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  • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

    Originally posted by Good1 View Post
    AH ... and thank you for that, but perhaps I should explain further?

    This 2D medium is loathesome when it comes to using body language and facial expressions to convey meaning. I was not (and am not) angry with Matt, per se. In fact, I really do enjoy his perspective on many topics, even the ones on which we disagree.

    My ire was more kindled at the words he used and the accusations/inferences he made (as I have been in the past with others who have made the same kinds of inferences/accusations). So I apologize to those I offended with my written "tone" and particularly to Matt if he was taken aback at my invective. I intended no offense, but did intend to take issue with his statements.
    I, too, apologize. My use of the singular pronoun "you" should have been "people", as I do not know what you teach your kids, and I did not intend to imply that you were teaching them anything improper.




    • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

      Originally posted by Good1 View Post
      So help me understand here: Are you saying rational thought cannot (or does not) include morality? That doesn't sound right, so maybe you're saying something else(?).

      In your suggestion that moral values will not convince homosexuals to not be homosexuals, I think you're putting the cart before the horse. IF morality was a consideration in the first place, sin would not be engaged at all. So from my perception, the existence of "sin" is inversely proportional to the imporance of morality in a given society. Looking at it from a purely theological perspective, though, only one sin in an otherwise spotless, blemish-free life is sufficient to send the actor to Hell (which is, at least, absolute separation from God, but could be much more). But from a practical standpoint, no one has ever been able to limit their sin to just one act ... every one of us sin every day but it is only man who puts "greater" or "lesser" values on sin. From God's perspective, ALL sin separates us from Him. He has decided He cannot look on (any) sin; couple that with the fact that no one can live sin-free and you see His Dilemma: HE wants eternal fellowship with us, but we are incapable of getting our lives to the point where we can join Him in that fellowship.


      So something extra ... something divine had to be done: Enter [light] Jesus who is God and who CAN live as a man but without sin. And when He has proven that it can be done and He has lived a blemish-free life, He is the only man in history (both past and future) who has ever been qualified to be the spotless sacrifice: THE ONE being who has a right, by his sinlessness, to fellowship with God (who ... He is) so He dies on the cross to cover the sins of all mankind: The ultimate sacrificial lamb, dies to save the world, once and for all.

      Now, because of that, God calls us into fellowship that HE KNOWS we can now join, through Jesus Christ.

      But, sigh ... the choice rests irrevocably with us and, unfortunately, some will NOT choose Jesus (which is, in itself, a choice).

      <SO ... how'd I get up on this soap box?>
      No soap box, I do not feel preached to, nothing to worry about there my friend.

      If anything I am saying religion does not own morality. Rational people can agree that it is wrong to harm one another, steal from one another, rape someone, murder someone, and so forth. There is a series of law rational people can agree to without it being sourced from religion (or, that religion owns law we should live by.)

      In my opinion the idea that we obtain a moral compass from religion causes more harm than good. History of how religion has been used is on my side. Further I would argue we really do not get moral compass from religion, we apply it based on ideology at the time. Take any of the three monotheistic religions and they are filled with examples of harsh treatment for not agreeing with moral authority (of course in the context of the time period in which those texts were written.) We pick from religion what we desire to follow at any given time, which probably explains greatly why these texts have survived the ages with such influence.

      Compare today to 200 years ago, here in the US and in some respects the world scale. We see far less institutionalized racism (redundant, I know) than we did just 50 years ago, let alone 200 years ago right here in the US. At least outside of the world of Islam, we are far less sexists than we were 200 years ago. While some nations still struggle with the idea we have far greater science to explain why we should be more observant of ecology, zoology, environmental sciences, sociology, and so forth. Every bit of that is societal driven, and has little to do with religion. The real moral compass of any person in a society has more influence today form that society of rational thought, which evolves over time. Tolerance today in the US even means something different than it did 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 200 years ago. I would argue that is in spite of religion, not because of its proclaimed benevolence.


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        Let's get this thread back on topic. We have all strayed from the OP and should return to the topic.


        • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

          On Friday, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, the Texas Democrat once dubbed the "Congressional Boss from Hell," told the National Review Online that the millions of cancellation notices sent out by insurance companies are lies.

