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  • Where did my tax dollars go?

    Where did my tax dollars go?

    Now you can find out.

    A nice little tool if you're curious.

  • #2
    Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

    Originally posted by Hoplite View Post
    Where did my tax dollars go?

    Now you can find out.

    A nice little tool if you're curious.
    Up in smoke

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    • #3
      Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

      Originally posted by Forplay View Post
      Up in smoke
      There is some truth to that.

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      • #4
        Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

        I wish those on the left would look at the pie chart and actually understand it:

        17% for defense...

        8% for health (Medicaid)
        16% Income security
        16% Medicare
        16% Social Security

        56% direct transfer payments to people.

        And our budget is about 33% deficit spending.

        Anyone still wonder why?

        We can cut 100% of all defense spending and still be in deficit spending

        We can cut 100% of all other spending (parks, international... everything else) and still be in deficit spending

        IT'S THE ENTITLEMENTS STUPID!

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        • #5
          Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

          Originally posted by tsquare View Post
          I wish those on the left would look at the pie chart and actually understand it:

          17% for defense...

          8% for health (Medicaid)
          16% Income security
          16% Medicare
          16% Social Security

          56% direct transfer payments to people.

          And our budget is about 33% deficit spending.

          Anyone still wonder why?

          We can cut 100% of all defense spending and still be in deficit spending

          We can cut 100% of all other spending (parks, international... everything else) and still be in deficit spending

          IT'S THE ENTITLEMENTS STUPID!
          Do you think it is really fair to include SS? Afterall people pay into that all of their working lives. And we can't help it that both parties have raided it, placed IOUs. Looks like to me that should be backed out when griping about entitlements. If it was not raided, our income taxes would not be used to pay it back.

          If SS was left alone, and SS withholding was calculated to keep it solvent, it would simply be social insurance, non profit. It would not be what you call an entitlement, anymore than insurance is an entitlement. Just how hard would it be to treat SS for what it actually is?

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            Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
            Do you think it is really fair to include SS? Afterall people pay into that all of their working lives. And we can't help it that both parties have raided it, placed IOUs. Looks like to me that should be backed out when griping about entitlements. If it was not raided, our income taxes would not be used to pay it back.

            If SS was left alone, and SS withholding was calculated to keep it solvent, it would simply be social insurance, non profit. It would not be what you call an entitlement, anymore than insurance is an entitlement. Just how hard would it be to treat SS for what it actually is?
            I agree with you that Social Security should be taken out of the equation.

            Even if I didn't agree I would still take it out for argument's sake.

            Because even without that 16% included, the 40% of the budget remaining that's being pissed away on entitlements is still fucking obscene.

            You might not think so, but then again that probably doesn't account for nearly $30,000 being taken out of your family's pocket this year alone to pay for this bullshit.

            I could literally, or damn near at least, send one of my kids to Harvard for a year with what I'm being forced to pay every year for entitlements.

            Out-fucking-rageous.

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              Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

              Originally posted by Hoplite View Post
              Where did my tax dollars go?

              Now you can find out.

              A nice little tool if you're curious.
              Your tax dollars 100% go to the purchasers of US Treasury Bonds.

              0% tax dollars go to the government.

              The US government gets all of its money from loans in exchange for US Treasury Bonds.


              The largest buyer of US treasury bonds is the Fed Reserve which is owned by Goldman Sachs and the Chase manhattan Gang (financiers of the Soviet Union when it collapsed).

              They have 100% of your tax dollars.


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                Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

                Originally posted by soot View Post
                I agree with you that Social Security should be taken out of the equation.

                Even if I didn't agree I would still take it out for argument's sake.

                Because even without that 16% included, the 40% of the budget remaining that's being pissed away on entitlements is still fucking obscene.

                You might not think so, but then again that probably doesn't account for nearly $30,000 being taken out of your family's pocket this year alone to pay for this bullshit.

                I could literally, or damn near at least, send one of my kids to Harvard for a year with what I'm being forced to pay every year for entitlements.

                Out-fucking-rageous.
                Well, it is a helluva amount of money spent. Understand, I believe in social safety nets, but I also know that if living wage jobs were here, our social safety net cost would go down quite a bit. I think it has exploded due to so many manufacturing jobs being allowed to leave for cheap labor. That move has social costs, funded by you and me.

                But I do not believe like many cons believe that these people, most of them are using our nets because of being no account bums. I do not believe that as many folks on these nets are there for that reason. I do not believe they like being poor, as that is no fun at all. In fact it can be painful. I think the growth is due to the ladder up from poverty, manufacturing of consumer goods leaving these shores. Because if you just use common sense, you have to see that millions of living wage jobs were lost, many of those provided insurance, and there was nothing of equal value to replace that. So, social safety nets grow, as we lower taxes. If you want to attack the so called entitlements, attack it by having economic and trade policy that keeps those ladder up jobs here. And ASSUME that most people really do not want to be poor, and stay poor. The ones that do, the chronics, should be addressed with work fare programs. This is the sane way to go, which means we will never do it.

