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  • #31
    Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

    Originally posted by Good1 View Post
    Come on, Noah: Foul ball!

    You have all the opportunity in the world to open your own thread for dumb things Conservatives say ... and I'm sure a lot will join you over there.
    I could counter with something like, "I'm not as petty as that, and I'd rather see the Forum filled with intelligent threads, rather than asinine ones like this," but then again ... Perhaps if our conservative posters are so much better than our (few remaining) liberal ones, then maybe they could prove it by starting adult threads about political issues? Just a thought.

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    • #32
      Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

      Originally posted by noahath View Post
      I could counter with something like, "I'm not as petty as that, and I'd rather see the Forum filled with intelligent threads, rather than asinine ones like this," but then again ... Perhaps if our conservative posters are so much better than our (few remaining) liberal ones, then maybe they could prove it by starting adult threads about political issues? Just a thought.

      I guess that's your contribution to this thread.

      I've seen some pretty stupid liberal started threads. Maybe I should go complain on them.

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      • #33
        Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

        Originally posted by reality View Post
        Hate to disagree with you (not really) but I was responding to a particular post. YOURS. You stated Christ didn't come to change any of the laws etc... except that he did change the laws. He replaced the thousand+ rules of the old testament with "Love your neighbor as yourself.".
        I'm well aware of what the stoning (or lack thereof) and His statement meant. He was saying "You people are a bunch of rabid animals and filthy sinners all, none of you better than this strumpet, but you don't see me smiting the shit out of you. Leave the skank alone and let me handle it in my own way as I am God and you are not, or maybe I will start casting the first stone on the lot of you."
        Which goes directly against the law as written. So he DID change it. You can call that "fulfilling" (when what they mean by fulfilling is the prophecy of the messiah) or whatever semantic game you want to play to make yourself feel better about your belief system. Doesn't change what happened (or rather what happened was change).
        He took us from a strict rules lawyer style system laid out in a religious text to a personal relationship with one's own deity to whom one is solely accountable for judgement. That is the whole point of "judge not lest ye be judged". Those that are in glass houses should sit down and be quiet about the failings of others. "Thou hypocrite, remove the beam from thine own eye before complaining about the speck in your brother's". What does that say to you when coupled with his other statements? To me it says "you are a sinner. you are damned except for I save you. So shut the fuck up and play nice, and quit being such a dick about it."

        Also, the "render unto caesar" quote can be taken a different way. God is God. Everything is God's. Nothing rightly belongs to man, not even Caesar. But then one would have to truly understand and believe the Word to catch that and the Pharisees don't strike me as those sort of people. They tried to catch him with a word game, he answered honestly and still tripped them up without compromising his views or lying (which is a sin).



        yeah hilary has some good ones. another fav of mine isn't so much a quote but her reaction to losing a state primary where she cried like a little girl that nobody liked her.
        Far be it from me to chalk this up to yet another stupid thing a conservative says (when starting a thread about something stupid a liberal says) but maybe smiting him is valid and i appreciate the observation from you on this one. +1 for the Hillary point, too.

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        • #34
          Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

          Originally posted by Good1 View Post
          Come on, Noah: Foul ball!
          You know a lot of right wingers don't do this but you do get the odd one who gets all nasty and tough and snarly and then whines and complains / cries foul the minute someone calls them out on it.

          Credit to some of the right wing staff, if they get called out on stuff, they slug it out and fight their fight. They don't complain / whine / cry foul etc. They can suck it up...you on the other hand can dish it out, but you can't handle it when someone calls you out on it.

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          • #35
            Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

            Originally posted by reality View Post
            Hate to disagree with you (not really) but I was responding to a particular post. YOURS. You stated Christ didn't come to change any of the laws etc... except that he did change the laws. He replaced the thousand+ rules of the old testament with "Love your neighbor as yourself.".
            I'm well aware of what the stoning (or lack thereof) and His statement meant. He was saying "You people are a bunch of rabid animals and filthy sinners all, none of you better than this strumpet, but you don't see me smiting the shit out of you. Leave the skank alone and let me handle it in my own way as I am God and you are not, or maybe I will start casting the first stone on the lot of you."
            Which goes directly against the law as written. So he DID change it. You can call that "fulfilling" (when what they mean by fulfilling is the prophecy of the messiah) or whatever semantic game you want to play to make yourself feel better about your belief system. Doesn't change what happened (or rather what happened was change).
            He took us from a strict rules lawyer style system laid out in a religious text to a personal relationship with one's own deity to whom one is solely accountable for judgement. That is the whole point of "judge not lest ye be judged". Those that are in glass houses should sit down and be quiet about the failings of others. "Thou hypocrite, remove the beam from thine own eye before complaining about the speck in your brother's". What does that say to you when coupled with his other statements? To me it says "you are a sinner. you are damned except for I save you. So shut the fuck up and play nice, and quit being such a dick about it."

