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  • #76
    Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

    If Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) were to become Speaker again, she would work to pass a sweeping bill that would significantly expand federal childcare benefits. [WATCH VIDEO]
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    Atop her priority list as Speaker, she said, would be comprehensive affordable, quality childcare for working mothers, which she sees as a natural extension of ObamaCare.

    That would have the biggest impact on women, families and job creation, Pelosi said. That was on President Nixons desk in the 70s, and he vetoed it for cultural or whatever reasons. And now we have to do that again.
    Pelosi: We can win - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

    "a natural extension of ObamaCare" my ass.

    The exception I take is the lack of realization by Pelosi that the more government takes from the private sector to pay for all these entitlement programs, the more damaged and failing the job creation part of the economy will become, leaving the country, with yet again, with ever expanding entitlements for which there is no way to pay for them. Kinda like the present situation we find ourselves in already now. Also proof positive that Pelosi sees the American electorate as sheep, ready for the fleecing for funding whatever ridiculous spending the federal government wants.

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    • #77
      Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      Pelosi: We can win - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

      "a natural extension of ObamaCare" my ass.

      The exception I take is the lack of realization by Pelosi that the more government takes from the private sector to pay for all these entitlement programs, the more damaged and failing the job creation part of the economy will become, leaving the country, with yet again, with ever expanding entitlements for which there is no way to pay for them. Kinda like the present situation we find ourselves in already now. Also proof positive that Pelosi sees the American electorate as sheep, ready for the fleecing for funding whatever ridiculous spending the federal government wants.
      I can't disagree with you at all there. The big problem however, is that jobs that are available by and large to working single parents doesn't pay enough to afford childcare along with rent and geroceries: this is documented fact. What we're left with the chicken and the egg aregument.

      Something else: what I don't get about the conservative mind is that if they want smaller government, why in the hell are they not screaming to get the big money out of it! When government is no longer a commercial interest as such, then the cream will float to the top (kinda), and most of the left over spending will dwindle away.

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      • #78
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        Dumb things liberals say: If you like your plan, you can keep your plan

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        • #79
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          Originally posted by jotathought View Post
          Dumb things liberals say: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”
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          Well, there ya go. Just how big a lie this is, or at least a very smashed promise.

          And adding to this lie from the White House, is it would appear that they knew before hand that this would be the case, and then just kept repeating the lie.

          Report: White House Knew Millions Could Not Keep Health Plans

          White House knew as early as 2010 millions would lose health plans under ObamaCare | Fox News

          NBC News: Obama Admin. Knew Millions Would Not Be Able to Keep Their Health Insurance for at Least 3 Years, Promised It Anyway | TheBlaze.com

          Internal IRS Memo: Millions would lose their Health Insurance. Period

          Hard to have confidence and trust when the realities dictate otherwise.

          Dear Danny,
          You Lord and master, your Messiah, he whom you placed on such a high pedestal, isn't worth your adoration. He's fallen off his pedestal and onto his own petard, all of his own accord.

          Give it up.

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          • #80
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            The spin I'm hearing Democrats throw out there on this is incredible.

            "If the insurance companies hadn't canceled the plans, Owebama would have been right"

            "But the law required they cancel them"

            "Because they were illegal!!"

            "But they weren't illegal until Owebamacare made them illegal"

            "See, it's the insurance companies fault because they're crooks and weren't supplying proper insurance"

            /facepalm

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            • #81
              Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

              The audacity of raw power seeking on display. Reason, truth, logic out the window to support the evil that is socialism.IF Obamacre was truly good you would not need 40,000 IRS agents to coerce people; they would flock to it on their own.

              I am still outraged the SC said this BS is Constitutional! I have never been so sure we are a society in decline.

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              • #82
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                Originally posted by jotathought View Post
                Dumb things liberals say: “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan”
                el Presidente' took catre of that today: those $50 dollare plans were junk plans that offered nothing until some sort of catostrophic illness. It's like have car insurance that won't cover unless you 25 people in a crosswalk and kill them. Junk plans like that are no longer allowed.

                How do I know that? Because Fox News covered the speech this morning.

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                • #83
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                  Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                  el Presidente' took catre of that today: those $50 dollare plans were junk plans that offered nothing until some sort of catostrophic illness. It's like have car insurance that won't cover unless you 25 people in a crosswalk and kill them. Junk plans like that are no longer allowed.

