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Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

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  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
    The start to ending obamacrime - I mean "care" . . . This needs to be finished. Congress should never pass laws that they're exempt from. Laws should apply equally and fully to every citizen. Otherwise we have a lawless group of "lawmakers" . . . like the Mafia.

    The Politicians who voted for it should be on it.

    If it's so good, they should enjoy it's 'benefits' too !

    Take the free pass away from all congress creeps and their staff. Maybe we can find a way so even that idiot pelosi can read and understand it !?!?

    ... yes, the impossible LOL

    Make these idiots in D.C. follow the law the rest of us have to, and watch how fast it disappears !!!

    .... like magic !!!


    Rep. Ron DeSantis: End 'Illegal' Healthcare Subsidies for Congress


    When Congress passed the Affordable Care Act in 2010, DeSantis told me, Sen. [Charles] Grassley added Section 1312, which states explicitly that the only health plans available for members of Congress are those created by Obamacare or through an exchange created by Obamacare.

    As a result, the Florida lawmaker noted, Members of the House and Senate were required to live under the law they had passed, did not have access to health insurance subsidies, and made them ineligible for the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program.

    But all that ended in 2013, DeSantis added, when Congress looked to the Obama administration for a bailout and got it from [the Office of Personnel Management].

    He cited the rule from OPM entitled Federal Employees Health Benefits Program: Members of Congress and Congressional Staff which, in DeSantis words, contravened federal law and gave members of Congress and their staffs subsidies on grounds that were untruthful.

    The OPM rule, DeSantis noted, Made it possible for members of Congress to receive their healthcare plans through the D.C. Small Business Exchange, which is, by law, limited to businesses with fewer than 50 employees.With 435 U.S. representatives and 100 U.S. senators, that is far above and well beyond the limit set by the Small Exchange.


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    "Government medicine" is evil and always will be. The government has NO business in this area of our lives !


    In the Weimar Republic, preventive medicine was successful in improving the overall health of the volk. But, as economic troubles began, predictably, the state-run health system was gutted until it provided little care, but lots of regulation. Efficiency and cost containment became the order of the day. When given a choice of treating the young producers or the non-productive elderly, imbeciles and disabled children, the government (using expert panels) chose care for the most productive.

    We think of eugenics as a Nazi product, but actually, it was the fashionable science of the progressive movement of the 1920s and 30s. In America, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood and darling of the left, preached her brand of genetic selection. She believed in racial purification through abortion, segregation and forced sterilization. Sanger also wrote in her books about euthanasia of the feeble-minded. At the same time in Germany, 20 years before Hitler, the phrase Life Unworthy of Living was coined by a German physician in a pamphlet on eugenics, and the debate about physician-assisted suicide was raging. Sound familiar?

    By the time the Nazis came to power, the euthanasia fields had been plowed and the grain had been sown. All it took was efficient Nazi organization and a little push to unleash the killing machine we associate with Nazi medicine. Death camps aside, however, for most Germans, Nazi medicine looked remarkably like Obamacare:

    Preventive medicine, cost containment, efficiency (God knows those Prussians were efficient), back-to-nature healthy lifestyle and avoidance of smoking. Hitler himself was the worst kind of anti-smoker: an ex-smoker. (He completely kicked the habit, unlike a former leader we know.) Hitlers research grants led to some of the first documentation associating smoking with cancer. Doctors joined the Nazi Party in droves and were per capita the largest group supporting Hitlers regime. They appreciated the Nazi Partys wellness approach to health care, but they were also bribed by being paid for vaccinations and per capita patient care reimbursement. Prior to Hitler, 60 percent of the doctors were Jewish. When the Jews were forced out of the practice of medicine, it left a lot of room at the top. Medical administration for the doctors left alive in Germany proved lucrative.


    Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg echoed Margaret Sanger when she said, Frankly, I thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations we dont want too many of.

    John Holdren, Obamas science adviser, stated in his 1973 book that a newborn child will ultimately develop into a human being if he or she is properly fed and socialized i.e., not only is a fetus fair game, but infants as well, since neither is human. Peter Singer, a bioethicist from Princeton, said he would kill a baby if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole. He has said that newborns are not sentient beings. Singer and Holdren may not be killers, but their philosophy that dehumanizes some segment of society will allow others to be.

