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  • Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

    Paul Ryan has a budget. It's a manefesto to the destruction of government. Anti-government crusaders like most of the far right ideologues here in this forum will LOVE it.



    His budget says this:

    The United States faces many challenges. This year, unemployment will hover around 8 percent, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Economic growth will remain tepid. The national debt recently eclipsed the size of our economy. Millions of families are stuck in foreclosure. Student loans are piling up. Gas prices are at historic highs. And soon, families will struggle with a new health-care bureaucracy, while medical costs further erode their paychecks.
    But what does it do about these problems? Virtually nothing. For all the hand-wringing about unemployment, nothing in his budget will create jobs. In fact it would probably cost jobs due to the steep austerity. He would slash student loan programs, so how is he helping with student loans that are "piling up?" I guess by ending any hope at all of college for millions of young Americans. VISION!
    He talks about health care costs, but fully 59 percent of Ryan’s savings come from new cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare or other health-care programs

    The nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that cuts on the order of what Ryan is proposing will mean around 30 million people lose their health-care coverage. PROGRESS!

    Why is all this sacrifice by America's most vulnerable population necessary? Here's Ryan's reason:
    Unless we change course, we will have a debt crisis. Pressed for cash, the government will take the easy way out: It will crank up the printing presses. The final stage of this intergenerational theft will be the debasement of our currency. Government will cheat us of our just rewards. Our finances will collapse. The economy will stall. The safety net will unravel. And the most vulnerable will suffer.
    (Other than the inflation, it kinda sounds like 2008...)

    This is right wing gibberish at it's most divorced from reality. Three years ago everyone said we needed $4 trillion in budget cuts to get on a more sustainable fiscal path. Well, we've achieved that. And yet Paul STILL isn't happy.

    Could it be that the deficit isn't really his agenda at all? Could it be, do you think, that his REAL agend all along has been to turn American into his vision of paradise on Earth, where there is little goverment beyond the military and a few traffic cops? And everyone else can just go to hell?
    Ryan was pushing this sick and twisted vision ever since he has been in Washington, even when we were running budget surplusses.

    He's never given a damn about the budget other than as a way to strangle its funding.
    Last edited by jpn; 03-12-2013, 11:02 PM.

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    Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

    Here's the thing about Ryans new budget, it produces a surplus in 10 years, his last budget took 40 years to produce a surplus.
    The difference, Ryan includes the higher taxes on the wealthy as part of his plan, and the savings produced by the ACA, even though he wants to repeal the ACA.

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      Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

      although i do not agree with all parts of his plan... at least he as one and parts of it have actually passed the house.... Obama CO has had no budget for 5 years and the only budget your president JPN offered failed to garner even democrat votes...

      Progressive beef with Ryan is he has the balls to actually put something out there while you and your ilk want no change spend spend spend spend and make the government enslave the people so you can always keep power...

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        Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

        How about we get a look at the Obama-Senate budget and then we can compare the two.

        Or if the Ryan budget is the only budget in the race then it wins by default.

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          Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

          Originally posted by Darth Hussein Omar View Post
          How about we get a look at the Obama-Senate budget and then we can compare the two.

          Or if the Ryan budget is the only budget in the race then it wins by default.
          Yeah, but here's the thing (in my best Adrian Monk voice): The Democrats won't release their budget until after the budget committee convenes... which means no public disclosure from the most open administration in history (allegedly).

          There are parts of Ryan's budget I don't like either, but 1) at least he has one and 2) he has put it out for public vetting well ahead of the budget committee meeting.

          As to jpn's clearly lopsided perspective that "fully 59 percent of Ryan’s savings come from new cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare or other health-care programs, he's right, well, sort of: Most of that "59%" comes from the elimination of Obamacare... most or all of the cuts to Medicare and/or Medicaid result from not needing the extra funding that Obamacare demands. But I particularly enjoyed his opening poison-the-well fallacy "Anti-government crusaders like most of the far right ideologues here in this forum will LOVE it."

          Who can argue with that.

