual realm, if there is choice, there is a confused being. And a confused being chooses because he doesn't see the light. If he saw it, there would be no choice. Similar but not the same as when one accidently lays his hand on something extremely hot. We don't choose to yank it back. We can doing nothing but that, no choice in the matter, unless you abstract one. But in actuality, we don't choose, the extreme heat and the yanking back is one action. Same with spiritual matters of the highest order. That is the beauty of it.
    I disagree. Whether one believes your version or mine, many in this very community have "heard" (a.k.a. "seen") the truth yet many have chosen to not heed.

    I agree in human terms, choice can often lead to confusion. But such a statement about the spiritual realm completely obviates the Holy Spirit of God interacting with our spirit. WITH the Holy Spirit, regardless of how many alternatives there are (and with Satan being so interested in each of us, there are plethora alternatives that he or, more likely, his demons regularly impart to us), we have peace.

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    • #32
      Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

      Good1 says...

      Probably the latter ...

      In Islam, the "choice" is only Allah's and is predicated only on an individual's good works, amongst which is submitting to the Qu'ran. God extends His grace to all, freely, and the "good works" will come later but one's salvation is not dependent on them
      Thanks, now I understand. But isn't there something like this also in some Christian tradition? That Christians are actually chosen? Now I know this would not be your own belief, but wasn't this a belief, perhaps a heretical belief as deemed by the organized Church? I think it was, which means Islam didn't have this idea originally but copied an earlier belief. It might vary in that the good works was not a condition, as there were no conditions, and it remained up to God as to whom was chosen. But the memory is failing, so I can in no way say this with certainty. Wait, I think this is in reference to predestination, which some Christian sects believe in. And of course Einstein believed in a type of predestination, based upon his science. That a criminal was predestined to be just that, although he said we should still punish them.

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      • #33
        Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
        Good1 says...



        Thanks, now I understand. But isn't there something like this also in some Christian tradition? That Christians are actually chosen? Now I know this would not be your own belief, but wasn't this a belief, perhaps a heretical belief as deemed by the organized Church? I think it was, which means Islam didn't have this idea originally but copied an earlier belief. It might vary in that the good works was not a condition, as there were no conditions, and it remained up to God as to whom was chosen. But the memory is failing, so I can in no way say this with certainty. Wait, I think this is in reference to predestination, which some Christian sects believe in. And of course Einstein believed in a type of predestination, based upon his science. That a criminal was predestined to be just that, although he said we should still punish them.
        WELLLLL....sort of, yes but you'd have to follow a more "Calvinist" approach. There is a big difference of opinion between Calvinism and Arminianism but to be quite candid, I think they're both wrong:

        Calvinism believes God only selected a few whom He predestined to salvation and the rest of us don't get saved... because God is Sovereign and all of His decisions and determinations are always good.
        Arminianism says, yes, God only chooses a few BUT He made those selections (of to whom to offer Grace) based on his absolute foreknowledge of who would and who would not accept the free gift.

        OF the two, I'm closer to Arminianism, but I have to insert that the offer of salvation is open to ALL but, of course, God already knows who will and who will not accept it.

        You are right about predestination, but only in this spiritual sense. There is no Christian concept of predestination to, for example, thievery or whatever.

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        • #34
          Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

          I saw Noah the other day. Spoiler alert! Don't read further if you don't want to know.





          As a Christian, it was too far from the Bible. Man's biggest sin was destroying the environment. I felt like I was watching Avatar. Noah was bent on all humans dying off after the flood. He built the ark to save the animals so that the Earth could be perfect without man. He was so deranged that he left Ham's "girlfriend" to die and almost murdered his newborn granddaughters. I didn't get the "rock angel" creatures that helped build the ark.

          I understand it's not my money and they can make the movie how they like, but I don't have to like it. If anybody sees it, don't expect it to be what Christians actually believe.

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          • #35
            Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

            Originally posted by Texan View Post
            I saw Noah the other day. Spoiler alert! Don't read further if you don't want to know.





            As a Christian, it was too far from the Bible. Man's biggest sin was destroying the environment. I felt like I was watching Avatar. Noah was bent on all humans dying off after the flood. He built the ark to save the animals so that the Earth could be perfect without man. He was so deranged that he left Ham's "girlfriend" to die and almost murdered his newborn granddaughters. I didn't get the "rock angel" creatures that helped build the ark.