                  How do I know that? Because Fox News covered the speech this morning.
                  Well, you sure swallowed that hook line and sinker.

                  Hey listen. Obama sold his Obamacare on the basis that if you were happy with your plan and doctor, you could keep them. Said that all the up to like last week or something.

                  The problem is that the White House knew that this wasn't going to be the case since July 2010, perhaps even earlier.
                  Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance - Investigations
                  Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”


                  That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.


                  Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”


                  “This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.
                  Face it. This President lied. He lied to the entire country, on the record, multiple times, to anyone who cared to listen. He's a liar. Not like Bush was a liar. He's an out right bald faced liar.

                  That should be grounds for impeachment.

                  He lied because he knew that if the truth were revealed, Obamacare would have been sunk, and his second term would have been sunk right along with it.

                  The president that you voted for, and all those low information voters put into office, lied. You all were taken. Cheated. Screwed. By the liberal / progressive / Democrats. Your own people in Washington DC screwed the entire country.

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                  • #84
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                    Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                    Well, you sure swallowed that hook line and sinker.

                    Hey listen. Obama sold his Obamacare on the basis that if you were happy with your plan and doctor, you could keep them. Said that all the up to like last week or something.

                    The problem is that the White House knew that this wasn't going to be the case since July 2010, perhaps even earlier.
                    Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance - Investigations

                    Face it. This President lied. He lied to the entire country, on the record, multiple times, to anyone who cared to listen. He's a liar. Not like Bush was a liar. He's an out right bald faced liar.

                    That should be grounds for impeachment.

                    He lied because he knew that if the truth were revealed, Obamacare would have been sunk, and his second term would have been sunk right along with it.

                    The president that you voted for, and all those low information voters put into office, lied. You all were taken. Cheated. Screwed. By the liberal / progressive / Democrats. Your own people in Washington DC screwed the entire country.
                    Now you are presenting facts, not propaganda. Are you trying to confuse the libs?

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                    • #85
                      Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                      Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                      el Presidente' took catre of that today: those $50 dollare plans were junk plans that offered nothing until some sort of catostrophic illness. It's like have car insurance that won't cover unless you 25 people in a crosswalk and kill them. Junk plans like that are no longer allowed.

                      How do I know that? Because Fox News covered the speech this morning.
                      And do you think that bullshit was any more true than "If you like your plan you can keep it....period" was?

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                      • #86
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                        Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                        el Presidente' took care of that today: those $50 dollar plans were junk plans that offered nothing until some sort of catostrophic illness. It's like have car insurance that won't cover unless you 25 people in a crosswalk and kill them. Junk plans like that are no longer allowed.
                        They're not junk plans! They're called "Catastrophic Illness" plans and they are a great way to cover the unexpected Cancer or HIV but not the sniffles or the routine doctors visit. And they charge an actuarially sound, and low, premium because they do not kick in until the policyholder suffers one of the scheduled ailments. If Obama had half a brain, THOSE are the policies he would have mandated, but I guess we all know, now, he doesn't have half a brain.

                        Those catastrophic illnesses are THE ones he constantly referenced when he said people are going broke paying their hospital bills.

                        The paralell policy in the Property & Casualty insurance business is an umbrella policy: Your underlying homeowners policy AND auto policy handle the routine stuff like a baseball through the window or a parking lot fender bender ... but if you plow through 25 people in a cross walk and kill them, your underlying auto policy Liability limits are likely insufficient to handle all of those claims (and the lawsuits that might also result) so your Umbrella policy (sold in denominations of a million and up), which you got for, like, $12 a month or something ... I forget, kicks in and covers the excess damages so one of those famlies doesn't end up owning your house and all of your other assets.

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                        • #87
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                          Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                          I can't disagree with you at all there. The big problem however, is that jobs that are available by and large to working single parents doesn't pay enough to afford childcare along with rent and geroceries: this is documented fact. What we're left with the chicken and the egg aregument.

                          Something else: what I don't get about the conservative mind is that if they want smaller government, why in the hell are they not screaming to get the big money out of it! When government is no longer a commercial interest as such, then the cream will float to the top (kinda), and most of the left over spending will dwindle away.
                          Well, at least that is the promise, isn't !

