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  • Originally posted by msc View Post
    I really shouldn't be surprised that Trump isn't fighting for the full Obama repeal. As that is my cause, I payed close attention to every word he said on the subject from the start. And he didn't start out campaigning on an ACA repeal until he calculated "Repeal" was the key word to use in his campaign regarding healthcare. He also said a few things early on in the primaries that made me believe that he has no real interest in getting the gov't out of the healthcare insurance business. Don't think loosing the ACA repeal fight is something that he cares about loosing or even considers it a loss.

    I've always said that Trump's issues and passion are with the tax code, foreign relations, trade, and securing the boarders, and the military. The rest he didn't really care about. Now with his lack of interest in a full ACA repeal and lack of serious concern about what kind of replacement plan is passed, it's pretty clear to me that healthcare is simply something that he can sacrifice up while choosing his battles for his primary cause's. Don't even think he wanted a conservative judge in SCOTUS because he cares about preserving the constitution, but only because he can keep the conservatives on board and that a constitutional judge will be less of an obstructionist to his EO's.

    I predict that when it comes to the tax code, Trump will allow a gov't shut down if he doesn't get the important things that he thinks are necessary to be successful. I believe he will fight hard for it, and play a major role in the orchestration. I also believe that he asked for more that what he believes is necessary for tax reform so he could negotiate to what he believes is necessary. I think we'll see a very different stature from Trump when it come to tax reform.

    In the name of full disclosure, I don't fancy myself to always be the sharpest tool in the shed, but more often than not, to my dismay, I've been right about what I anticipated what was to come. Often, I hope to be wrong. Often I put to side the negative I anticipate, to maintain hope and pass it off as ignorance in certain matters. Often the hope I maintained has been in vein.

    I'm not trying to promote myself as the wise authority, I consider it to be because of my calculation, but perhaps it's just coincidence. I don't know. It's just that everything bad that I suspect, seems to come true. Maybe it's just that I'm more pessimistic than some and pessimism regarding the gov't and politics is always the right answer. Though I hope that's not the case, because that would mean that we will also be disappointed about what happens with the tax code. Because my prediction is not based on pessimism.
    I think you're probably right, or pretty close. We'll find out.

    I DO hope obama and his "care" are repealed. Do I think that's going to happen completely ?

    Probably not.

    I can accept what is created from this mess IF freedom is the first rule that is followed in what comes about. This means that "mandates" must be gone.

    Originally posted by redrover View Post
    Expecting Trump to produce something coherent is like giving a monkey a word processor and expecting him to write the great American novel. Voter's should have seen it coming when Trump was unable to detail any specifics during the campaign. It's going to be great you are going to love it. Is not a plan.
    Expecting anyone to be productive when they're forced to work with people who are concerned only with their own interests - paychecks, income, exemptions from laws the rest of us have to follow, retirement benefits etc - is like expecting one person alone to herd 30 cats around in the forest.

    Term limits term limits term limits !!

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    • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

      I think you're probably right, or pretty close. We'll find out.

      I DO hope obama and his "care" are repealed. Do I think that's going to happen completely ?

      Probably not.

      I can accept what is created from this mess IF freedom is the first rule that is followed in what comes about. This means that "mandates" must be gone.



      Expecting anyone to be productive when they're forced to work with people who are concerned only with their own interests - paychecks, income, exemptions from laws the rest of us have to follow, retirement benefits etc - is like expecting one person alone to herd 30 cats around in the forest.

      Term limits term limits term limits !!
      I don't think term limits is the answer. You elected a president who has no understanding of how to work within the system. Of course you guys hate the system and would welcome a right wing dictator.

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      • Originally posted by redrover View Post
        I don't think term limits is the answer. You elected a president who has no understanding of how to work within the system. Of course you guys hate the system and would welcome a right wing dictator.
        You don't think term limits are the answer. Of course hilary and bill don't either.

        Hell, they think they should run the world together . . . you were saying something about people who are mad for power ... having dreams of being dictators.

