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Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

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  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
    Repeal this fraud, this "law" AND it's creator !! ... who is also a fraud

    "If you like your Dr. ... if you like your plan.." blah blah blah - all lies.

    The liar in chief and his retarded ideas need to be gone !!

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    Saturday January 02, 2016

    We 'Owe it' to Americans to Repeal Obamacare

    Next week, Congress will send a bill to the White House in hopes of repealing Obamacare and defunding Planned Parenthood next week, and Rep Vicky Hartzler said in Saturday's GOP address that the president will need to make some important decisions.

    "We owe it to the American people to take our best shot at repealing Obamacare, and that’s what we’ll do next week,” the Missouri Republican said. "As a result, President [Barack] Obama will soon have a choice: Does he support the people and women’s health, or does he support Washington mandates and tax dollars going to Planned Parenthood?"

    ....

    ....the problem with Obamacare," Hartzler said. "It forces people to buy insurance that’s much more expensive than what they need. And when you force millions of people to buy expensive and unaffordable insurance, it’s not that surprising to see premiums going up."
    [ jobs disappearing too ]

    Deductibles are rising too, and Americans are losing their doctors and can't find a good insurance plan.

    "If we want to make health insurance more affordable, we should make insurance companies compete for your business," she said. "That means we should not force people to buy insurance. It means the exact opposite. Our bill addresses this injustice by eliminating the core of Obamacare: It repeals the individual mandate."


    ....

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gop.../02/id/707871/

    The only trouble with the GOP is that they want to move back to a country to where only a part of the population have healthcare. And given they have also deindustrialized America, and the service sector besides not paying living wages does not provide healthcare either, this means that healthcare will just be there for those that have a job that provides it. And this is a shrinking group, which then drives up insurance, because the hospitals will increase their billing to pay for those that do not have insurance or money and use the ERs for health problems. But ERs do not provide treatment on diseases that require more than one visit, like cancer, or a list of other diseases that kill people.

    We are evolving into a place where healthcare, like our military defending us is a right, and the sooner we evolve here in America into that paradigm, the better. So, single payer healthcare for those that have jobs, with everyone else being on Medicare, removing the profits from healthcare that is sucked up by insurance companies and their stockholders. Of course the GOP will not take us there, and so it will probably have to wait until the changing demographics renders the GOP moot, and they vanish from congress and the oval office.




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    • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post


      The only trouble with the GOP is that they want to move back to a country to where only a part of the population have healthcare. And given they have also deindustrialized America, and the service sector besides not paying living wages does not provide healthcare either, this means that healthcare will just be there for those that have a job that provides it. And this is a shrinking group, which then drives up insurance, because the hospitals will increase their billing to pay for those that do not have insurance or money and use the ERs for health problems. But ERs do not provide treatment on diseases that require more than one visit, like cancer, or a list of other diseases that kill people.

      We are evolving into a place where healthcare, like our military defending us is a right, and the sooner we evolve here in America into that paradigm, the better. So, single payer healthcare for those that have jobs, with everyone else being on Medicare, removing the profits from healthcare that is sucked up by insurance companies and their stockholders. Of course the GOP will not take us there, and so it will probably have to wait until the changing demographics renders the GOP moot, and they vanish from congress and the oval office.



      Then the argument is really over whether 'healthcare' is a right !

      Is healthcare a right ? By what reasoning do we consider that healthcare is a right ?

      What isn't a 'right' ? Claiming that something is a right.. doesn't make it so.

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      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

        Then the argument is really over whether 'healthcare' is a right !

        Is healthcare a right ? By what reasoning do we consider that healthcare is a right ?

        What isn't a 'right' ? Claiming that something is a right.. doesn't make it so.

        I suppose it depends on how you see the world.
        Why would access to things like law and order be a right but healthcare isn't?

        Having a national healthcare system helps the economy by keeping as many as possible fit for work and surely that should be something the conservatives want. It's why national healthcare works so well in so many other countries and doesn't have the consequences the conservatives say will cripple any attempt to bring the system to the US.

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        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

          Then the argument is really over whether 'healthcare' is a right !

          Is healthcare a right ? By what reasoning do we consider that healthcare is a right ?

