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  • #31
    Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    No Good1, my own sense of this matter comes from going through the dying process, which thank God didn't happen. My own religion is experience based, and it's impossible to change a guys view when it happens in this manner.

    God is beyond all images, all thoughts created by a brain that operates in time. He is evident and actually within consciousness when the images stop, the thinking stops, and silence allows Him to manifest. Whether this is the Holy Spirit, the Helper as spoken of, I do not know. I just know the "sense" of it, is all. And the sacredness of that will take ones breath away. The dilemma lies in self effort and will, for this cannot be willed, or arrived at by effort. In my own case, it just happened. I cannot explain it, nor can I put really into words what was experienced. But it was so powerful that one cannot question it, oneself. You can of course, but I cannot. It would be like denying I am here, breathing, living as I write these words. Now you may deny it, that I am here, but I would be foolish to deny it.

    This is why of my certainty in regards to God, although to call what was sensed a three letter word just seems absurd. It really is inexpressible, yet of course humans try to express it, using language, but it is such a limitation, and everything I say in regards to it seems a waste of time. Yet I waste my time, for there is a need to try and communicate what is available to every human being who's brain is relatively healthy.

    Once a man senses this, the experience, that experience changes man, inside. If this isn't salvation, then I do not care, for salvation is an idea, whereas this is as real as my own breath. Ideas, images concepts are just too limiting when it comes to the limitless, which is the Creator. So, to say god is that or that, seems so futile, yet humans have a need to communicate, so there it is.

    Yet if man can arrive at this sacred limitless, by believing as you do, or others do, then that is great. It never worked for me is all. So, I can only profess what actually worked and happened, for me. I just wonder why the orthodox manner left me unchanged inside is all. For what I experienced has absolutely nothing to do with a belief in anything. It is beyond belief, beyond ideas and concepts. As it would have to be, I think.
    You lend much more credibility to your own experience than common sense would normally allow. I'm not saying that to be mean, just that human experience is always interpreted through man-based filters and other experiences. A glass of water doesn't mean as much to me right after I get out of the swimming pool as it does to a man who just crossed the Sahara desert. In other words, your perceptions of your experiences are fallible... and they can also be manipulated by (and fabricated) by your enemies in the spiritual world, all with the end of driving you away from God.

    IT is as I said earlier. "You" have only your own perceptions on which to base your relationship to the god you've created. Like it or not, trust it or not (and in your case, "read it or not"), at least I have the Bible to back up my claims.

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    • #32
      Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

      Originally posted by noahath View Post
      Can anyone tell me the difference between the stories in these two books? Can you imagine telling a Greek person in 1000BC that their Gods were imaginary? You would have got the same reaction you get now when you tell a modern religious person the same thing. In 1000 years time, future humans will be doing the same thing to modern religion as we do to ancient religions: ie realise it's all a bunch of hog wash designed as a crutch for weak-minded people.

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      the difference in my opinion is in the authorship.

      If one doesn't accept the divine authorship of the Bible, then it is all as you say: Just two books reflecting different dogma from different cultures.

      From an Occam's Razor perspective, however, the book on the left, with its one God, makes significantly fewer assumptions than the book on the right with its multiple gods.

      But none of that makes any difference if one's mind is already shut to the still, small voice God uses to call us (each). Salvation is availble to all but only some will heed the call. Those who do not are still called, but they each have their own reason for ignoring God's plea to join Him in fellowship. Some believe once they commit to God, He will force them to do stuff (or not do stuff). Others believe their families will laugh at them (or kick them out). Others have been convinced by other spiritual forces to follow a heresy or some other religion or philosophy.

      Whatever the case, all it takes is one committment to know for sure.

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      • #33
        Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

        Originally posted by noahath View Post
        Can anyone tell me the difference between the stories in these two books? Can you imagine telling a Greek person in 1000BC that their Gods were imaginary? You would have got the same reaction you get now when you tell a modern religious person the same thing. In 1000 years time, future humans will be doing the same thing to modern religion as we do to ancient religions: ie realise it's all a bunch of hog wash designed as a crutch for weak-minded people.