            I understand it's not my money and they can make the movie how they like, but I don't have to like it. If anybody sees it, don't expect it to be what Christians actually believe.
            While it would seem to be a bad deal to destroy your environment, as we have to inhabit it, using a biblical tale to bring this to the forefront, while ignoring the major reason for the flood and the destruction, is propaganda.

            It was the immorality of man that brought on this renewal, but as always we reverted back to what we have been since Eden. And created another world grounded in selfishness, personal gratification, at all costs. That will always lead to some sort of destruction, a Divine Law, IMO. Self centered behavior when unfettered, brings destruction, as the apple that falls, does so by the law of gravity.

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            • #36
              Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

              I'm siding with Jihad4Beer on this one. I really doubt this is part of the liberal conspiracy to take over the universe or anything like that. If I were a writer I would want there to be a little bit of room for creative input. Plus the story has been told so many times before why not add a few twists?

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              • #37
                Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                Originally posted by AJG View Post
                I'm siding with Jihad4Beer on this one. I really doubt this is part of the liberal conspiracy to take over the universe or anything like that. If I were a writer I would want there to be a little bit of room for creative input. Plus the story has been told so many times before why not add a few twists?
                Noah's story is only 4 chapters in Genesis. There is all kinds of room to add to the story without alienating Christians who believe the Bible to be true. The Noah of the Bible wasn't bent on destroying the human race and God didn't need him to protect the environment. God was about to wipe out all living creatures on the Earth anyway. God actually loved man and proved it by saving Noah and his family. He didn't need Noah to save the animals, he could recreate them himself. The purpose of the ark was to give man a new beginning because God loved him.

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                • #38
                  Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                  Lol...I bet Evan Almighty was more accurate than Noah.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                    Originally posted by Texan View Post
                    Noah's story is only 4 chapters in Genesis. There is all kinds of room to add to the story without alienating Christians who believe the Bible to be true. The Noah of the Bible wasn't bent on destroying the human race and God didn't need him to protect the environment. God was about to wipe out all living creatures on the Earth anyway. God actually loved man and proved it by saving Noah and his family. He didn't need Noah to save the animals, he could recreate them himself. The purpose of the ark was to give man a new beginning because God loved him.
                    I'm willing to bet that if the movie did not have such a familiar title it would make less money. That's probably why they named it Noah and I doubt they really cared at all about staying true to the story when they were making it.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                      Originally posted by AJG View Post
                      I'm willing to bet that if the movie did not have such a familiar title it would make less money. That's probably why they named it Noah and I doubt they really cared at all about staying true to the story when they were making it.
                      What I said up front. If they weren't going to make it biblical, why not call it Ralph?

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                      • #41
                        Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        What I said up front. If they weren't going to make it biblical, why not call it Ralph?
                        Because if it was called Ralph it wouldn't earn as much money. Noah is a story a lot of people are familiar with so it will earn a lot of money for the same reason sequels earn a lot of money. Just like a really shitty sequel people will see Noah because of name recognition, not because the story is any good.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Why do Christians Care if the movie sticks to the message?

                          Originally posted by AJG View Post
                          Because if it was called Ralph it wouldn't earn as much money. Noah is a story a lot of people are familiar with so it will earn a lot of money for the same reason sequels earn a lot of money. Just like a really shitty sequel people will see Noah because of name recognition, not because the story is any good.
                          Our pastor went to see it.

                          He told the congregation yesterday, "If you want a Biblical account of the historical Noah, save your money. But if you want an action film in which Russel Crowe delivers a great performance, then by all means, go see it."

                          I have not seen it but from all the scuttlebutt, I gather he accurately conveyed an overview of the movie.

                          Personally, I am aware that we live in a fallen world. Part of that fallen world is, people will make movies like Noah and take liberties to the extent that it is unrecognizable to anyone familiar with the Biblical account. It's going to happen, and it will make money because everyone ELSE is also part of a fallen world. The BEST I can do is, as my pastor said, "save [my] money" and focus on those things in my life I can control.

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