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    Now I know Elizabeth Warren is held up as being a champion of the left, but I challenge any conservative to not applaud her simple question, and line of questioning in her first appearance as a member on the Senate Banking Committee. She repeatedly asks a panel of banking regulators when the last time they took a Wall Street firm to trial, and then highlights the example that everyday District Attorney's around the country take individual citizens to trial in order to make them an example.

    The clip only goes for a touch over 3 minutes, but I think it's well worth watching. If this is an indication of what her senate career is going to be, then I think she's very soon going to become a champion of the American people, and not just those on the left.

    Elizabeth Warren Asks The Most Obvious Question Ever And Stumps A Bunch Of Bank Regulators

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

    It's an entertaining question but it's also grandstanding.

    The various regulatory agencies already have putative authority and regularly assess penalties. Directly suing a bank under that authority would be HIGHLY unusual especially because it would, by necessity, also involve exposing other regulatory agencies and the Fed to scrutiny. Now, if she wants to audit the Fed, the FRC, the SEC and the rest of the 30 or so regulatory agencies I'm all for it but I'm not holding my breath.

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      Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

      Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
      It's an entertaining question but it's also grandstanding.
      Its not really grandstanding to ask a simple and relevant yes or no question and have no one willing to say "no". Either/both of those who responded to her simply could have said "Never, to my knowledge".

      The various regulatory agencies already have putative authority and regularly assess penalties. Directly suing a bank under that authority would be HIGHLY unusual especially because it would, by necessity, also involve exposing other regulatory agencies and the Fed to scrutiny. Now, if she wants to audit the Fed, the FRC, the SEC and the rest of the 30 or so regulatory agencies I'm all for it but I'm not holding my breath.
      One of her points early on is that if a company makes billions in profits, and has to pay a few millions in penalties (out of those profits), is that really being putative?

      That's not putative, that's just a cost of doing business, like a fuel cost.

      You're probably right though, the FED would throw a shit-fit if they actually got audited. It would also be in the best long-term interests of the citizenry to Audit the too-big-to-be-prosecuted banks along with the FED.

      Our demopublican congress and past presidents have been bought and paid by such interests though, so a real audit and real punative actions for criminal activity are not gonna happen anytime soon.

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        Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

        This might be a more obvious question but is there anything other than kudos from the left that could be gained by suing banks?

        I mean isn't the whole point in giving these agencies broad regulatory powers over banks so that these agencies don't have to take them to court?

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          Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

          Originally posted by Jihad4Beer
          I guess I don't get it, what is supposed to be offensive about that?
          Nothing is offensive about that; but it is a useful distraction for those who don't actually want to engage on substance.

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            Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

            Originally posted by Disillusioned_1 View Post
            Its not really grandstanding to ask a simple and relevant yes or no question and have no one willing to say "no". Either/both of those who responded to her simply could have said "Never, to my knowledge".



            One of her points early on is that if a company makes billions in profits, and has to pay a few millions in penalties (out of those profits), is that really being putative?

            That's not putative, that's just a cost of doing business, like a fuel cost.

            You're probably right though, the FED would throw a shit-fit if they actually got audited. It would also be in the best long-term interests of the citizenry to Audit the too-big-to-be-prosecuted banks along with the FED.

            Our demopublican congress and past presidents have been bought and paid by such interests though, so a real audit and real punative actions for criminal activity are not gonna happen anytime soon.
            Not everything can be properly answered with a yes/no response and quite often the intent of asking such a question is to sway the jury/public into believing that the issue really is that simple.

            Try this.... "Should convicted felons lose all their rights forever?" Please answer only yes or no.

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              Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

              I'm afraid I will have to side with Warren on this one. My only question is does the government actually have the evidence to take them to trial or is it just enough to intimidate them into settling? It seems to me that often the government uses the bully pulpit to get a settlement when they really don't have all that much to convict someone. What if taking the banks to trial revealed that certain Congressmen or administration officials were forcing the banks to do things that they really don't want revealed. Like sub-prime loans.

              Seems like we had a thread here a while ago where all of you libs were perfectly happy with the fact that someone settled with the government. You said it was the same as admitting guilt.

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                Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

                Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                It's an entertaining question but it's also grandstanding.

                The various regulatory agencies already have putative authority and regularly assess penalties. Directly suing a bank under that authority would be HIGHLY unusual especially because it would, by necessity, also involve exposing other regulatory agencies and the Fed to scrutiny. Now, if she wants to audit the Fed, the FRC, the SEC and the rest of the 30 or so regulatory agencies I'm all for it but I'm not holding my breath.
                But I think her point was that DA's across the country will often make examples out of individual citizens, but regulatory authorities - for whatever reason - don't make examples out of banks and like institutions. I think it's akin to saying that there is a clear double-standard between the right of justice afforded individuals vs corporations.