          What isn't a 'right' ? Claiming that something is a right.. doesn't make it so.

          Rights are actions you are allowed to take.

          Rights are not goods and services you receive. Rights do not confer an obligation onto others.

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          • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
            I suppose it depends on how you see the world.
            Why would access to things like law and order be a right but healthcare isn't?

            Having a national healthcare system helps the economy by keeping as many as possible fit for work and surely that should be something the conservatives want. It's why national healthcare works so well in so many other countries and doesn't have the consequences the conservatives say will cripple any attempt to bring the system to the US.
            Why would access to things like law and order be a right but a healthy diet isn't?

            Why would access to things like law and order be a right but a car isn't?

            Why would access to things like law and order be a right but a job isn't?

            Why would access to things like law and order be a right but love isn't?

            These are things we need. Most of us need a job ... not "the anointed ones" - but that's another subject.

            Law and order ? It's a rare thing when we get down to details and we kid ourselves if we think it's a 'right.'

            That's why in America, one of our rights (currently) is gun ownership - the 'right' to protect ourselves. . from the most dangerous creature on the planet - US ! The founding members of America knew that only fools would agree to only let some "special people" access to firearms.

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            • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              Rights are actions you are allowed to take.

              Rights are not goods and services you receive. Rights do not confer an obligation onto others.
              Rights come only from God.

              Humans dream and fantasize about what their "rights" should be or what they want them to be at the time they want something.

              Thinking we can rely on other people to grant or honor 'rights' we or they dreamed up, never works. . for long.

              Murdering the unborn is a now "right"

              Gay "marriage" is now a "right"

              Now some of us think "healthcare" should be a "right"

              Call whatever suits your fancy a "right" ... that may or may not work out in the society you're in .. AND God and reality will be the final judge of how it works out.

              Foolish people complaining about how tough reality is; . . . "..lets make it a "right" ... that will fix it !" - refer to the beginning of this writing...

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              • Healthcare is seen as a right in Europe, Canada and many other places so it's hardly that strange and all rights are dreamed up by man unless you think God himself wrote them down and I'm pretty sure God had nothing to do with the US bill of rights.

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                • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                  Repeal this fraud, this "law" AND it's creator !! ... who is also a fraud

                  "If you like your Dr. ... if you like your plan.." blah blah blah - all lies.

                  The liar in chief and his retarded ideas need to be gone !!

                  ----------------------------------

                  Saturday January 02, 2016

                  We 'Owe it' to Americans to Repeal Obamacare

                  Next week, Congress will send a bill to the White House in hopes of repealing Obamacare and defunding Planned Parenthood next week, and Rep Vicky Hartzler said in Saturday's GOP address that the president will need to make some important decisions.

                  "We owe it to the American people to take our best shot at repealing Obamacare, and thats what well do next week, the Missouri Republican said. "As a result, President [Barack] Obama will soon have a choice: Does he support the people and womens health, or does he support Washington mandates and tax dollars going to Planned Parenthood?"

                  ....

                  ....the problem with Obamacare," Hartzler said. "It forces people to buy insurance thats much more expensive than what they need. And when you force millions of people to buy expensive and unaffordable insurance, its not that surprising to see premiums going up."
                  [ jobs disappearing too ]

                  Deductibles are rising too, and Americans are losing their doctors and can't find a good insurance plan.

                  "If we want to make health insurance more affordable, we should make insurance companies compete for your business," she said. "That means we should not force people to buy insurance. It means the exact opposite. Our bill addresses this injustice by eliminating the core of Obamacare: It repeals the individual mandate."


                  ....

                  http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gop.../02/id/707871/
                  Obama care is not working. So many families have lost HealtCARE because of it. They have been burdened and strained with these costs and can not afford to use the now very expensive product that they are forced to purchase. The lack of healthcare being provided for citizens paying for the insurance is astronomical. Health Insurance & Health care, are two separate things.

                  Obama Care IS NOT giving more people health care! It is giving health care to some and taking it away from others. It serves NO purpose in the big picture.

                  And the supreme court now deciding that they can make rulings based on, "Too Big To Fail". Sound familiar? Our supreme court is a disgrace to our constitution.