          The cancellation notice was not the truth, she said. It should have been: We intend to or expect to modify your insurance.

          Cancellations, she explained, is what happens when you dont pay your premium, or something has happened in the bad old days. But, she added, that's not what's happening with the notices that have been sent to millions of Americans.

          A cancellation notice was the inappropriate document to send without notice, she added. All they had to do is (say) that, This is a notice to say that were going to improve your insurance, not, in essence, eliminate your insurance.

          According to the NRO, Jackson Lee said she wrote an amendment before Obama's announcement forcing insurance companies to tell the truth, apparently unaware that insurance companies are some of the most heavily regulated in the country.

          Instead of sending out cancellation notices as the law required, Jackson Lee said companies should have told consumers things are getting better.
          Sheila Jackson Lee: Insurance cancellation notices are lies - National Policy & Issues |

          You'd think that before she went and shot her mouth off this that, she'd at least fact check with her staff. Or has she adopted the Obama style of leadership?


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            Education Secretary Arne Duncan told a group of state schools superintendents:

            “fascinating” that some of the opposition to the Common Core State Standards has come from “white suburban moms who — all of a sudden — their child isn’t as brilliant as they thought they were, and their school isn’t quite as good as they thought they were.”

            THIS is what happens with you move someone from Chicago to Washington DC! You let one of 'em get in, and pretty soon, the place is overrun with cockroaches.

            Idiots, I'm tellin' ya: Ever' last one of 'em.


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              WINFREY: Im saying problem not solved. Im saying that, you know, thats the beauty of a film like The Butler, and its the beauty of a film like 12 Years a Slave, and its the beauty of what were seeing on stage with Scottsboro Boys is that it allows people to see where the root of the problem started. It allows people to see, Oh, thats where it all started, this is how far weve come, and now this is how much farther we need to go. Of course problem is not solved. You know, as long as people can be judged by the color of their skin, problems not solved. As long as there are people who still, theres a whole generation I say this, you know, I said this, you know, for apartheid South Africa, I said this for my own, you know, community in the south - there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die.
              . . . .
              WINFREY: Has it ever crossed my mind? Its crossed my mind probably as many times as its crossed your mind. Probably its crossed my mind more times than its crossed your mind. Just the level of disrespect. When the Senator yelled out, Youre a liar. Remember that? Yeah, I think that there is a level of disrespect for the office that occurs, and that occurs in some cases and maybe even many cases because hes African-American.

              It is patently absurd to suggest that racism is caused by old white people when racism and religious bigotry cut across all generations and ethnicities.
              . . . .
              What Winfrey conveniently ignores is that she endorsed and campaigned for Obama BECAUSE he was an African-American. He wouldn't have gotten her support or been elected if he wasn't.

              More importantly, if he was just some white guy from Chicago that nobody had ever heard of, he never would have beaten Hillary Clinton in 2008.

              How sad that she forgets that.

              But that's not the saddest part about folks like Winfrey throwing the race card this way.

              Imagine the headlines and the positive example Winfrey could have set by telling people the truth.

              Is that just too difficult for her? Doesn't she know that every time she dishonestly throws the race card, she's undermining a solution?

              Oh. That's right. Her solution is that generations of racists have to die to solve the problem.

              Unfortunately, with folks like her out there fanning the fires of discontent, they're inculcating new generations with racist thoughts thereby making it necessary for A LOT of generations to die off before this problem ever gets solved.
              Oprah: Racists Have to Die for Racism to End | NewsBusters

              Pretty dumb, I'd have to say.


              • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                Oprah is a racist, so is she saying she needs to die?


                • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                  Originally posted by 9aces View Post
                  Oprah is a racist, so is she saying she needs to die?
                  Meh. If she's so inclined.


                  • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                    Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                    All it takes is for that first person ... and we're WAY past that first person, now ... to start grabbing for all the toys: In moments, everyone has to start grabbing for the toys, too, or get "left out."

                    Personally, when I see people like Obama and Oprah grabbing for the toys, I choose to stay out of the grabbing.


                    • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                      Sebeliuss claim that insurance premiums are 16 percent lower than CBO projected
                      Rated as

                      Must be the administration up to their usual tricks.


