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    I think there are one of two outcomes to the GOP manufactured crises coming next month. Either the country defaults on it's debt because the GOP held the debt ceiling hostage OR Boehner ditches the Hastert rule and begs Pelosi to help him pass a bill. The problem with option two is that the Tea Party will likely see that he is no longer speaker.

    Does anyone see any other avenue for this to play out? The Affordable Care Act will not be defunded (why would you remove healthcare from millions of people anyways). There is just no good solution for Boehner.

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    Yeah, one other option...the debt ceiling is raised, the CR is passed without ACA funding and no way does Obama veto it.

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      Originally posted by Danny View Post
      I think there are one of two outcomes to the GOP manufactured crises coming next month. Either the country defaults on it's debt because the GOP held the debt ceiling hostage OR Boehner ditches the Hastert rule and begs Pelosi to help him pass a bill. The problem with option two is that the Tea Party will likely see that he is no longer speaker.

      Does anyone see any other avenue for this to play out? The Affordable Care Act will not be defunded (why would you remove healthcare from millions of people anyways). There is just no good solution for Boehner.
      Why yes, Danny there is:

      Over the August recess, Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee built grass-roots momentum to defund ObamaCare through the continuing resolution that must pass by the end of September. Many commentators criticized the move, arguing that the Senate and Obama would never agree to defunding their signature policy achievement. Those commentators are missing the point. While there is no practical way to defund ObamaCare, since most of the spending supporting the law is mandatory and not subject to Congressional appropriations, the House move puts an unwelcome spotlight on several vulnerable Senate Democrats. They will be forced, just a little over a year ahead of mid-term elections, to again take a stand on ObamaCare.

      Republicans needs to pick up 6 seats to take control of the Senate. They are currently favored to pick up three seats, in West Virginia, South Dakota and Montana. Three more Democrat incumbents are endangered, Mark Pryor (AR), Mary Landrieu (LA) and Kay Hagen (NC). With the House action, all three will be forced to go on record, either supporting or opposing ObamaCare. It is not an easy choice.

      The full implementation of ObamaCare begins in two weeks. As the deadline approaches, polls show the health care law even more unpopular than when it was passed in 2010. At that time, problems with the law were abstract. Today, with employers cutting hours, shifting to part-time employees or dropping health coverage, the problems with the law are very real. Taking a vote now to continue with the law is the worst possible choice for Democrats up for reelection next year.

      Which is the entire point of this move by Sens. Cruz and Lee. The target isn't to rally the Tea Party or call out RINOs, it is to force Senate Democrats to again endorse ObamaCare. The media focus on a GOP internal civil war is meant to obscure this fact. Everyone cautioned the House GOP against this move, for the very reason that they didn't want the Senate to have to vote on the issue again.
      Maybe you haven't heard... Obamacare is a train wreck... millions of hard working folks are losing their health insurance because of it. Millions and millions will find out in a couple of weeks that they have little to no options with the exchanges and that's only if they actually work on Oct 1st... which they might not do at all.

      Boehner isn't going to lose his job... 6 or more (maybe a whole lot more) Democrats are going to lose theirs.

      Enjoy....

      Vulnerable Senate Democrats Stuck with ObamaCare

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        Danny, you need to read the http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/heal...good-news.html thread. Millions are losing their employer sponsored health care and will not be able to afford the premiums required by Obamacare because their hours are being cut.

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          tsquare, the ACA is not a trainwreck. That quote by Baucus was referring to what it could become with GOP sabotage, a factor which he now says won't happen.

          Conservative anti-Obamacare messaging reaching new heights on the unintentional comedy scale: Uncle Sam Obamacare gynecologist ad.

          When you have to lie about something to demonize it, chances are your probably not acting in the best interest of people. The GOP is actually arguing it's better for young people not to have any insurance whatsover than to get covered under the ACA. Why? because vaginal probes occur during routine health checkups. LOL

          The GOP is so afraid it might actually work that they are freaking out. NO, millions of people aren't losing their coverage as you read on Breitbart.

          The ACA is the most important piece of legislation to pass in decades. While marginally flawed, the good this has already started to do and will eventually do is undeniable.