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                  Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

                  Originally posted by noahath View Post
                  Now I know Elizabeth Warren is held up as being a champion of the left, but I challenge any conservative to not applaud her simple question, and line of questioning in her first appearance as a member on the Senate Banking Committee. She repeatedly asks a panel of banking regulators when the last time they took a Wall Street firm to trial, and then highlights the example that everyday District Attorney's around the country take individual citizens to trial in order to make them an example.

                  The clip only goes for a touch over 3 minutes, but I think it's well worth watching. If this is an indication of what her senate career is going to be, then I think she's very soon going to become a champion of the American people, and not just those on the left.

                  Elizabeth Warren Asks The Most Obvious Question Ever And Stumps A Bunch Of Bank Regulators
                  It is a great question.

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                    Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

                    Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                    ahoy Noahath,

                    a really incredible clip, matey.

                    if there was a score runnin', some interestin' low-depth-'o-field camera work, and better lightin', it coulda been right outta some movie...the kind 'o movie whar i say, "why don't people say things like that in real life?".

                    she asks good questions.

                    welcome to the Senate, Mrs. Warren.

                    - MeadHallPirate
                    Although I don't live in her state, early on, I sent her campaign a few bucks. Money well spent, methinks.

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                      Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

                      Well, I worked on her campaign, and of course I voted for her, because from the first time I saw her her, she sounded like that, she cuts right through the bullshit.

                      Banks aren't paying 200 million dollar settlements if there isn't plenty of evidence of wrongdoing.
                      If people broke the law, should the people be punished? because the way it's happened, the stockholders have paid for the malfeasance, not the actual people who engaged in criminal behavior. Her point is, if you toss a couple of bankers in prison for a few years, the next time a banker has to choose between making a ten million dollar bonus, or following the law, he'll be more likely to follow the law.

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                        Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

                        I doubt you will see a lot of these people prosecuted. They know too much about the dirty laundry of our elected officials and the appointed bureaucrats. Remember what happened to Elliot Spitzer when he got over zealous in prosecuting rich people. Look what happened to JFK when he started to print money outside of the control of the Fed.

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                          Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

                          Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                          It's an entertaining question but it's also grandstanding.

                          The various regulatory agencies already have putative authority and regularly assess penalties. Directly suing a bank under that authority would be HIGHLY unusual especially because it would, by necessity, also involve exposing other regulatory agencies and the Fed to scrutiny. Now, if she wants to audit the Fed, the FRC, the SEC and the rest of the 30 or so regulatory agencies I'm all for it but I'm not holding my breath.
                          If there was an actual answer given by anyone of them then the whole thing would have been wrapped up simple.

                          For some reason you want the no regulation on Banking and leave it open to a free for all... Do you understand what banking does? Do you understand that the bonus schemes encourage short term views of the world?

                          Any one who wants less controls on banking is either:
                          1. Bribed or payed off by the banking lobby
                          2. Gains directly from the present system
                          3. Has an idealogical belief in Government control and are useful idiots

                          And by the way I worked in a number of Investment Banks (not the crappy retail kind) on trading floors (FX and Equity) and my views were shared.

                          Banks will do anything for money including wreaking society and the government they exsist in... They have proven time and time again that they pray to the dollar...

                          http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/op...ists.html?_r=0

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                            Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

                            Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                            If there was an actual answer given by anyone of them then the whole thing would have been wrapped up simple.

                            For some reason you want the no regulation on Banking and leave it open to a free for all... Do you understand what banking does? Do you understand that the bonus schemes encourage short term views of the world?

                            Any one who wants less controls on banking is either:
                            1. Bribed or payed off by the banking lobby
                            2. Gains directly from the present system
                            3. Has an idealogical belief in Government control and are useful idiots

                            And by the way I worked in a number of Investment Banks (not the crappy retail kind) on trading floors (FX and Equity) and my views were shared.

                            Banks will do anything for money including wreaking society and the government they exsist in... They have proven time and time again that they pray to the dollar...

                            http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/op...ists.html?_r=0
                            It was grandstanding in the fact that she already knew the answer to her question. If she was interested in solving the problem, she would have asked what the law needs to say to compel them to prosecute those she believes need to be prosecuted. I believe that out of court settlements in criminal cases is just plain wrong. If they are accusing the bankers of a criminal violation and not a civil violation, they should be prosecuting.

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                              Re: Elizabeth Warren asks the most obvious question ever

                              Originally posted by noahath View Post
                              But I think her point was that DA's across the country will often make examples out of individual citizens, but regulatory authorities - for whatever reason - don't make examples out of banks and like institutions. I think it's akin to saying that there is a clear double-standard between the right of justice afforded individuals vs corporations.
                              And yet... 'nobody' is taking the banks to trial. They 'settle' instead.

                              And yet... none of the really smart people here know why. I know why, why don't you?

                              Warren asked a 'really good' question for which I hope that she knew the answer to before she asked it. I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she did. Thus we will hear no more of this topic. He 'grand standing' is over on this topic... at least until the next election.

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