                      • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                        Sebelius’s claim that insurance premiums are 16 percent lower than CBO projected
                        Rated as

                        Must be the administration up to their usual tricks.
                        Aren't percentages FUN!

                        All that means is that the Insurance premiums were projected to be whoppers ... but came in 16% lower than whoppers, making them only humongous.


                        • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                          Pelosi is still making stupid statements. Now she says people are going to love Obamacare once they find out what's in it. She ignores the fact that she has admitted that she hasn't read it.


                          • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                            Pelosi is still making stupid statements. Now she says people are going to love Obamacare once they find out what's in it. She ignores the fact that she has admitted that she hasn't read it.
                            And the fact that there are people who have been forced to deal with it and don't like what they find in it.

                            Yup. She's parked her brain. You can tell. There's light shining through from one ear to the other.


                            • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                              Here we can get a glimpse of just how hard the media was shoving Obamacare down everyone's throats.
                              What They Said Before the Train Wreck: The Top 10 Worst Quotes Pushing ObamaCare
                              By Geoffrey Dickens, 11/18/2013
                              What They Said Before the Train Wreck: The Top 10 Worst Quotes Pushing ObamaCare | Media Research Center

                              While the liberal media may finally be admitting the obvious -- that the ObamaCare rollout has been an embarrassing, botched failure that has thrown millions off their insurance -- thats not what they were predicting about the Affordable Care Act when it was first introduced. Not long ago, they assured their viewers that they could keep their health plans if they liked them; predicted Americans would embrace ObamaCare once they experienced it; and even claimed it would reduce the deficit. They also warned any obstruction of ObamaCare by conservatives would result in the death of children and the end of America as a world power.

                              The following is a Top 10 List of the Worst Liberal Media Quotes Pushing ObamaCare:

                              10. Dont Believe the Noise About Not Being Able to Keep Your Healthcare Plan
                              Don't Believe the 'Noise' About Not Being Able to Keep Your Healthcare Plan | MRCTV
                              Barack Obama: If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.
                              Correspondent David Wright: And thats true for 95 percent of people. According to the Congressional Budget Office, an estimated nine million people who currently have insurance through their jobs would end up changing their insurance plans, but not necessarily changing their doctors....The facts are, the bill includes tax breaks and mandates designed to prevent a mass exodus from the current employer-based system. But finding the facts in the midst of the noise can be difficult.
                              ABCs David Wright on the August 11, 2009 World News fact-checking opponents claims that people will be thrown off their insurance.

                              9. You Seniors Are Going to Like ObamaCare
                              You Seniors Are Going to Like Like Obamacare | MRCTV
                              Millions of seniors are about to get their first taste of health care reform, and a lot of them will probably like it. For the first time, the 45 million seniors on Medicare can get free annual physicals, no more co-payments. Theyll get free screenings for diabetes and cancer....Advocates say most of these first provisions taking effect are quite popular and will be hard for anyone to take away.
                              Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson on the December 31, 2010 CBS Evening News.

                              8. If Only Stupid Public Realized How Great ObamaCare Is
                              If Only Stupid Public Realized How Great ObamaCare Is | MRCTV
                              The history of big social legislation like this is that there is this period before it kicks in, before people get used to the benefits, where theres a lot of anxiety....Theres a lot of anxiety in the public, but theres not a sense of all the good things that could come.
                              New York Times correspondent Matt Bai on ABCs This Week, April 1, 2012.

                              7. Yes We Did...Ruin Americas Health Care System
                              Yes, we did.....Without this concrete achievement, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi kept warning her troops, Democrats would have been stuck with their votes for reform bills and nothing to show for them. The real and imagined flaws of their proposed system would have been hung around their necks, yet they would have had no way of demonstrating its advantages. With success comes the chance to defend what is, in many of its particulars, the sort of plan a majority of Americans said they wanted. Yes, it is imperfect and it wont come cheap. But it fills a gaping hole in the American social insurance system. It affords protections that Americans had long hoped for against insurance-company practices that could deny them coverage. It also grants the security of knowing that sickness would not carry the threat of bankruptcy....By temperament, the president is more a consensus builder than a warrior. But he is also a practical man who wants to accomplish big things. On Sunday, he did just that on health care, and he earned a place in history.
                              Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne in a March 22, 2010 column.