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            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            Danny, you need to read the http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/heal...good-news.html thread. Millions are losing their employer sponsored health care and will not be able to afford the premiums required by Obamacare because their hours are being cut.
            I don't have time to read a 13 page thread (I don't even have time to make this post) but I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that the claim you made is false. It's just not happening.

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              Originally posted by Danny View Post
              I don't have time to read a 13 page thread (I don't even have time to make this post) but I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that the claim you made is false. It's just not happening.
              Then you are just sticking your head in the sand and drinking the Kool Aid through a straw.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Danny View Post
                tsquare, the ACA is not a trainwreck. That quote by Baucus was referring to what it could become with GOP sabotage, a factor which he now says won't happen.

                Conservative anti-Obamacare messaging reaching new heights on the unintentional comedy scale: Uncle Sam Obamacare gynecologist ad.

                When you have to lie about something to demonize it, chances are your probably not acting in the best interest of people. The GOP is actually arguing it's better for young people not to have any insurance whatsover than to get covered under the ACA. Why? because vaginal probes occur during routine health checkups. LOL

                The GOP is so afraid it might actually work that they are freaking out. NO, millions of people aren't losing their coverage as you read on Breitbart.

                The ACA is the most important piece of legislation to pass in decades. While marginally flawed, the good this has already started to do and will eventually do is undeniable.
                Danny: no time to read thirteen pages?

                Okay... just read this:

                Walgreen Co. (WAG), the biggest U.S. drugstore chain, will move its workers into a private health insurance exchange to buy company-subsidized coverage, the latest sign of how the debate over Obamacare is accelerating a historic shift in corporate health-care coverage.

                About 160,000 Walgreen employees now have to choose which coverage plan suits them best at a time of rising complexity in the health-care system. While Walgreen said it will provide funding in 2014 equal to what workers get now, the move curtails uncertainty on future outlays, and there’s no guarantee the company’s contribution will rise if premiums do.
                And this:

                The AFL-CIO approved a resolution saying that President Obama's health care overhaul will drive up the costs of union-sponsored health plans to the point that workers and employers are forced to abandon them.

                In a strongly worded resolution released Wednesday, the federation said that labor unions still support the Affordable Care Act's overall goals of reducing health costs and bringing coverage to all Americans, but added that the law is being implemented in a way that is "highly disruptive" to union health care plans.
                4 paragraphs... Unions Danny! Union in open revolt over this! Wake up man!



                Walgreen Joins in Exodus of Workers to Private Exchanges - Bloomberg

                Read more: AFL-CIO calls ObamaCare &#39;highly disruptive&#39; to union health plans | Fox News

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                  Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                  Danny: no time to read thirteen pages?

                  Okay... just read this:



                  And this:



                  4 paragraphs... Unions Danny! Union in open revolt over this! Wake up man!



                  Walgreen Joins in Exodus of Workers to Private Exchanges - Bloomberg

                  Read more: AFL-CIO calls ObamaCare 'highly disruptive' to union health plans | Fox News


                  OMG tsaqure people being moved off corporate plans and into the private exchanges that they can now afford is how the law was intended to work!! It relieves the burden off companies AND you have coverage regardless if you get fired or are between jobs. Conservatives just read it as "employers dropping coverage" and they yell: "see see we told you so" not realizing they look like idiots.

                  In your very post, it says the unions still support the law. There is no "revolt". Sure some tweaks could be made because nothing is perfect but again, my prior statement stands.

                  Here is a little reading to educate you conservatives over how the ACA is working. I'm so sorry for you that your country is going to do better because of Obama. It will be ok.

                  Trader Joe's Is Dropping Coverage For Some Part Time Workers -- And That Means Obamacare Is Working | ThinkProgress

                  ....
                  Now, employers like Trader Joe’s don’t have to offer health coverage to Americans at these income levels anymore. That’s because the employees will soon have a place to buy affordable insurance: Obamacare’s statewide marketplaces. Plans sold through the marketplaces must offer robust benefits across ten broad categories, including for hospital visits, mental health services, and prescription drug coverage.
                  ....
                  What this goes to show is that Obamacare will finally create a workable insurance market for the very people that have never had access to one. That’s a boon to employers like Trader Joe’s, who will no longer have to go the extra mile to pay for part-time workers’ health benefits. It’s especially good news for the working poor at other companies that don’t already provide part-time benefits, who have had to largely forgo health coverage for decades due to a lack of affordable options.

