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  • #16
    Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
    They have done exactly what Luther described above. The Republicans in the House have not been able to push their progressive agenda because of the Tea Party.
    they haven't been able to get anything done either, and if you were paying attention dems and Obama took a hit but YALL TOOK A BIGGER ONE. Did you MISS that? Do you think that's not going to have a consequence? I think this next election is going to go very badly for your party dude. Very very badly. And the nation will suffer because of it.

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    • #17
      Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

      Originally posted by reality View Post
      they haven't been able to get anything done either, and if you were paying attention dems and Obama took a hit but YALL TOOK A BIGGER ONE. Did you MISS that? Do you think that's not going to have a consequence? I think this next election is going to go very badly for your party dude. Very very badly. And the nation will suffer because of it.
      Only with low information voters. Cruz is still immensely popular with Conservatives.

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      • #18
        Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

        Originally posted by reality View Post
        they haven't been able to get anything done either, and if you were paying attention dems and Obama took a hit but YALL TOOK A BIGGER ONE. Did you MISS that? Do you think that's not going to have a consequence? I think this next election is going to go very badly for your party dude. Very very badly. And the nation will suffer because of it.
        Sorry, but at the rate that the Democrats are falling, I just don't see that happening. However, I agree that the nation will do much worse should the Democrats remain in the seats of power.

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        • #19
          Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

          Originally posted by reality View Post
          they haven't been able to get anything done either, and if you were paying attention dems and Obama took a hit but YALL TOOK A BIGGER ONE. Did you MISS that? Do you think that's not going to have a consequence? I think this next election is going to go very badly for your party dude. Very very badly. And the nation will suffer because of it.
          One, there is no expectation on the minority party to "get anything done" and in fact were shut out completely from participating in ObamaCare.

          The suggestion that the Republicans are going to have things "go very badly" for them runs counter to every sane political scientist; the game has changed. The Democrats and Obama can no longer expect their assurances to work in light of "If you like your plan you can keep it" and the asinine, cover your ass, bullshit antics the White House has tried to conjure in the wake of the greatest legislative failure in US history.

          The arrogance of maintaining that Obama's celebrity status can simply overcome the image of an administration without ONE success is shocking in light of the reality that Obama won in 2012 with less than 5% of the vote, or about 30% of the number of people who suddenly in need of powerful anti-anxiety medication after finding out they've been screwed, lied to, and are now an unwilling part of an experiment in social engineering and wealth distribution disguised as some legislated and God driven caring for your fellow man.

          I am neither wealthy nor a betting man, but I am betting Ted Cruz's people will be the ones with broad smiles on their faces a year from now.

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          • #20
            Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

            Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
            One, there is no expectation on the minority party to "get anything done" and in fact were shut out completely from participating in ObamaCare.

            The suggestion that the Republicans are going to have things "go very badly" for them runs counter to every sane political scientist; the game has changed. The Democrats and Obama can no longer expect their assurances to work in light of "If you like your plan you can keep it" and the asinine, cover your ass, bullshit antics the White House has tried to conjure in the wake of the greatest legislative failure in US history.

            The arrogance of maintaining that Obama's celebrity status can simply overcome the image of an administration without ONE success is shocking in light of the reality that Obama won in 2012 with less than 5% of the vote, or about 30% of the number of people who suddenly in need of powerful anti-anxiety medication after finding out they've been screwed, lied to, and are now an unwilling part of an experiment in social engineering and wealth distribution disguised as some legislated and God driven caring for your fellow man.

            I am neither wealthy nor a betting man, but I am betting Ted Cruz's people will be the ones with broad smiles on their faces a year from now.
            Bravo! An excellent summary of what ObamaCare is at it's heart. Well done.

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            • #21
              Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

              Here I was thinking the real fallout from the Nuclear Option is continued degrade of any sense of bipartisan efforts. In this case since we are talking about nominations for various positions, the flip side is Republicans using the same tactic down the road. I would also offer the other fallout from this maneuver is a change in political strategy. When it comes to the Senate all we are talking about here is 51 seats, a far easier goal to obtain over trying for 60.

              My question for the crew here is how long before we move this nuclear option from just nominations to actual legislation, and really undo Senate function?

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              • #22
                Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

                Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                Here I was thinking the real fallout from the Nuclear Option is continued degrade of any sense of bipartisan efforts. In this case since we are talking about nominations for various positions, the flip side is Republicans using the same tactic down the road. I would also offer the other fallout from this maneuver is a change in political strategy. When it comes to the Senate all we are talking about here is 51 seats, a far easier goal to obtain over trying for 60.