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                • #9
                  Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

                  Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                  ahoy Tsquare,

                  and that is why i await a thread started by ye lambastin' congresspersons McConnell, Cantor, and Boehner fer thar hearty support 'o medicare part D.

                  - MeadHallPirate
                  I really believe that was a ploy to bankrupt the nation, so they could cut out all social safety nets. Why else would they do it, given their ideology? No sir, when the elephant starts braying like a jackass, there is something funky bout' that monkey. Or in less colorful words, there is an ulteriour motive to Pubs being generous to someone other than a rich cool cat. Hell would freeze over the first time a Con cared about the unwashed masses. That is against their religion.

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                    Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    But I do not believe like many cons believe that these people, most of them are using our nets because of being no account bums. I do not believe that as many folks on these nets are there for that reason. I do not believe they like being poor, as that is no fun at all. In fact it can be painful. I think the growth is due to the ladder up from poverty, manufacturing of consumer goods leaving these shores. Because if you just use common sense, you have to see that millions of living wage jobs were lost, many of those provided insurance, and there was nothing of equal value to replace that. So, social safety nets grow, as we lower taxes. If you want to attack the so called entitlements, attack it by having economic and trade policy that keeps those ladder up jobs here. And ASSUME that most people really do not want to be poor, and stay poor. The ones that do, the chronics, should be addressed with work fare programs. This is the sane way to go, which means we will never do it.
                    I understand all that.

                    I don't really care.

                    Poor people are not my responsibility.

                    I get absoluely nothing in return for my maintenance of the poor.

                    If the government required them to come cut my grass and clean my gutters I probably wouldn't have such a huge problem with it.

                    But the government just sends them checks and they just sit home and do nothing in return for the money they recieve.

                    Whether or not they "like" that situation is irrelevant to me.

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                      Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

                      Originally posted by soot View Post
                      I understand all that.

                      I don't really care.

                      Poor people are not my responsibility.

                      I get absoluely nothing in return for my maintenance of the poor.

                      If the government required them to come cut my grass and clean my gutters I probably wouldn't have such a huge problem with it.

                      But the government just sends them checks and they just sit home and do nothing in return for the money they recieve.

                      Whether or not they "like" that situation is irrelevant to me.
                      But of course I knew this already, as that is a conservative attitude. I just think it evil.

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                        Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

                        Originally posted by soot View Post
                        I get absoluely nothing in return for my maintenance of the poor.
                        Look at the charts again. Most of the entitlements are going to wealthy people.

                        Social Security
                        Medicare
                        Military Defense, indirectly a large number of contractors.

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                          Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

                          Originally posted by soot View Post

                          I get absoluely nothing in return for my maintenance of the poor.
                          Taxes go to Banks.

                          When you pay taxes you are repaying Bankers on Bonds (loan contracts) they purchased from the US Treasury.

                          Bankers like Goldman, Chase and the Rothschild Investment trust.

                          Here is one of the homes of the 'poor' you are maintaining:

                          The Rothschild Mansion (They made their fortune financing wars in Europe which killed millions of people)

                          waddesdon-manor.jpg

                          Here is Warren Buffet and Jacob Rothschild with former California Governor Arnold Schwarznegger. These Capitalists buy Califonia Bonds and then get repaid by your taxes. They fund all California government programs such as the "free shit for mexicans programme" and other great patriotic endeavors that you cant live without.

                          arnierothschild.jpg

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                            Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

                            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                            But of course I knew this already, as that is a conservative attitude. I just think it evil.
                            How much of your money do you donate to the government to help fund those on welfare? Do you file a tax return and accept the money coming back or do you just tell the government to keep all it has taken during the year?

                            If you take back any money and do not give them the extra you have after paying your bills you are a hypocrite. If you are so selfless as to think that wanting to keep the money that I earned is evil then you should be sending all your extra cash to the government for the entitlement programs.

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                              Re: Where did my tax dollars go?

                              Originally posted by AjaxPress View Post
                              Look at the charts again. Most of the entitlements are going to wealthy people.

                              Social Security
                              Medicare
                              Military Defense, indirectly a large number of contractors.
                              I guess I can stop sending $3000 a month to my mother to help her pay her bills then. Apparently she is wealthy because of SS and Medicare and her pension from Raytheon. Wish I knew this about 5 years ago could have spent that money on a boat or something for myself instead since she is wealthy and doesn't need it.

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