                  I'm looking forward to UHC dropping out. Maybe it will take that kind of hardship for people, in order for the ACA to implode. We might have to experience a storm then struggle through the clean up. But then we can rebuild it better and stronger.
                  Last edited by msc; 01-03-2016, 05:48 AM.

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                  • We don't really need affordable health insurance we need affordable healthcare. Obamcare has failed to deliver either.

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                    • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                      Healthcare is seen as a right in Europe, Canada and many other places so it's hardly that strange and all rights are dreamed up by man unless you think God himself wrote them down and I'm pretty sure God had nothing to do with the US bill of rights.
                      Many strange things have been seen as 'rights' in human history. Some last, others do not.

                      Why is that do we think ?

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                      • Originally posted by msc View Post
                        Obama care is not working. So many families have lost HealtCARE because of it. They have been burdened and strained with these costs and can not afford to use the now very expensive product that they are forced to purchase. The lack of healthcare being provided for citizens paying for the insurance is astronomical. Health Insurance & Health care, are two separate things.

                        Obama Care IS NOT giving more people health care! It is giving health care to some and taking it away from others. It serves NO purpose in the big picture.

                        And the supreme court now deciding that they can make rulings based on, "Too Big To Fail". Sound familiar? Our supreme court is a disgrace to our constitution.

                        I'm looking forward to UHC dropping out. Maybe it will take that kind of hardship for people, in order for the ACA to implode. We might have to experience a storm then struggle through the clean up. But then we can rebuild it better and stronger.
                        Mr obama and his "care" have been a disaster. Mr obama is a disaster !

                        Many thought electing a "black" man to be president would end 'racism' etc etc.

                        ... look where we are ... because we thought he was "the answer"

                        Is it Mr obamas fault ? We picked him after-all.

                        Maybe we'll be more thoughtful about who we vote for next time ?

                        Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                        We don't really need affordable health insurance we need affordable healthcare. Obamcare has failed to deliver either.
                        "Law" written by liars & fools doesn't benefit anyone or last very long.

                        The trouble comes when the liars & fools insist that you - everybody - is benefitting from their stupidity . . . and they're counting on your stupidity to help you believe them !!

                        Gruber said that “the stupidity of the American voter” made it important for him and Democrats to hide Obamacare’s true costs from the public. “That was really, really critical for the thing to pass,” said Gruber. “But I’d rather have this law than not.” In other words, the ends —imposing Obamacare upon the public— justified the means.

                        ...

                        In fairness to Gruber, American voters are not the only people whose intelligence he questions; elsewhere in the discussion, he describes New York Sen. Chuck Schumer (D.) as someone who “as far as I can tell, doesn’t understand economics” and calls a staffer for Sen. Olympia Snowe (R., Maine)—presumably William Pewen —an “idiot.”


                        http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...om-the-public/

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                        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                          Mr obama and his "care" have been a disaster. Mr obama is a disaster !

                          Many thought electing a "black" man to be president would end 'racism' etc etc.

                          ... look where we are ... because we thought he was "the answer"

                          Is it Mr obamas fault ? We picked him after-all.

                          Maybe we'll be more thoughtful about who we vote for next time ?



                          "Law" written by liars & fools doesn't benefit anyone or last very long.

                          The trouble comes when the liars & fools insist that you - everybody - is benefitting from their stupidity . . . and they're counting on your stupidity to help you believe them !!

                          Gruber said that “the stupidity of the American voter” made it important for him and Democrats to hide Obamacare’s true costs from the public. “That was really, really critical for the thing to pass,” said Gruber. “But I’d rather have this law than not.” In other words, the ends —imposing Obamacare upon the public— justified the means.

                          ...

                          In fairness to Gruber, American voters are not the only people whose intelligence he questions; elsewhere in the discussion, he describes New York Sen. Chuck Schumer (D.) as someone who “as far as I can tell, doesn’t understand economics” and calls a staffer for Sen. Olympia Snowe (R., Maine)—presumably William Pewen —an “idiot.”