                              6. Just Wait Until Public Sees How Much ObamaCare is Going to Benefit Them
                              Just Wait Until Public Sees How Much ObamaCare is Going to Benefit Them | MRCTV
                              On health care thats partly a failure of communication, it seem to me. How do you go a year and a half where so many Americans dont even understand the benefits of this legislation when they apply to them?
                              New York Times columnist Tom Friedman on NBCs Meet the Press, April 1, 2012.

                              5. NBC Doc: If We Dont Get ObamaCare Passed Were Not Going to be A Great World Power
                              As a physician, you know, I felt like I understood the complexity of the problem. As an American citizen, I was rooting for the President to hit a home run....Were going to pay big time if we dont get this [Obamas health care plan]. I dont think were going to be a great world power.
                              NBC medical correspondent Dr. Nancy Snyderman on a special edition of MSNBCs Hardball following President Obamas July 22, 2009 press conference.

                              4. ObamaCare Will Reduce the Deficit!
                              ObamaCare Will Reduce the Deficit! | MRCTV
                              The Senate Finance Committee said today it will vote on its reform plan next week, and according to a new report from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the plan costs less than expected and would actually reduce the deficit. So why do Republicans still oppose it?
                              Fill-in anchor Maggie Rodriguez on the CBS Evening News, October 8, 2009.

                              3. Once Morons Understand ObamaCare, Theyll Be Thrilled
                              ABC News Veteran: People Will Like ObamaCare "Once They See What's In It" | MRCTV
                              A lot of people are going to like [the health care bill] a whole lot once they see whats in it. For the first time, its got some long-term care in it, which everybody is desperate for as the population gets older. Its paid for, totally paid-for long-term care insurance. So, I think that theres a lot in the bill that people are going to like. Its just a question of understanding it.
                              ABCs Cokie Roberts on This Week, December 20, 2009.

                              2. Failure to Uphold ObamaCare = Death Sentence for Toddler
                              Failure to Uphold ObamaCare = Death Sentence for Toddler | MRCTV
                              CNN senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen: These nine Supreme Court Justices will forever affect the life of 3-year-old Violet McManus. [to Julie Walters, Violets mother] Are you worried about what the Supreme Court might do?
                              Julie Walters: Im really scared. Very scared. Like, I cant sleep scared.
                              Cohen: Violets mother, Julie, knows if the Justices overturn health care reform, Violet will lose her health insurance. [to Walters] Tell me why its scary for you.
                              Walters: Our daughter could die and theres nothing we can do about it.
                              CNN Newsroom, March 27, 2012.

                              1. Ignore Republican Lies: ObamaCare Is Best Thing in 50 Years
                              Ignore Republican Lies: ObamaCare Is Best Thing in 50 Years | MRCTV
                              [Republicans] have spent their summer running around the country at town halls lying about ObamaCare. Im not going to let them off the hook....Make no mistake. ObamaCare saves lives and it is good for America. You know, so much of what we see in the news is negative. But you know what? Its not negative. This is the most positive thing that this country has done since the civil rights legislation that was passed back in the 60s. And, of course, we know theyre trying to go after that, too.
                              Ed Schultz on MSNBCs The Ed Show, August 26, 2013.

                              BONUS QUOTE: is So Easy to Use
                              Ed Schultz: is so 'Easy' to Use | MRCTV
                              This is the Web site folks, If you go to this Web site, you will find out how easy it is to read, how easy it is to navigate all the information, all the basic questions, and all the direction you need to take to get involved, to get health care. This is a great guide, if I may say, for any of you out there who feel so confused by all of these right-wing commercials that are just permeating through your television screen.
                              Host Ed Schultz on MSNBCs The Ed Show, September 30, 2013.
                              What They Said Before the Train Wreck: The Top 10 Worst Quotes Pushing ObamaCare | Media Research Center

                              It'd be worth noting who exactly was shilling and carrying the Obama administration's water, so as not to trust another thing they say for the rest of their journalistic careers. After all, they've invalidated themselves.


                              • Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                                Best all-time quote before O-Care passed: "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy"

                                And that old crow was standing up JUST THIS WEEK on Meet the Press, defending the most idiotic statement ever uttered in American politics.

                                I can tell she's lying because her lips are moving.