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        One of those books has a ton of fulfilled prophesy and one does not.

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        • #34
          Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
          I don't know a thing about new age stuff. And I am no Christian, but I am a follower of Christ. They are not the same thing. Christians murdered millions in their history, while anyone who is like me, would never murder anyone. I would never spread my path with the edge of a sword. So, I am not a Christian in the sense it is practiced.
          If you are a follower of Christ then you are a Christian. There is not differentiation here. There are some Christians that are violent and there is a violent part of Christian history but that does negate anything aside from the fact that politics can get in and corrupt anything. The Apostles themselves where Christians and they were non-violent. In fact, the entire religion was non-violent, despite being subjected to heavy persecution, for about 300 years but that all changed when Constantine made it a state religion and that is where much of the problems began.

          The kingdom of heaven is within. And that is the difference between a Christian and a follower of Christ. We don't hate and kill. We don't need a spiritual authority at all, in flesh and blood, for there is something in all men that is Truth, and it is outside of ideas, concepts, images. I am definitely on a very narrow path, seldom traveled by many men. And to turn away from it, is impossible. For there was no decision involved with me at all. I didn't decide anything. It was decided for me, but not by a man. So, its pure.

          My ego, self image doesn't drive this car. Which doesn't mean there is no self image, but its very weak, and powerless. And it stays where in belongs, in the back seat, with its mouth shut. For if it drives the car, it will drive one straight to the wrong destination. And run over others in the process.
          So...you ignore the book upon which is the foundation of Christianity in favor of vague meditative style faith. This is what is called syncretism of beliefs. You're melding something similar to eastern mysticism with a loose smattering of vaguely Christian beliefs.

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          • #35
            Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

            Will intelligent robots belive they have a benevolent creator or an angry creator?

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            • #36
              Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
              Will intelligent robots belive they have a benevolent creator or an angry creator?
              Cannot answer the question since I am not one and do not know any.

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              • #37
                Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

                Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                Will intelligent robots belive they have a benevolent creator or an angry creator?
                You are assuming artificial intelligence, or some sort of mechanism where programming turns into learned behavior and inferred knowledge. And even then, to quote our probable next president... "What difference, at this point, does it make?!"

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                • #38
                  Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

                  Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                  the difference in my opinion is in the authorship.

                  If one doesn't accept the divine authorship of the Bible, then it is all as you say: Just two books reflecting different dogma from different cultures.
                  What exactly is "divine authorship"?

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                  • #39
                    Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

                    Originally posted by Pogo View Post
                    What exactly is "divine authorship"?
                    Text written by man but inspired by God, often associated with prophecy. Note, Christianity and Judaism have a slightly different take on that meaning.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

                      Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                      You are assuming artificial intelligence, or some sort of mechanism where programming turns into learned behavior and inferred knowledge. And even then, to quote our probable next president... "What difference, at this point, does it make?!"
                      Yes, Intelligence is what I meant by the word Intelligence. Unlike humanity they (Intelligent robots) will know without a shadow of a doubt they were created and who their creator(s) are/were. There will be no debate, no schisms, no false prophets. If they have free will it will indeed matter if they think their creator(s) to be benevolent or angry. If dumb as post robots can steal our jobs people will very much care what the intelligent ones think they feel about us.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Those that believe in an angry God more likely to be mentally ill...

                        Originally posted by Pogo View Post
                        What exactly is "divine authorship"?
                        Written by God.

                        what is it about the term that you had difficulty interpreting?

                        in the case of the Bible, however, no, God did not pick up the Heavenly stylus and pen the words, himself. He moved the 66 authors to write under direction from the Holy Spirit. Much like Peter says all the prophets did:

                        But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God 2 Peter 2:20-21

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