    At the Nuremberg doctor trials, a witness testified that there was no problem getting doctors for the euthanasia program they volunteered. I always wondered how doctors could have done that. I do not wonder now. In the Netherlands today, the No. 1 cause of death of children under 10 years old is euthanasia by a physician. And these doctors are the grandchildren and children of Dutch doctors who went to the camps themselves rather than participate in the Nazi horror. What happened between World War II and now was moral incrementalism. It began when physicians in contravention of the Hippocratic Oath served not their patients, but the state. Discussions about cost effectiveness, efficiency and coverage miss the essence of the problem.

    Government medicine is evil. It makes citizens into dependent children, and it turns once-honorable doctors into tools of the state. Just ask yourself this: When you are in your sick bed, whom do you trust at your bedside a private physician you have hired or a doctor sent from the government?
    Everything the government controls comes down to rationing. They collect from the mass and distribute as they see fit for the interest of the 1 body, not the individual. This is not America. Whether Obama care is the model of Nazi Germany or a well intended program, Evil is the result.


    • Originally posted by msc View Post
      Everything the government controls comes down to rationing. They collect from the mass and distribute as they see fit for the interest of the 1 body, not the individual. This is not America. Whether Obama care is the model of Nazi Germany or a well intended program, Evil is the result.
      No, this is NOT America.

      This is still mr. obamas "fundamentally transformed" caricature of ... something.

      We elected this mad bastard twice, lets hope we survive it AND learned something.


      • How come we never hear lectures directed to the poor, about how Obama Care has harmed the working middle class person, their fellow man? Why is the responsibility "to do the right thing", always on the shoulders of the middle class. The morality shaming is always directed at the middle class. Aren't the poor required to have morality too?


        • Originally posted by msc View Post
          How come we never hear lectures directed to the poor, about how Obama Care has harmed the working middle class person, their fellow man? Why is the responsibility "to do the right thing", always on the shoulders of the middle class. The morality shaming is always directed at the middle class. Aren't the poor required to have morality too?
          Short answer, No.


          • Liberal desperation, hypocrisy & stupidity never ceases to amaze.

            Media bias exposed here also, but this has more to do with the death of obama's "care" than anything else.

            That and the president forcing libtards to show themselves for the imbeciles that they are. .

            They seem to truly enjoy making nit-wits of themselves - I ALMOST feel sorry for them.


            Trent-Adams truly is addressed as doctor since she has a doctorate in Nursing, and she was good enough for the Obama administration to serve as deputy surgeon general, but now, shes just a black nurse, right? The Washington Post joins in the bashing with this headline: Rear Adm. Sylvia Trent-Adams, a commissioned nurse, will serve as acting Surgeon General.

            President Trump got around to replacing Obamas appointee, Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy. Murthy was a huge supporter of Obamacare, and it was time for him to go.

            This, of course, was not a popular move with Obama or his minions in the media who immediately lashed out at Trump and his new appointee. Trump promoted Rear Admiral Sylvia Trent-Adams, who was acting as Murthys deputy surgeon general.

            ....highly educated with a Bachelor of Science in Nursing from Hampton University, an M.S. in nursing and health policy, and a Ph.D. from the University of Maryland, Baltimore. She also became a fellow of the American Academy of Nursing in 2014. But, thats not good enough for the Trump-hating liberal media.

            Sometimes liberals just want to hate on President Donald Trump. Its a function of their Trump Derangement Syndrome. Take the case of his new Surgeon General appointment, Rear Admiral Sylvia Trent-Adams. Now she should have checked all the boxes one would supposedly would want to make a liberal happy.


            ...... here;

            We see how the new york tards write about her. She's "just a nurse" ... desperate retards hiding facts.

            Of course if this were an appointment made by a liberal, we'd see great praise given this choice.

            "Trump did it, cover the facts up as much as possible !" says the liberal press.


            • As if they're desperate to prove they're stupider than demorats..

              .... they just can't get it together to do what they say they want to do.


              ... oh, 'scuse me republicans


              The White House and congressional Republicans are working vigorously to avoid losing a second effort at repealing and replacing Obamcare...

              22 Republicans oppose the bill the maximum number of GOP defections that can be afforded assuming every Democrat also votes against it.

              The White House is eager to move forward on legislation to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act to make good on a key campaign promise. Republicans tried but failed to pass a replacement bill in March in an embarrassing setback for the Trump administration.

              "Nothing has changed as far as I know," said one moderate GOP aide. "Our sense is we're not seeing a lot of moderates who are looking at this."



              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                This thread will be to post all experiences with and stories about how great or not so great Obamacare is. What you learn about it good and bad, what the costs are, etc.

