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    Congress tries to give president line-item veto - CBS News

    Interesting bedfellows on this legislation- it comes from Paul Ryan and Chris Van Hollan. From what I've heard, the Senate version has similar bipartisan support (over 60 sponsers). But Harry Reid doesn't like it, according to reports, despite the President being very much in favor.

    Update- Just passed, 254-173
    Last edited by mahayana; 02-08-2012, 02:30 PM.

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    Originally posted by mahayana View Post
    Congress tries to give president line-item veto - CBS News

    Interesting bedfellows on this legislation- it comes from Paul Ryan and Chris Van Hollan. From what I've heard, the Senate version has similar bipartisan support (over 60 sponsers). But Harry Reid doesn't like it, according to reports, despite the President being very much in favor.
    I would like to see him veto all the earmarks. Let's see if he does it.

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      Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

      Agreed. But it has to pass the Senate first. This should be a no-brainer.

      From what I gather, this version changes the line-item veto power that Clinton had, to let Congress approve or disapprove each veto. Still, the old farts on both sides hate the idea.

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        Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

        Originally posted by mahayana View Post
        Update- Just passed, 254-173
        I'm sure that you are mistaken... this is a 'do nothing' Congress. Haven't you heard?


        Originally posted by TomBlaze View Post
        I would like to see him veto all the earmarks. Let's see if he does it.
        Like it would ever get a vote in the (Democratic controlled) Senate

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          I have done limited reading on the subject of the line time veto. I'm not aware if it is favored primarily by one party or another. Im approaching this with a completely unbiased clean slate. Before I do some research this is you chance to make your case to me. Pros/cons anyone?

          My first thought would be that it would appear to give the president power to eliminate pork. But the way bills are negotiated the POTUS would be able to negate any concessions given away by his/her party in congress to pass a bill. The party not in control of the white house would be almost powerless unless they controlled both the house and senate and even then not very powerful

          Therefore it seems to me that a more effective way to end gridlock is filibuster reform. I think it would give more say to voters who'd have to put one party in control of all three branches to get stuff done. Just electing the POTUS with line item veto power would almost be like a filibuster proof majority. Criticism of my points is welcome.
          Last edited by Danny; 02-08-2012, 05:14 PM.

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            Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

            Congress does not want a line item veto as it gives the President power to turn down a plethora of "add ons" on important and sometimes needed legislation.

            The only way it got by the House is because they are apparently dead certain it would be a no go in the Senate. So, they could vote for it, and then maintain they wanted it, to pacify the folks back home, when nothing could be farther from the truth.

            This would not be the first time these jackwags "played" the people, who are many times too blinded by ideology to recognize the dishonesty these bums indulge in as a matter of course. Congress is filled with men who crave and get their greatest personal gratification from power, the status of the job, etc. The only time congress wanted less power was when they basically gave the Pres the power to wage war without congress officially voting on, and declaring war. Congress did not want that reponsibility, that constituitonal dictate, because it might threaten them getting reelected in an unpopular war that they voted to declare. But giving the president the power to veto pork? Or add ons? I will believe this when I see it.

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              Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

              People always point t pork as the great reason for having the line item veto. But no one ever considers the unstoppable juggernaut it would make the President.

              How fine a line? Does it allow specific paragraphs? Sentences? Words? To be removed? Does it only cover entire provisions?

              A far better solution is an "no unrelated" clause. Basically make it illegal for congress to bundle together completely unrelated items in a bill. No more bundling an extremely unpopular item to a bill so that people will vote against it so that you can then say they voted against some new hunger program. No more unrelated pork where a totally pork highway bill or college study is added as payment to a congress critter on a defense appropriations bill.

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                Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

                I thought we have been down this road before. 1996 Republicans gave a similar authority to Bill Clinton but the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional in 1998 in a 6-3 ruling. I am sure the language of the bill was different then vs. now but I cannot imagine this really doing what everyone claims it will. Seems more like a game of political entrapment, similar to saying since we as Congress cannot figure out a budget lets kick it to the President to figure out line item veto style. Whatever the President does will not matter as we have political ammunition for the next election.