            Also, the "render unto caesar" quote can be taken a different way. God is God. Everything is God's. Nothing rightly belongs to man, not even Caesar. But then one would have to truly understand and believe the Word to catch that and the Pharisees don't strike me as those sort of people. They tried to catch him with a word game, he answered honestly and still tripped them up without compromising his views or lying (which is a sin).



            yeah hilary has some good ones. another fav of mine isn't so much a quote but her reaction to losing a state primary where she cried like a little girl that nobody liked her.
            You should probably do a little research and study before you go too far in interpreting the Bible. The Judge not phrase is often taken out of context. Christ fulfilled the law of the old testament. It was no longer necessary to follow the laws of sacrifice. Read Hebrews.

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            • #36
              Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              You should probably do a little research and study before you go too far in interpreting the Bible. The Judge not phrase is often taken out of context. Christ fulfilled the law of the old testament. It was no longer necessary to follow the laws of sacrifice. Read Hebrews.
              Yeah dude I have. I was raised in the church. I was picked for the advanced bible study. I've read it cover to cover multiple times.
              Just because I come up with something different than your opinion on it, doesn't mean I haven't read it or don't understand it. Did you ever think that perhaps the gap in understanding was yours?

              How have I taken Judge not out of context? Enlighten me.

              Christ made the law of the old testament null. No longer necessary. He superceded it and replaced it with a simpler version. That doesn't mean he "fulfilled" anything but the prophecy of the Messiah.
              Its not just about the sacrifice no longer being necessary. Its about a relaxing of many of the prohibtions and ridiculousness of the old testament. That isn't fulfilling the law. That's CHANGING it.
              Which He can do. You know.... because he's God incarnate.

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              • #37
                Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                Congratulations, Tom: You just made the list of "Dumb things Liberals Say!"

                IMO, if you're going to try to argue Biblical concepts, you should read the whole Bible, and not just cherry-pick those snippets you believe supports your position.

                In your statement here, you twist concepts together to make your case but anyone here who is even passingly familiar with Scripture knows you're talking through your hat. SO:

                • Matthew 5:17-20 reveals to us Jesus' perspective on The Law. Simply put, He came to fulfill the law, not to abolish or replace it. So, since He supports the law, please cross-reference Leviticus 18:22 for God's perspective on homosexuality (which is shared by Jesus, of course).
                • Jesus speaks frequently about feeding the poor and taking care of the widows and orphans. But He was not speaking to governments: HE was speaking to His followers individually. He told ME to look after the poor ... and He told Dan to look out for the poor (et al) ... What He did not say was "Give your money to the government so they can feed the poor."
                • I do not wonder what Jesus would do. I'm pretty sure what he would do.

                I'm not going to have some long detail conversation with you concerning the Bible or theology, I doubt you have the background to follow me. However, I will take issue with what I've bolded above.

                I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church, from age 6 to 19 I attended Sunday school, Church, Bible Study, Training Union, and was a member of the Royal Ambassadors. At that time I read the RSV and The Good News which at that time was NT only

                In my 20's I became an Episcopalian. I attended three different Adult Confirmation Classes at three different Churches with different perspectives. For several years I attended lectures by Phd theologians from a prominent Catholic University (I'm not or have I ever been Catholic) I attended Bible study. At that time I read the Living Bible and the New Jerusalem Bible. I left the Church in my late 20's.

                I returned to the Episcopal Church in my 40's, attended more lectures and Bible Study, the Bethel Bible Series, and helped my wife in writing papers for her minor on theology. I've played music in Churches for about 10 years and have written Christian music. I have family members who are missionaries.

                Just because I and quite a few others have a different view it isn't from our lack of knowledge, more probably because we have more extensive knowledge. It may come as a surprise to you but there are many people in the world who consider themselves Christian who have a different perspective than you.

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                • #38
                  Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                  Here's some good Bushisms:

                  "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

                  "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

                  "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."—Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

                  "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

                  "They misunderestimated me."—Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000
                  The top 25 Bushisms of all time.

                  A lot of people might say Bush isn't a liberal, but clearly liberals are the only ones who say dumb shit so obviously he's a liberal.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                    Originally posted by AJG View Post
                    Here's some good Bushisms:



                    The top 25 Bushisms of all time.