                My question for the crew here is how long before we move this nuclear option from just nominations to actual legislation, and really undo Senate function?


                And that, the last line, is THE issue. The kicking and screaming is for public consumption, secretly they are cheering.

                From what I'm reading here, it appears some have forgotten this is the low information voter age. It is beyond highly unlikely that come one year from now few but the most hardened Obamalemmings will chose their vote based on the bogus "shut down". Should the Democrats try to make that a wedge issue I will personally take over the Republican campaign and run ads showing 800,000 "non essential" civil servants getting back pay for a paid vacation. That's worth 30 million votes from the poor sons of bitches who now work two part time jobs instead of one full time with benefits or more than enough to hog tie Obama.

                Second, the back and forth, petty, bitter bickering in the congress casts a pall on both parties equally. One year from now the low information voter will know three things: Obama lied. ObamaCare is a disaster. And the Democrats cheated democracy to get their friends appointed to jobs.

                This is living proof that it is part of the natural development for man to embrace certain socialist ideas. It, however, requires the removal of substantial portions of the human brain to maintain those socialist views in adulthood.

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                • #23
                  Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

                  Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
                  And that, the last line, is THE issue. The kicking and screaming is for public consumption, secretly they are cheering.

                  From what I'm reading here, it appears some have forgotten this is the low information voter age. It is beyond highly unlikely that come one year from now few but the most hardened Obamalemmings will chose their vote based on the bogus "shut down". Should the Democrats try to make that a wedge issue I will personally take over the Republican campaign and run ads showing 800,000 "non essential" civil servants getting back pay for a paid vacation. That's worth 30 million votes from the poor sons of bitches who now work two part time jobs instead of one full time with benefits or more than enough to hog tie Obama.

                  Second, the back and forth, petty, bitter bickering in the congress casts a pall on both parties equally. One year from now the low information voter will know three things: Obama lied. ObamaCare is a disaster. And the Democrats cheated democracy to get their friends appointed to jobs.

                  This is living proof that it is part of the natural development for man to embrace certain socialist ideas. It, however, requires the removal of substantial portions of the human brain to maintain those socialist views in adulthood.
                  Now this is an interesting couple of side discussions.

                  It can be argued well that at founding there was a concerted effort to avoid the pitfalls of many other government types, including democracy. Just the idea of a Republic means a series of carefully crafted counter balances. The history of the Senate itself has been through several evolutions of change to handle issues with political power, well into the status of that chamber that we see today. To some degree the House has had a sister path taken to similar results. I suppose it could be viewed that as this "Reid Rule" means another evolution, I suspect quickly followed by the Nuclear Option applying to legislation. And why not, our two party system of government here pretty much demands that as the next escalation of hyper-partisanship.

                  The other interesting side discussion is another question. Does democracy always end in socialism? I would say yes as there is generally several truths of democracy movement. One, eventual and obvious corruption. Two, the voter realizing they can vote themselves treasury function. Less contribution in taxes, more from in spending dependence, or some terrible combination of the two. Bringing this back to the subject at hand, these concerns will be shifted into high gear with such a change in Senate function going forward.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

                    Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                    Now this is an interesting couple of side discussions.

                    It can be argued well that at founding there was a concerted effort to avoid the pitfalls of many other government types, including democracy. Just the idea of a Republic means a series of carefully crafted counter balances. The history of the Senate itself has been through several evolutions of change to handle issues with political power, well into the status of that chamber that we see today. To some degree the House has had a sister path taken to similar results. I suppose it could be viewed that as this "Reid Rule" means another evolution, I suspect quickly followed by the Nuclear Option applying to legislation. And why not, our two party system of government here pretty much demands that as the next escalation of hyper-partisanship.

                    The other interesting side discussion is another question. Does democracy always end in socialism? I would say yes as there is generally several truths of democracy movement. One, eventual and obvious corruption. Two, the voter realizing they can vote themselves treasury function. Less contribution in taxes, more from in spending dependence, or some terrible combination of the two. Bringing this back to the subject at hand, these concerns will be shifted into high gear with such a change in Senate function going forward.
                    True and the sooner this happens, the sooner we will get back to putting the adults back in charge.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Fallout from the Nuclear Option

                      It all boils down to the amount of power we've given the government. So long as such judges have the power to fundamentally alter our lives, both parties will fight tooth and nail for their prospective. They are simply doing their jobs.

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