                          We've heard that kind of rhetoric for decades but the difficulty I have with it is, that trigger event ("If they do this, then we can do that") never happens so the big spenders (in which group I also now include some Republicans) always feel justified increasing their habitual overspending. I think you'll find, however, that there are some now prominent conservatives who are "screaming" to do that very thing. Rand Paul, most recently, has argued strongly against continuing to allow lobbyist access to politicians (which includes their money).

                          I agree government should NOT be a commercial interest, but if we allow that concept to fully flourish in DC, it means no TARP, no GM bailout, and, candidly, no Government reach into HEALTHCARE. But you know and I know that will not happen as long as the emperor and his minions control the White House and Congress.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                            Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                            They're not junk plans! They're called "Catastrophic Illness" plans and they are a great way to cover the unexpected Cancer or HIV but not the sniffles or the routine doctors visit. And they charge an actuarially sound, and low, premium because they do not kick in until the policyholder suffers one of the scheduled ailments. If Obama had half a brain, THOSE are the policies he would have mandated, but I guess we all know, now, he doesn't have half a brain.

                            Those catastrophic illnesses are THE ones he constantly referenced when he said people are going broke paying their hospital bills.

                            The paralell policy in the Property & Casualty insurance business is an umbrella policy: Your underlying homeowners policy AND auto policy handle the routine stuff like a baseball through the window or a parking lot fender bender ... but if you plow through 25 people in a cross walk and kill them, your underlying auto policy Liability limits are likely insufficient to handle all of those claims (and the lawsuits that might also result) so your Umbrella policy (sold in denominations of a million and up), which you got for, like, $12 a month or something ... I forget, kicks in and covers the excess damages so one of those famlies doesn't end up owning your house and all of your other assets.
                            I disagree. He has 1/2 a brain, and it's all progressive extremest.

                            In public speeches since before he was elected to the Illinois senate, he's been pushing a single pay policy, and has admitted that it's too far a leap in a single bound, so that it would take a 'transition period'. But his goal, none the less, has always been, and will always be, a government run single payer system.

                            It's not so much about medical care for the people (obvious given the offered plans which all suck - an indication of the care, consideration, and competance they bring when it comes to the people's health care - which is to say none of these things), it's all about power to the government and wealth redistribution. The progressive's dream. Realities nightmare.

                            Yeah, everyone's all excited about a failing web site. Think about the same people administering a much more complex health care system to the same level of competence (what is it they say? Past performance is an indication of future performance?). Yeah, now you're seeing what a disaster unbridled government power will get you. Now you are seeing what a total disaster US federal government run single payer system will be, as all socialism tends to be.

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                            • #89
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                              Originally posted by jet57 View Post
                              el Presidente' took catre of that today: those $50 dollare plans were junk plans that offered nothing until some sort of catostrophic illness. It's like have car insurance that won't cover unless you 25 people in a crosswalk and kill them. Junk plans like that are no longer allowed.

                              How do I know that? Because Fox News covered the speech this morning.

                              Men will finally get (mandatory) maternity coverage thanks to Obamacare. Oh Glorious Day!!

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                                Re: Dumb Things Liberals Say

                                Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                                I disagree. He has 1/2 a brain, and it's all progressive extremest.

                                In public speeches since before he was elected to the Illinois senate, he's been pushing a single pay policy, and has admitted that it's too far a leap in a single bound, so that it would take a 'transition period'. But his goal, none the less, has always been, and will always be, a government run single payer system.

                                It's not so much about medical care for the people (obvious given the offered plans which all suck - an indication of the care, consideration, and competance they bring when it comes to the people's health care - which is to say none of these things), it's all about power to the government and wealth redistribution. The progressive's dream. Realities nightmare.

                                Yeah, everyone's all excited about a failing web site. Think about the same people administering a much more complex health care system to the same level of competence (what is it they say? Past performance is an indication of future performance?). Yeah, now you're seeing what a disaster unbridled government power will get you. Now you are seeing what a total disaster US federal government run single payer system will be, as all socialism tends to be.
                                O.K., I stand corrected ... he has half a brain.

                                But he STILL should have only fostered buy-in to Catastrophic Illness policies... they've been around for years and THEY are the ones he was really looking for that would step in and help someone keep from going bust with a catastropic illness...

                                I'm also very well aware of his true intentions: Long as I've known of that little twerp, he's wanted a Britain-like single-payer system.

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