                          http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...om-the-public/
                          You have to pass it, to see what's in it? What the hell? It should be a crime to pass a law that hasn't been read. Every person who voted to pass Obama Care should be FIRED! Where in the private sector does any executive sign a contract that they haven't read? And if they did, they would be fired for incompetence. When Pelosi said it, my first thought was "What a moron, that is undeniably one of the dumbest things said". In my naivety I thought,"that ain't gonna fly, there was no way in hell that the congress could or would pass a law that they haven't read", then low and behold...

                          And how could they get away with taxing you if you don't buy medical insurance. A country that taxes you for being alive? For breathing air?
                          Where the hell am I living?

                          And stop saying WE picked him. I am not part of the majority WE. Are you? As the song goes, "clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and here I am stuck in the middle with you". I am stuck in the middle of this catastrophe with many other Americans. I take NO responsibility for putting this tyrant in office.

                          I'm finding it hard to debate with insanity. NOTHING makes sense anymore in this country. Clearly I'm doing more venting than debating. Thanks for listening!

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                          • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                            Rights are actions you are allowed to take.

                            Rights are not goods and services you receive. Rights do not confer an obligation onto others.
                            That's one of the best simple explanations of constitutional and human rights I've heard as of yet.

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                            • Originally posted by msc View Post
                              You have to pass it, to see what's in it? What the hell? It should be a crime to pass a law that hasn't been read. Every person who voted to pass Obama Care should be FIRED! Where in the private sector does any executive sign a contract that they haven't read? And if they did, they would be fired for incompetence. When Pelosi said it, my first thought was "What a moron, that is undeniably one of the dumbest things said". In my naivety I thought,"that ain't gonna fly, there was no way in hell that the congress could or would pass a law that they haven't read", then low and behold...

                              And how could they get away with taxing you if you don't buy medical insurance. A country that taxes you for being alive? For breathing air?
                              Where the hell am I living?

                              And stop saying WE picked him. I am not part of the majority WE. Are you? As the song goes, "clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and here I am stuck in the middle with you". I am stuck in the middle of this catastrophe with many other Americans. I take NO responsibility for putting this tyrant in office.

                              I'm finding it hard to debate with insanity. NOTHING makes sense anymore in this country. Clearly I'm doing more venting than debating. Thanks for listening.
                              I didn't vote for mr obongo either - not once. But apparently "the majority" did. TWICE

                              So I say "we" picked this sad sack obongo, to point out the mass laziness and stupidity of "the majority." It isn't JUST our criminal and out of control "govt" we should be worried about. It's also the moronic "majority" of Americans - including the purposefully imported people from other nations who are tools of the democratic party - VOTING tools.

                              You're not alone feeling like you now live in a dictatorship . . mr obama is going to take another "executive action" soon on guns. He is Americas first "black president" so he can do any thing he wants and NO ONE will try to stop him.

                              It is an insane time we're living in. God willing, we'll get through it with as little hardship as possible. . but I'm not betting on it.


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                              My elected representatives represent no one but themselves. ....

                              It is all too obvious that our most unrepresentative of representative governments neither knows us nor respects us. They despise us. It is too much to ask us not to despise them in return.
                              [and we do]

                              ....

                              I am tired of living in the dumping ground for whatever group of hostile immigrants the social engineers in Washington import to ease their guilty consciences. Let them move their Mexican underclass and angry Syrian colonists to Marthas Vineyard or Marin County north of San Francisco. Maybe this would help our legislators and opinion makers alleviate a bit of their never-ending narcissistic angst. I am tired of nameless, self-righteous bureaucrats levering open the restrooms of my local schools to the confused transvestites that a liberal education churns out, then lecturing me about tolerance and individual rights. Where is their tolerance of my culture? Where is their respect for my rights? Where is the brotherly concern shown to my neighbors? I am tired of living in an ill-planned social experiment. Of taboo words and taboo ideas. I am tired of being called a racist by people who are, themselves, the worst of racists -- and who have denuded the word itself of any meaning.

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                              Although I may not especially like the erratic, often juvenile Mr. Trump, it isnt lost on me that he at least doesnt hold me in contempt. He may make war on illegal immigration and Muslim fundamentalism, but most of the alternatives are making war on me.


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                              http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...e_to_this.html

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                              • I take it you guys don't think calling the President that is massively racist?

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