                Up to now, we had a lot of privacy in our medical issues. It looks like a lot of that is going away. This is the sort of thing that would have taken a search warrant in the past but now, to get insurance, you must give up these rights.

                Obamacare Marketplace: Personal Data Can Be Used For
                The House passed their Health care bill. Someday I hope someone bothers to read it. No one knows what it is going to cost and how many people will lose coverage. Now let's see it get through the senate.


                • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                  The House passed their Health care bill. Someday I hope someone bothers to read it. No one knows what it is going to cost and how many people will lose coverage. Now let's see it get through the senate.
                  No one read the Obamacare bill before it was passed, why should this be any different? No one knows how much it is going to save people when they buy health insurance. If it doesn't get through the Senate, it makes little difference because Obamacare is dying on its own.


                  • The house should have written a bill for healthcare that was everything that Trump, Ryan, the Freedom Caucus and Republicans campaigned on. They should have stood their ground until all who campaigned on it came on board. Trump and the freedom caucus should have publicly outwardly, loudly, and consistently, shamed the Republicans that promised their voters that they would vote on a complete repeal of Obama Care with all the replacement proposals that got them elected. It should have been said by naming individuals, that "this one and that one, will not vote for what they promised you". Then the obstructionists could contemplate whether or not the same people would vote for them next time around. They should have let "everything bill" fail and expose the liars. Or perhaps it wouldn't have failed with minor adjustments made, because the liars would know if they were exposed they would loose their seat next time around. Doesn't matter how much money they get from lobbyists if people feel betrayed. With Republicans, actions speak louder than words, especially these days.

                    Hey, when the Dems are at the wheel, they ALWAYS ask for EVERYTHING they want when authoring bills. They NEVER consider asking for less because they think the Republicans won't go for it. If the Dems do compromise, they give up a tiny bit of minimal, unimportant things, (probably things they don't even care about, specifically added to give up and claim compromise, and Republicans can think they were successful in getting something. Republicans presenting a bill with EVERYTHING they promised would have pleased their voters and given more things to whittle away, while keeping more major aspects. The libs are stupid in what they want, but clearly the smarter ones who know how to get what they want.

                    With that said. I have to agree with this portion of what redrover when he said "No one knows", while referencing it as a bad thing. Though IMO "no one" is, me/you/voters. There is no indication that the house didn't read it. Since we know that competition between state lines and eliminating insurance subsidies is not in it, (the most important aspects), I'd have to see exactly what is in it before I consider that this bill should pass. The only have a little hope right now because the freedom caucus, (who represents the promises), states that even though it's not what we wanted, they believe in the very least it will bring down health insurance costs for the un-subsidized. Still I have no blind trust. I want the details. We should all want the details even though or especially though we didn't get it with Obama care, which allowed the lies to flourish.
                    Last edited by msc; 05-05-2017, 04:19 AM.


                    • They should have simply dumped the mandatory requirement and removed state barriers so as to allow companies to offer plans to people in multiple states ( as is now possible with auto insurance).


                      • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                        They should have simply dumped the mandatory requirement and removed state barriers so as to allow companies to offer plans to people in multiple states ( as is now possible with auto insurance).
                        For some reason, the parliamentarian of the House ruled that the interstate sales could not be addressed in the budget bill.


                        • Even CNN admits the Democrats lied to pass Obamacare:


                          • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                            For some reason, the parliamentarian of the House ruled that the interstate sales could not be addressed in the budget bill.
                            Becasue they get money from people who profit from how it is now?


                            • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                              The House passed their Health care bill. Someday I hope someone bothers to read it. No one knows what it is going to cost and how many people will lose coverage. Now let's see it get through the senate.
                              Ya gotta give these retards some credit - well, YOU don't.

                              But really, they DID something ! After saying for years they were going to do this, they were going to do that, they were going to going to going to going to .... The half-witted republican "party" DID something. Something they said they were going to do !!! Better write this on our calendar, we'll likely not see this again for 50 or more years.

                              I wouldn't be overly worried. It sounds like what they did ( and no, they probably didn't read it ) will just be a minorly tweaked version of obamacare, that THEY can try to credit themselves with, by calling it something else LOL

                              So, we'll still have obama care and the idiot republicans will try to tell us it's something else by calling it a different name.

                              Politicians -rollseyes- . . . and we wonder why no one with any brains wants to be one !?


                              • If the Senate doesn't pass something too, Obamacare will die under its own weight very soon.