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                    Originally posted by Danny View Post
                    OMG tsaqure people being moved off corporate plans and into the private exchanges that they can now afford is how the law was intended to work!! It relieves the burden off companies AND you have coverage regardless if you get fired or are between jobs. Conservatives just read it as "employers dropping coverage" and they yell: "see see we told you so" not realizing they look like idiots.

                    In your very post, it says the unions still support the law. There is no "revolt". Sure some tweaks could be made because nothing is perfect but again, my prior statement stands.

                    Here is a little reading to educate you conservatives over how the ACA is working. I'm so sorry for you that your country is going to do better because of Obama. It will be ok.

                    Trader Joe's Is Dropping Coverage For Some Part Time Workers -- And That Means Obamacare Is Working | ThinkProgress
                    I just hope progressive supporters of this plan think like you Danny, because if they do and even a few sit home next November, the last sunami seen here in congress will be nothing compared to the one that will happen-)

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                    • #11
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                      Danny,

                      Is it possible for anyone to have legitimate reasons to oppose raising the debt limit yet again so we can incur more and more debt very year?

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                        Originally posted by Danny View Post
                        OMG tsaqure people being moved off corporate plans and into the private exchanges that they can now afford is how the law was intended to work!! It relieves the burden off companies AND you have coverage regardless if you get fired or are between jobs. Conservatives just read it as "employers dropping coverage" and they yell: "see see we told you so" not realizing they look like idiots.

                        In your very post, it says the unions still support the law. There is no "revolt". Sure some tweaks could be made because nothing is perfect but again, my prior statement stands.

                        Here is a little reading to educate you conservatives over how the ACA is working. I'm so sorry for you that your country is going to do better because of Obama. It will be ok.

                        Trader Joe's Is Dropping Coverage For Some Part Time Workers -- And That Means Obamacare Is Working | ThinkProgress
                        The National "Exchange" doesn't even exist yet and only 12 states, from my understanding, even plan to offer them. And the unions are very, very, unhappy with Obamacare right now. Obama had to personally intervene in the AFLCIO convention's effort to ask for repeal and when the convention was over, he dumped them.

                        Behind The Scenes Of Obama's Effort To Prevent The AFL-CIO From Resolving To Repeal Obamacare - Forbes

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by Danny View Post
                          OMG tsaqure people being moved off corporate plans and into the private exchanges that they can now afford is how the law was intended to work!! It relieves the burden off companies AND you have coverage regardless if you get fired or are between jobs. Conservatives just read it as "employers dropping coverage" and they yell: "see see we told you so" not realizing they look like idiots.

                          In your very post, it says the unions still support the law. There is no "revolt". Sure some tweaks could be made because nothing is perfect but again, my prior statement stands.

                          Here is a little reading to educate you conservatives over how the ACA is working. I'm so sorry for you that your country is going to do better because of Obama. It will be ok.
                          Ahhh... but of course that doesn't explain just why 60% of everyone wants out. Nor does it begin to explain why union leadership wants out. Nor does it explain why Congressional staffs want out.

                          Nor does it explain why Obama has, illegally mind you, delayed implementation of the law. Nor does it come close to saying that the exchanges will actually work come Oct 1st.

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                            Originally posted by Danny View Post
                            I think there are one of two outcomes to the GOP manufactured crises coming next month. Either the country defaults on it's debt because the GOP held the debt ceiling hostage OR Boehner ditches the Hastert rule and begs Pelosi to help him pass a bill. The problem with option two is that the Tea Party will likely see that he is no longer speaker.

                            Does anyone see any other avenue for this to play out? The Affordable Care Act will not be defunded (why would you remove healthcare from millions of people anyways). There is just no good solution for Boehner.
                            One, your lord Obama has more of a play in this "manufactured crisis" than Boehner. Interesting who you offer is really holding this nation hostage, but predictable from you. Two, if his job is at risk odds are it will be because of prior attempts at trying to deal with Obama.

                            The only avenue for this to play out is a continuation of what this group has been doing since the Budget Control Act of 2011, terrible deals with even more terrible consequences for someone else to deal with.

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                              Re: Boehner's job

                              I'm sort of looking forward to a government shutdown.

                              When people figure out they don't need government, they might learn to value something else.

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