        Thank Heavens the American people rejected those two nuts eh ? LOL Yeah, FINALLY LOL

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        • Originally posted by redrover View Post

          Expecting Trump to produce something coherent is like giving a monkey a word processor and expecting him to write the great American novel. Voter's should have seen it coming when Trump was unable to detail any specifics during the campaign. It's going to be great you are going to love it. Is not a plan.
          Though a monkey could handle a word processor better than Hillary Clinton. She's be wiping it clean with rag to have another pretty little shinny object in her home. Though she'd probably be ordering one of her servants to do it. Certainly she'd be confused about what the plug and cord were for.

          With the choice between the two, even though I believe he will not improve the healthcare system, I'd still vote for Trump. He has accomplished two of the most important things of his presidency already. 1. Appointing Gorsuch! And 2. preventing a full speed ahead, rationed, unequal, gov't, healthcare dictatorship, as one little part of the overall preventive measure of the complete annihilation of the US constitution and freedom for all. That would be keeping Hillary Clinton out of office! All Americans are winners already because she also won't be able to continue to sell off more and more of the United States, to Russia for her personal gain.
          Last edited by msc; 05-09-2017, 02:46 AM.

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          • Originally posted by redrover View Post

            I don't think term limits is the answer. You elected a president who has no understanding of how to work within the system. Of course you guys hate the system and would welcome a right wing dictator.
            Definitely Term limits! Only heard one candidate strongly proposing it. Before and after he became a candidate. But we know that will never happen without a convention of the states. Certainly can't expect money grubbing crooks to limit the amount of time they get to ride the gravy train.

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            • Originally posted by msc View Post
              Definitely Term limits! Only heard one candidate strongly proposing it. Before and after he became a candidate. But we know that will never happen without a convention of the states. Certainly can't expect money grubbing crooks to limit the amount of time they get to ride the gravy train.
              Term limits were maybe not put into our founding documents because the founders assumed the men & women working for the people would be decent enough to vacate their post after a sensible amount of time, rather than use these positions as lifetime careers of easy money and "benefits" at the peoples expense.

              Big mistake assuming these people would be decent and sensible into the future.

              As far as obama and his "care," it's caused enough trouble.

              obama's plan of "care" is collapsing, so it has to be repealed &/or replaced.

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              Maryland has announced a 58 percent premium increase for next year and Aetna has pulled out of Virginia.

              "This law is collapsing and people aren't getting any care, let alone affordable care," said Ryan.

              "This law is failing fast," Ryan told Fox News' "Fox and Friends" program. "What we're doing is a rescue operation, which is getting rid of this law, which is collapsing. In Iowa last week, the last insurer said 'we are pulling out.' That means 94 of 99 counties in the state of Iowa [will have] no health insurance choices."

              The left, meanwhile, is "spreading these narratives to try and just basically throw sand in the gears" because they do not want to lose Obamacare, said Ryan.


              [ everybody else does though ]

              "They want their vision of a government-run system takeover of healthcare to occur, and it's not happening," the speaker said. "What our plan does is it gives people more choices, gives them a tax credit so they can go buy a plan that they want."

              On Sunday, Jonathan Gruber, an MIT economics professor, also known as the co-architect of Obamacare, blamed President Donald Trump for Obamacare's problems, but Ryan commented in response that the healthcare law has never worked.


              [ let's blame obamas retarded idea's failure on someone else LOL so desperate ]

              Ryan also denied complaints that the bill was passed without giving lawmakers the chance to read through it, pointing out that the original AHCA was online for a couple of months.

              "The last amendment was a three-page amendment," said Ryan. "Obamacare was over 2,000 pages. This bill is less than 200 pages, and it was posted online for over a month. Anybody in America, anybody in the world could read this bill."


              http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Ryan.../09/id/788985/

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              • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                Term limits were maybe not put into our founding documents because the founders assumed the men & women working for the people would be decent enough to vacate their post after a sensible amount of time, rather than use these positions as lifetime careers of easy money and "benefits" at the peoples expense.

                Big mistake assuming these people would be decent and sensible into the future.

