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Notice From My Doctor

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  • #31
    Re: Notice From My Doctor

    Because of the fact that a vast majority of Americans pay for eye care directly out of pocket it is a great example of how to keep health care costs down. The cost of Lasik surgery, for example, has dropped by 30% over the last decade – at the same time prices skyrocket for every other medical procedure under the sun. How is this possible? Econ 101, the relationship between supply, demand, and cost. The same forces that are void in our health care system because of third party payers and regulatory limits on competition.


    • #32
      Re: Notice From My Doctor

      I got a notice from my Dr. saying he's making so much money from both private and public insurance that he's expanding his practice and will add 150 new patents this month. He has a company do his billing so he never touches the paper work, only the buckets full of money every month.


      • #33
        Re: Notice From My Doctor

        Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
        But could you afford to be as selective if you were an optometrist?
        It could be because of my living in the suburbs that physicians and optometrists are more than happy to have Medicare patients (not medicaid).
        most optometrists dont take it either, the only ones that take it are opthomologists, and they only take medicare. only one OD in the area a work in takes medicaid.
        and obama care is nothing but medicaid on steroids. one that the gov is going to force everyone to buy even if they dont want it.


        • #34
          Re: Notice From My Doctor

          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
          You got a letter that actually said, "stupid regulations...." ? Is the eye doc the local republican party team leader? That would explain this professional's choice of words, generally not found on letters of this nature.
          You should have heard what my Blue Cross/Blue Shield rep had to say about what Obamacare had done to the value of health care policy coverage...............although it didn't make the reason I was calling (30% rate hike) less painful.


          • #35
            Re: Notice From My Doctor

            Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
            What you fail to acknowledge is that those countries with national health care you have much higher costs per person if you factor in what the government pays as well.

            Yes privately per person we pay almost $8000 but when you compare apples to apples, or total cost per person, most of the industrialized nations that have national health care pay more per person. This means that socialism is pushed at gun point. Someone who has no health problems all their lives and works is squeezed to pay for those who are on some sort of welfare and don't work.

            You also gloss over that every other country that has a national health care system also has rationing. As I have pointed out none of these countries allows for the Insulin pump which has made my QUALITY of life much improved. In Obamacare, I have already been informed that support for my pump ends in 2014 when the provisions which affect me will start. Also if I were to pay for the pump personally and use prescribed insulin I would be cancelled for my insulin and have to pay for it myself out of pocket. I did that for 6 months at one point and I cannot afford it. Having brittle diabetes which is very damaging to the body and going back to needle injected insulin will make my quality of life worse.

            Another thing you neglect to take into consideration is that medical advances happen in this country more than any other due to these costs. More improvements and advancements have occurred in the US than any other nation. Even the Mighty DaVinci machine would be scrap metal if the US had not taken over the project and funded it to finishing. France ran out of money and could not cover the costs.

            Also taking into account drug costs, they are high because other nations get discounts and the drug companies not only have to fund research on drugs but they also have to cover those costs when they are selling in other countries for next to nothing. You cannot have it both ways, if you bring costs down in this country you have to raise it in others to pay for the drugs.
            The bolded part is simply not true. Just for your information, Germany allows for the insulin pump. And as far as I know it's the same in Austria and Switzerland. I don't know about other european countries but maybe one of my fellow europeans can clear that up.


            • #36
              Re: Notice From My Doctor

              To op, you just need a different eye doctor. I've had eye insurance all my life and never went to one that didn't take insurance.
              I'm not so sure I'd want a cash only doctor anyway.


              • #37
                Re: Notice From My Doctor

                Originally posted by RDK View Post
                Wrong, what a spectacularly incorrect statement to make. Bet you got that on Fox News didnt you?
                Look at these numbers
                First of all your condescending snark is noted. I don't pay attention to fax, let alone any actual syndicated tv/radio broadcasts. So take your insults and put them where the sun don't shine.

                Total health care costs per capita,

                US #1 at just over $6k per person per year, Canada #17 at just over $3k per year, UK #18 at just under 2900 per year
                Expenditure Per Capita current us$ statistics - countries compared - Nation Master
                That is total health care costs not private or public, but TOTAL

                How about as a percentage of GDP?
                % Of GDP > Expenditure, Total statistics - Countries Compared - NationMaster
                US is once again #1 at 15.4%, you have to get to Germany #9 at 10.6% or France #10 at 10.5% to get a major economy lose to the US as a percentage of GDP spent on health care. Once again total not just private or public costs.

                For the US to get out of #1 spot for costs as % f GDP you have to look at public costs. There the USA is #21 at 6.88 %, just AHEAD of #22 Canada at 6.84% but behind the UK at 6.99%.
                % Of GDP > Expenditure, Public statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
                However you once again pull into #1 spot for % GDP health costs paid privately. US is at 6.52%
                % Of GDP > Expenditure, Private statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

                US actually spend a higher % of GDP publically than privately.

                When you factor the higher per capita GDP into the equation you get US public spending per capita HIGHER than Canadas where we have a public health insurance system.
                Okay I read through and you left out some things. Guess you didn't like that in the first one Germany is ALMOST as high as the US.

                I would love to see a breakdown of what these costs pay for an the services you actually get for these costs. From ER, to Deductibles to doctor visits and copays.

                Bottom of your first list btw.
                DEFINITION: Total health expenditure is the sum of public and private health expenditures as a ratio of total population. It covers the provision of health services (preventive and curative), family planning activities, nutrition activities, and emergency aid designated for health but does not include provision of water and sanitation. Data are in current U.S. dollars.
                As I said I would like to see a break down of what is covered, for example if Abortions are not covered in say Lithuanian, how much does it cost to get one in that country?

                Since other than having Obamacare over our heads, the States have normally set the standards. So a more realistic exercise would be to have the same charts based on State by State to get a better overview of what costs are. The fact that each State sets it's own standards skews anything you could do by comparing the whole of these united States.

                Dont despair, you only have to pay these higher health care costs for 77 years as your life expectancy is # 28 behind #1 Japan at 82 or #9 (tied with 6 other countries) Canada at 80 years.

                Dont you just hate it when the facts do not support the lies that you got from Fox News????

                Why are you not used to that, it is a common happening?
                Don't you just hate it when liberals idiots cannot just stick to facts and have to add insults with their comments.

                As far as insulin pumps go some provinces in Canada will pay for them

                Ontario, Canada Helps Pay for Insulin Pumps and More
                The insulin pump in Canada is recent, I have had my pump for 8 years in the US and it has been offered for over 12 to patients. When I first did an assessment of other countries, it was before 2008.