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            Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

            As he said, the Democrat alternative is to crank up the printing presses and make our currency worthless resulting in a total financial collapse. I think the Democrats have finally realized that is the future and that's why they don't want to bring forward a budget.

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              I feel it is just too bad that the repubs and ryan don't have a serious bone in their bodies when it comes to actually solving problems. I am not sure why they put out such rubbish, as unless they control both congress and the oval office, it will never fly. The lion roars yet all he can produce is a damn mouse. What is the point here? To show how sillly the repubs can get? Or is he just constructing the worse possible solution in hopes that it will be compromised? The repubs have not shown a will to compromise, have they? The repubs must have too much time on their hands to waste it as they have done.

              They still have it in their little trite minds that ACA will be repealed! Wish for the moon, I reckon. Given the climate today, with the changing demographics, why don't they just shoot themselves publically in both feet and get it over with?

              The right side boys had their moments in the sun and they screwed it up. America is waking up, and the boys will be kicked to the curb from here on out, IMO. Such a party is best serving america from the minority, so as to eliminate the future damage they will inevitably do to this nation. These right side boys ain't serious about anything but poking a thumb in obama's eye, for sport and shits and giggles. All you have to do to actually see this clearly is watch Fox for a week, if you can stomach it for that long.

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                Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                As he said, the Democrat alternative is to crank up the printing presses and make our currency worthless resulting in a total financial collapse. I think the Democrats have finally realized that is the future and that's why they don't want to bring forward a budget.
                Apparently the people in charge of the printing presses have a plan, a goal, and it ain't to sink this ship. Unless you believe the dems are intent on sinking this ship, which is ludicrous. On the other hand the repubs are quite capable of such, as they wish to starve the beast, and they could give a hoot if millions suffer because of it, because their rich elite constituents will not feel the suffering as the rich seldom do. Shit flows downhill, always has. If you couldn't care less about the bottom of the hill, which the right side boys don't, you don't mind kicking tonnage of that shit down that hill.

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                  Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                  Apparently the people in charge of the printing presses have a plan, a goal, and it ain't to sink this ship. Unless you believe the dems are intent on sinking this ship, which is ludicrous. On the other hand the repubs are quite capable of such, as they wish to starve the beast, and they could give a hoot if millions suffer because of it, because their rich elite constituents will not feel the suffering as the rich seldom do. Shit flows downhill, always has. If you couldn't care less about the bottom of the hill, which the right side boys don't, you don't mind kicking tonnage of that shit down that hill.
                  While I don't think it is their intention to sink the ship, they have based their whole political strategy on buying votes with someone else's money. They have made promises they can't keep and now have no choice but to keep spending til the ship sinks under its own weight. There are only two alternatives. Either we cut spending or we keep spending. The latter will result in the ship sinking on its own.

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                    Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    I feel it is just too bad that the repubs and ryan don't have a serious bone in their bodies when it comes to actually solving problems. I am not sure why they put out such rubbish, as unless they control both congress and the oval office, it will never fly. The lion roars yet all he can produce is a damn mouse. What is the point here? To show how sillly the repubs can get? Or is he just constructing the worse possible solution in hopes that it will be compromised? The repubs have not shown a will to compromise, have they? The repubs must have too much time on their hands to waste it as they have done.

                    They still have it in their little trite minds that ACA will be repealed! Wish for the moon, I reckon. Given the climate today, with the changing demographics, why don't they just shoot themselves publically in both feet and get it over with?
                    You're wrong, in my opinion.

                    Democrats and liberals, including those in this community, long criticize the Republicans for not being willing to bring forth a budget plan of their own (mostly, though, they only say that when they have no cogent response for the Democrats lack of any budget at all in the last ...what ... 5 years). In fact, Paul Ryan has offered seven or eight budgets in the past 4 years, some of which might even have passed the House. Unfortunately, Hairless Reid chronically uses his veto power to stop them from even coming into the Senate (with his "DOA" comments most recently). So it would be hard to make the case that Ryan expects that somehow, magically, THIS one will get past the Senate (or even into it for debate). Ryan has effectively told congress, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" and move the ball up the field to the point that, now at long last, the democraps are "HEY, WHA'DYA KNOW" suddenly coming up with their own budget (color me NOT suprised).