                As far as obama and his "care," it's caused enough trouble.

                obama's plan of "care" is collapsing, so it has to be repealed &/or replaced.

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                Maryland has announced a 58 percent premium increase for next year and Aetna has pulled out of Virginia.

                "This law is collapsing and people aren't getting any care, let alone affordable care," said Ryan.

                "This law is failing fast," Ryan told Fox News' "Fox and Friends" program. "What we're doing is a rescue operation, which is getting rid of this law, which is collapsing. In Iowa last week, the last insurer said 'we are pulling out.' That means 94 of 99 counties in the state of Iowa [will have] no health insurance choices."

                The left, meanwhile, is "spreading these narratives to try and just basically throw sand in the gears" because they do not want to lose Obamacare, said Ryan.


                [ everybody else does though ]

                "They want their vision of a government-run system takeover of healthcare to occur, and it's not happening," the speaker said. "What our plan does is it gives people more choices, gives them a tax credit so they can go buy a plan that they want."

                On Sunday, Jonathan Gruber, an MIT economics professor, also known as the co-architect of Obamacare, blamed President Donald Trump for Obamacare's problems, but Ryan commented in response that the healthcare law has never worked.


                [ let's blame obamas retarded idea's failure on someone else LOL so desperate ]

                Ryan also denied complaints that the bill was passed without giving lawmakers the chance to read through it, pointing out that the original AHCA was online for a couple of months.

                "The last amendment was a three-page amendment," said Ryan. "Obamacare was over 2,000 pages. This bill is less than 200 pages, and it was posted online for over a month. Anybody in America, anybody in the world could read this bill."


                http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Ryan.../09/id/788985/




                Remember when Ryan said this:
                Its no surprise that someone named Obama vetoed a bill repealing Obamacare, Ryan said in a statement.

                But heres the thing. The idea that Obamacare is the law of the land for good is a myth. This law will collapse under its own weight, or it will be repealed. Because all those rules and procedures Senate Democrats have used to block us from doing this? Thats all history, he added. We have now shown that there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the Senate. So, next year, if were sending this bill to a Republican president, it will get signed into law.

                http://www.redstate.com/patterico/20...-votes-senate/


                Then he says this:
                "Obamacare is the law of the land... and we're going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future,"
                http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ryan-...ry?id=46355319


                Now he says this:
                "What we're doing is a rescue operation,"

                He says it as if it's what was always intended and as if they're keeping their promises. We weren't promised an Obama Care rescue. In fact that's the exact opposite of what we voted for. In no way did he lead us to believe ACA would be the base line with adjustments. All of them, Ryan, Trump, Republicans, led us to believe that the base line would be what we had before ACA with things like competition between state lines and other tweaks to help the previous system.

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                repeal
                rəˈpēl/

                verb
                revoke or annul (a law or congressional act).
                "the legislation was repealed five months later"
                synonyms: revoke, rescind, cancel, reverse, annul, nullify, declare null and void, quash, abolish;More
                noun
                the action of revoking or annulling a law or congressional act.
                "the House voted in favor of repeal"
                synonyms: revocation, rescinding, cancellation, reversal, annulment, nullification, quashing, abolition;
                replace
                rəˈplās/

                verb
                take the place of.
                "Ian's smile was replaced by a frown"

                put (something) back in a previous place or position.
                "he drained his glass and replaced it on the bar"
                synonyms: put back, return, restore
                "Eve replaced the receiver"
                https://www.google.com/search?q=DEFI...hrome&ie=UTF-8
                https://www.google.com/search?q=DEFI...ION+OF+REPLACE

                Ryan if full of it!!!!!!!!!!!!
                Last edited by msc; 05-10-2017, 04:07 AM.

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                • Originally posted by msc View Post
                  Remember when Ryan said this:
                  Its no surprise that someone named Obama vetoed a bill repealing Obamacare, Ryan said in a statement.