                    A lot of people might say Bush isn't a liberal, but clearly liberals are the only ones who say dumb shit so obviously he's a liberal.
                    He's a neocon statist asswipe. One tends to resemble the other but for superficial differences.


                    also: Stra-tee-ger-ee

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                    • #40
                      Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

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                      From our president, just yesterday:

                      “We need you to spread the word. But you don't have to take my word for it. If you've talked to somebody who said, well, I don't know, I was watching Fox News, and they said this was horrible [the transcript records “laughter, boos”] and you can say, ‘you know what? Don't take my word for it. Go on the website. See for yourself what the prices are. See for yourself what the choices are. Then make up your own mind. Just make — that's all I'm asking. Make up your own mind.’
                      “Some of the tea party's biggest donors, some of the wealthiest men in America, are funding a cynical ad campaign trying to convince young people not to buy health care at all. I mean, think about it. These are billionaires several times over. You know they've got good health care.”“But they are actually spending money, on television, trying to convince young people that if you've got the choice between getting affordable health care or going without health care, you should choose not having any health care. Now, do you think if you get sick or you get hurt and you get stuck with a massive bill, these same folks — they're going to help you out? Are they going to pay for your health care?”
                      and, my personal favorite: Obama speaking about those who demand conditions for raising the debt limit as terrorists:
                      “What we're not for is negotiating with people with a bomb strapped to their chest.”


                      Kid's getting a little cranky when people don't like his ideas or his leadership (or ... GASP .... question his favorite legislation)

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                      • #41
                        Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                        Originally posted by compote_tom View Post
                        I'm not going to have some long detail conversation with you concerning the Bible or theology, I doubt you have the background to follow me. However, I will take issue with what I've bolded above.

                        I was raised in the Southern Baptist Church, from age 6 to 19 I attended Sunday school, Church, Bible Study, Training Union, and was a member of the Royal Ambassadors. At that time I read the RSV and The Good News which at that time was NT only

                        In my 20's I became an Episcopalian. I attended three different Adult Confirmation Classes at three different Churches with different perspectives. For several years I attended lectures by Phd theologians from a prominent Catholic University (I'm not or have I ever been Catholic) I attended Bible study. At that time I read the Living Bible and the New Jerusalem Bible. I left the Church in my late 20's.

                        I returned to the Episcopal Church in my 40's, attended more lectures and Bible Study, the Bethel Bible Series, and helped my wife in writing papers for her minor on theology. I've played music in Churches for about 10 years and have written Christian music. I have family members who are missionaries.

                        Just because I and quite a few others have a different view it isn't from our lack of knowledge, more probably because we have more extensive knowledge. It may come as a surprise to you but there are many people in the world who consider themselves Christian who have a different perspective than you.
                        Yeah, well, impressive though it is, you STILL twisted Scripture in that previous post so your accumulated knowledge didn't help you that much.

                        But I AM impressed at how impressed you are with yourself. So, although you clearly have a more extensive knowledge of Scripture than I do, I have to question why you wouldn't trot THAT out here instead of your self-composed puff piece.

                        BUT whatever.

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                        Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                        You know a lot of right wingers don't do this but you do get the odd one who gets all nasty and tough and snarly and then whines and complains / cries foul the minute someone calls them out on it.

                        Credit to some of the right wing staff, if they get called out on stuff, they slug it out and fight their fight. They don't complain / whine / cry foul etc. They can suck it up...you on the other hand can dish it out, but you can't handle it when someone calls you out on it.
                        I'm not sure what you are referencing when you say I can't take it.

                        IF I redirect someone else's thread and someone calls me on it, I stop... or I take it up with the person calling me on it. But I don't recall whining or complaining.

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                          Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                          Gotta share ...

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                            Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                            Originally posted by noahath View Post
                            I could counter with something like, "I'm not as petty as that, and I'd rather see the Forum filled with intelligent threads, rather than asinine ones like this," but then again ... Perhaps if our conservative posters are so much better than our (few remaining) liberal ones, then maybe they could prove it by starting adult threads about political issues? Just a thought.
                            Really?

                            So perhaps you're not aware that a lot of angst is driven by the stupid things politicians say. But because you don't want to start your own thread (citing that it's not intelligent or your not petty), you'd rather just misdirect this one despite thinking it's unintelligent and you're not that petty?

                            I was of the opinion, perhaps incorrectly, that if one doesn't think a given thread is worth their time, they stay out of it (which, btw, I have done many, many times in this community).

                            I respect you and the other moderators and administrators as I've expressed privately and publicly here: But I'm not so sure what brought on this invective from you and Chloe.

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                              Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                              Gotta share ...

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                              Well, we always knew that he had no respect for the military. He's just gone and proved it once again, hasn't he?

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                                Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                                Yeah, well, impressive though it is, you STILL twisted Scripture in that previous post so your accumulated knowledge didn't help you that much
                                .

                                Well actually you're the one twisting scripture, cherry picking verses that support a conservative agenda and ignoring others

                                But I AM impressed at how impressed you are with yourself. So, although you clearly have a more extensive knowledge of Scripture than I do, I have to question why you wouldn't trot THAT out here instead of your self-composed puff piece.
                                Not trying to impress anyone least of all you, but when you make comments such as

                                IMO, if you're going to try to argue Biblical concepts, you should read the whole Bible, and not just cherry-pick those snippets you believe supports your position.
                                I'm just demonstrating that my knowledge isn't limited to a few verses.

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