                    Ryan is getting exactly the reaction he intended, IMO, and that reaction does NOT include a repeal of Obamacare. He built Obamacare repeal into his budget, knowing it would not get passed, because ... guess what: THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT ... and guess what has happened (the republicans got to talk about it now that it is becoming known it will cost much more than the democrats said it would)... The Republicans are talking about it at JUST the right time, too: At the time when the American citizens are realizing all the fluff and bluster about "Sequestration will kill gran'ma" (or whatever) was a lie.

                    The point, here, is that the Republicans just tried, successfully, to make the Democrats poop or get off the pot. I do not believe for a moment that Paul Ryan thinks his most recent budget proposal (which already has the democraps foaming at the mouth ... as expected) will go anywhere. BUT, at least he offers one (again).

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                      Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      While I don't think it is their intention to sink the ship, they have based their whole political strategy on buying votes with someone else's money. They have made promises they can't keep and now have no choice but to keep spending til the ship sinks under its own weight. There are only two alternatives. Either we cut spending or we keep spending. The latter will result in the ship sinking on its own.
                      I'm not so certain that it isn't to sin the ship. I've been told that there is viable comparison of driving the country into bankruptcy similar to what Stalin did, in order to impose a completely new order, but I've not taken that seriously enough to make a comparison.

                      If nothing else, with the nationalization of the healthcare system, the nationalization of the higher education system, the proposed universal childcare, the continued meddling in the schools, one can pretty easily make the case that Obama's 'fundamental change for America' is a European style social democracy with greater and greater state control and dictates over smaller and smaller details of the people's lives.

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                        Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

                        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                        I'm not so certain that it isn't to sin the ship. I've been told that there is viable comparison of driving the country into bankruptcy similar to what Stalin did, in order to impose a completely new order, but I've not taken that seriously enough to make a comparison.

                        If nothing else, with the nationalization of the healthcare system, the nationalization of the higher education system, the proposed universal childcare, the continued meddling in the schools, one can pretty easily make the case that Obama's 'fundamental change for America' is a European style social democracy with greater and greater state control and dictates over smaller and smaller details of the people's lives.
                        Bingo. We have a winner.

                        If that's not what he meant by 'fundamental change' then 'fundamental change' was empty rhetoric.

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                          Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

                          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                          I'm not so certain that it isn't to sin the ship. I've been told that there is viable comparison of driving the country into bankruptcy similar to what Stalin did, in order to impose a completely new order, but I've not taken that seriously enough to make a comparison.

                          If nothing else, with the nationalization of the healthcare system, the nationalization of the higher education system, the proposed universal childcare, the continued meddling in the schools, one can pretty easily make the case that Obama's 'fundamental change for America' is a European style social democracy with greater and greater state control and dictates over smaller and smaller details of the people's lives.
                          JUST to clarify, I "liked" this post because you're right ... not because I like it.

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                            Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

                            Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                            JUST to clarify, I "liked" this post because you're right ... not because I like it.
                            I don't like it either. Because becoming more like a western Europe Social Democracy, we are going to inherit all their structural problems as well. Things like:
                            • It's really hard for businesses to fire employees due to performance or business downturn, so consequently, they don't hire in the first place
                            • The taxes raise the cost of everything, and the consumer foots the bill
                            • Ridiculous regulations raise the cost of everything, and the consumer foots the bill
                            • Preeminence of the state of individual rights, choices, and responsibility, i.e. Nanny state
                            • Much slower to adopt to market changes and technical innovations

                            Pretty much every aspect where we, US, currently beat the hell out of them, and we are willingly, at least some of us anyway, giving up our advantages over them.

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                              Re: Lyin' Paul Ryan's Budget Flim Flam

                              In other words, no one in history has created the perfect economic/political climate.

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