                  But heres the thing. The idea that Obamacare is the law of the land for good is a myth. This law will collapse under its own weight, or it will be repealed. Because all those rules and procedures Senate Democrats have used to block us from doing this? Thats all history, he added. We have now shown that there is a clear path to repealing Obamacare without 60 votes in the Senate. So, next year, if were sending this bill to a Republican president, it will get signed into law.

                  http://www.redstate.com/patterico/20...-votes-senate/


                  Then he says this:
                  "Obamacare is the law of the land... and we're going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future,"
                  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ryan-...ry?id=46355319


                  Now he says this:
                  "What we're doing is a rescue operation,"

                  He says it as if it's what was always intended and as if they're keeping their promises. We weren't promised an Obama Care rescue. In fact that's the exact opposite of what we voted for. In no way did he lead us to believe ACA would be the base line with adjustments. All of them, Ryan, Trump, Republicans, led us to believe that the base line would be what we had before ACA with things like competition between state lines and other tweaks to help the previous system.

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                  repeal
                  rəˈpēl/

                  verb
                  revoke or annul (a law or congressional act).
                  "the legislation was repealed five months later"
                  synonyms: revoke, rescind, cancel, reverse, annul, nullify, declare null and void, quash, abolish;More
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                  the action of revoking or annulling a law or congressional act.
                  "the House voted in favor of repeal"
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                  replace
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                  verb
                  take the place of.
                  "Ian's smile was replaced by a frown"

                  put (something) back in a previous place or position.
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                  synonyms: put back, return, restore
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                  Ryan if full of it!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  Another politician blowing sunshine up the people behinds - surprise surprise -rollseyes-

                  ... it still sickens me too, but what can we do ?

                  Vote ?

                  For more criminals to sing us sweet songs and puff sunshine at us ?

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                  • Obama"care" isn't going anywhere.

                    Democrats STILL aren't happy ???

                    No, they're busy trying to convince themselves that Putin elected Trump..So Dumb.

                    D stands for Democrats ?

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                    House-Passed Bill Is Obamacare, Not Trumpcare

                    Last week, the U.S. House of Representatives crafted a partisan compromise bill that endorsed and reinforced the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare. This was done notwithstanding claims to the contrary by President Donald Trump and the House Republican leadership, who want us to believe that this bill, if it becomes law, will effectively repeal and replace Obamacare.

                    ...


                    Barack Obama may have subtly succeeded in changing the landscape of thinking about federal involvement in health care. For those who believe that the Constitution means what it says, it was disheartening to see President Trump and so many Republicans in Congress who once defended the free market now assume that all Americans want the feds to care for them and that somehow the Constitution permits it.

                    Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton rarely agreed on principles of government. But they did agree that when the public treasury becomes a public trough and the people recognize that, the people will send to the federal government only those who will bring home the biggest piece of the federal pie. The House-passed bill was produced by federal government representatives who manifest that.


                    http://www.newsmax.com/AndrewNapolit.../10/id/789301/

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                    "Take care of me mommy PLEEEEEASE !!!!!" - We the Sheeple

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                    • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                      Another politician blowing sunshine up the people behinds - surprise surprise -rollseyes-

                      ... it still sickens me too, but what can we do ?

                      Vote ?

                      For more criminals to sing us sweet songs and puff sunshine at us ?
                      Republicans are rubbing their hands in delight as they contemplate running in 2018 on the resounding success they had in passing Trump Care. The only people who are happier are the Democrats.

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                      • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                        Republicans are rubbing their hands in delight as they contemplate running in 2018 on the resounding success they had in passing Trump Care. The only people who are happier are the Democrats.
                        Democrats are imploding on a daily basis making complete asses of themselves.

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                        • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                          Republicans are rubbing their hands in delight as they contemplate running in 2018 on the resounding success they had in passing Trump Care. The only people who are happier are the Democrats.
                          Maybe, but they aren't gonna have a chance.

                          It's not trumpcare, it's Obama care still !!! see post #1693 previous page

                          You should be happy !!

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                          • The problem here with the Ryan and like minded Republicans is that they too have not grasped what is important to the American people that earns them votes. They are dismissing what has gotten them elected.