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                  Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

                  Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                  I thought we have been down this road before. 1996 Republicans gave a similar authority to Bill Clinton but the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional in 1998 in a 6-3 ruling. I am sure the language of the bill was different then vs. now but I cannot imagine this really doing what everyone claims it will. Seems more like a game of political entrapment, similar to saying since we as Congress cannot figure out a budget lets kick it to the President to figure out line item veto style. Whatever the President does will not matter as we have political ammunition for the next election.
                  Yep. A supreme court dominated by Republican appointments struck down a lawsuit signed by Democratic president. And who brought the lawsuit to court to begin with? A Republican.

                  This budget problem we have could have been solved a long time ago if Republicans would stop their big spending habits.

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                    Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

                    Originally posted by AjaxPress View Post
                    Yep. A supreme court dominated by Republican appointments struck down a lawsuit signed by Democratic president. And who brought the lawsuit to court to begin with? A Republican.

                    This budget problem we have could have been solved a long time ago if Republicans would stop their big spending habits.
                    When are you taking your act on the road? Cause this is some funny stuff posted here.

                    While neither party is innocent of excessive spending only a delusional spin doctor would suggest its primarily a republican caused problem.

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                      Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

                      Originally posted by AjaxPress View Post
                      Yep. A supreme court dominated by Republican appointments struck down a lawsuit signed by Democratic president. And who brought the lawsuit to court to begin with? A Republican.

                      This budget problem we have could have been solved a long time ago if Republicans would stop their big spending habits.
                      When are you taking your act on the road? Cause this is some funny stuff posted here.

                      While neither party is innocent of excessive spending only a delusional spin doctor would suggest its primarily a republican caused problem.

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                        Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

                        Originally posted by Limemobber View Post
                        When are you taking your act on the road? Cause this is some funny stuff posted here.

                        While neither party is innocent of excessive spending only a delusional spin doctor would suggest its primarily a republican caused problem.
                        Here's the obstructionist who is opposing the balanced budget amendment. You may recognized him as a troglodyte named John McCain. He's a member of the Republican party, not the Democratic party...

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                          Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

                          Originally posted by AjaxPress View Post
                          Yep. A supreme court dominated by Republican appointments struck down a lawsuit signed by Democratic president. And who brought the lawsuit to court to begin with? A Republican.

                          This budget problem we have could have been solved a long time ago if Republicans would stop their big spending habits.
                          That is inaccurate. Budget problems started the moment we cut taxes, yet spent anyway, and ignored the condition of the economy at each step. Rather, ignored why GDP and economic conditions at the time allowed for a given year's tax revenue. Many make this mistake that cutting taxes somehow will eventually balance the budget off of an improved economy. Has never happened because the mistake of economic conditions as a consideration at the time of the cuts are discarded for political interests, but still promising improved economic conditions on the other side of those tax cuts.

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                            Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

                            Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                            That is inaccurate. Budget problems started the moment we cut taxes, yet spent anyway, and ignored the condition of the economy at each step. Rather, ignored why GDP and economic conditions at the time allowed for a given year's tax revenue. Many make this mistake that cutting taxes somehow will eventually balance the budget off of an improved economy. Has never happened because the mistake of economic conditions as a consideration at the time of the cuts are discarded for political interests, but still promising improved economic conditions on the other side of those tax cuts.
                            Unconditional taxcuts regardless of the current state of the country is a policy advocated by the vast majority of Republicans. This is the only time in American history besides the war of 1812 when we didn't raise taxes on the hyper-wealthy to help fund the military expenses. Yet it's the Republicans who continue to defy common sense while the independents and Democrats try to find ways to balance budget. Obama has been roundly and harshly criticized for cutting $500 million from medicare. Republicans claim to want to cut government spending, but when a Democrat does it, it's seen as an act of evil? Talk is cheap, but that isn't surprising considering the Republican's track record.

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                              Re: Line-item Veto about to pass House

                              Originally posted by AjaxPress View Post
                              Unconditional taxcuts regardless of the current state of the country is a policy advocated by the vast majority of Republicans. This is the only time in American history besides the war of 1812 when we didn't raise taxes on the hyper-wealthy to help fund the military expenses. Yet it's the Republicans who continue to defy common sense while the independents and Democrats try to find ways to balance budget. Obama has been roundly and harshly criticized for cutting $500 million from medicare. Republicans claim to want to cut government spending, but when a Democrat does it, it's seen as an act of evil? Talk is cheap, but that isn't surprising considering the Republican's track record.
                              The first comment you had was related to spending only. Now you are at least talking about both which is a step in the right direction. We keep going further down the road and add in macroeconomic thinking, and we might start to agree.

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