                            The one thing that all people who voted in Republican control, that has directly, not in a round about way, touched EVERYONE negatively is Obama Care. All republican voters know first hand the harm Obama Care has done to them PERSONALLY, as they feel it daily, weekly, and or monthly when they pay their un-affordable premium and have medical issues that they can't afford to address or can't select good medical care.

                            With the other important issues, it had to be explained to many why the democrat policies are harming them, and each issue problem can be explained with a multitude of reasons for certain things that are negatively taking place, leaving people without being able to pinpoint one exact thing that changed or is happening that is harming the safety and economy of the nation. Or one specific thing that will resolve the problem. Each one of the other issues can be thought of as speculation to why certain bad things are happening. Or speculation to why this one thing or that thing will help or fix the problem. With first hand knowledge and experience, it resonates more, and is tangible to all individuals. We CAN pinpoint that the one reason for the problem with the healthcare system is the implementation of the ACA. Building a wall, controlling immigration, stop sending billions to foreign countries, minimizing refugee settlement in the US, eliminating sanctuary cities, preventing nukes in North Korea, sanctions on Iran, building up the military, helping vets, better trade deals, etc. are all important and necessary things that we want done, and NEED done, but all don't experience the direct ills first hand, and can not place immediate relevance to each one of those issues.

                            I firmly believe that the one issue that has united those who voted in Republican control is the repeal and replacement of the ACA. If the promises are not fulfilled as they have been made, I believe it will be an uphill battle for Republicans to retain the congress and the White House in the upcoming elections. I don't believe that this new bill, so far as it stands, will better the healthcare system enough that the collective society will be much better off. Enough better off. The benefits of the new bill have to be felt largely and quickly by the citizens. The Republicans in office can't afford the time for a slow and dragged out process.
                            Last edited by msc; 05-12-2017, 04:29 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by msc View Post
                              The problem here with the Ryan and like minded Republicans is that they too have not grasped what is important to the American people that earns them votes. They are dismissing what has gotten them elected.

                              The one thing that all people who voted in Republican control, that has directly, not in a round about way, touched EVERYONE negatively is Obama Care. All republican voters know first hand the harm Obama Care has done to them PERSONALLY, as they feel it daily, weekly, and or monthly when they pay their un-affordable premium and have medical issues that they can't afford to address or can't select good medical care.

                              With the other important issues, it had to be explained to many why the democrat policies are harming them, and each issue problem can be explained with a multitude of reasons for certain things that are negatively taking place, leaving people without being able to pinpoint one exact thing that changed or is happening that is harming the safety and economy of the nation. Or one specific thing that will resolve the problem. Each one of the other issues can be thought of as speculation to why certain bad things are happening. Or speculation to why this one thing or that thing will help or fix the problem. With first hand knowledge and experience, it resonates more, and is tangible to all individuals. We CAN pinpoint that the one reason for the problem with the healthcare system is the implementation of the ACA. Building a wall, controlling immigration, stop sending billions to foreign countries, minimizing refugee settlement in the US, eliminating sanctuary cities, preventing nukes in North Korea, sanctions on Iran, building up the military, helping vets, better trade deals, etc. are all important and necessary things that we want done, and NEED done, but all don't experience the direct ills first hand, and can not place immediate relevance to each one of those issues.

                              I firmly believe that the one issue that has united those who voted in Republican control is the repeal and replacement of the ACA. If the promises are not fulfilled as they have been made, I believe it will be an uphill battle for Republicans to retain the congress and the White House in the upcoming elections. I don't believe that this new bill, so far as it stands, will better the healthcare system enough that the collective society will be much better off. Enough better off. The benefits of the new bill have to be felt largely and quickly by the citizens. The Republicans in office can't afford the time for a slow and dragged out process.
                              The "R" party had better get it's act together . . . YESTERDAY then.

                              ... which I don't expect to happen.

                              Retards are retards are retards. ... "R"

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                              • I call on the attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Federal Gov't's meddling in America's free market health insurance.

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