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  • Meanwhile, Canadas Free Health Care System Is Also Exploding

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/03/me...lso-exploding/

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    • What's new ? The party of retards can accomplish nothing. They talk and promise and talk and promise and talk and promise and ....

      ... nothing.

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      Now with once-in-a-generation control of the executive and legislative branches, an opportunity to lead and govern, the GOP cant seem get their heads out of their nether regions to do something of significance. Simple things like what they have been promising their constituents.

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      Come September 30, Republicans will no longer be able to repeal ObamaCare with only 51 Senate votes based on Senate rules on reconciliation. On October 1, less than two weeks away, 60 votes will be needed to advance any legislation. Tick tock.

      Sure, the Senate can change the rules, but dont hold your breath waiting for that. The Senate already failed on their first repeal attempt in July. They created the September 30 deadline through the budget resolution passed in January. Back when they were basking in the light of Donald Trumps electoral coattails. The proverbial dog chasing the car finally catching it and asking itself, What now?


      ...

      http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...re_repeal.html

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      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
        What's new ? The party of retards can accomplish nothing. They talk and promise and talk and promise and talk and promise and ....

        ... nothing.

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        ...

        Now with once-in-a-generation control of the executive and legislative branches, an opportunity to lead and govern, the GOP cant seem get their heads out of their nether regions to do something of significance. Simple things like what they have been promising their constituents.

        ...

        Come September 30, Republicans will no longer be able to repeal ObamaCare with only 51 Senate votes based on Senate rules on reconciliation. On October 1, less than two weeks away, 60 votes will be needed to advance any legislation. Tick tock.

        Sure, the Senate can change the rules, but dont hold your breath waiting for that. The Senate already failed on their first repeal attempt in July. They created the September 30 deadline through the budget resolution passed in January. Back when they were basking in the light of Donald Trumps electoral coattails. The proverbial dog chasing the car finally catching it and asking itself, What now?


        ...

        http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...re_repeal.html
        Republicans think they have to pas something immediately even if it sucks because they said they would. If that's not a great reason for passing a stupid bill that 90% of the country is going to hate. Idon't know what is..

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        • Originally posted by redrover View Post
          Republicans think they have to pas something immediately even if it sucks because they said they would. If that's not a great reason for passing a stupid bill that 90% of the country is going to hate. Idon't know what is..
          Wasn't it you who has been making fun of Republicans for doing nothing about Obamacare?

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          • Originally posted by redrover View Post
            Republicans think they have to pas something immediately even if it sucks because they said they would. If that's not a great reason for passing a stupid bill that 90% of the country is going to hate. Idon't know what is..
            That's what democrats did.

            What makes you think that "90% of the country is going to hate" getting rid of the UNaffordable "care" act ?

            Oh, of course. I always forget.

            We have a "news" media that will show 39 dingalings rioting & carrying signs proclaiming "grandmas gonna die" if obama's wonderful "care" is taken way from her LOL

            ... and you'll believe it.

            Take heart though, it doesn't look like obama'care' is going anywhere.

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            U.S. Sen. John McCain said Friday he will not support his party's Graham-Cassidy healthcare legislation, dashing hopes for GOP leaders.

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            One person in the comments area says;

            "Graham-Cassidy fence riders are being given a choice between the following two Obamacare outcomes.

            1) It can be mercifully unplugged by Graham-Cassidy passage.

            2) It can continue an agonizing descent to flat line, taking all participants back to uninsured status.

            It's all good, and it's over folks. We've won!"


            http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ALL.../22/id/815195/

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            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

              That's what democrats did.

              What makes you think that "90% of the country is going to hate" getting rid of the UNaffordable "care" act ?

              Oh, of course. I always forget.

              We have a "news" media that will show 39 dingalings rioting & carrying signs proclaiming "grandmas gonna die" if obama's wonderful "care" is taken way from her LOL

              ... and you'll believe it.

              Take heart though, it doesn't look like obama'care' is going anywhere.

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              U.S. Sen. John McCain said Friday he will not support his party's Graham-Cassidy healthcare legislation, dashing hopes for GOP leaders.

              .....


              One person in the comments area says;

              "Graham-Cassidy fence riders are being given a choice between the following two Obamacare outcomes.

              1) It can be mercifully unplugged by Graham-Cassidy passage.

              2) It can continue an agonizing descent to flat line, taking all participants back to uninsured status.

              It's all good, and it's over folks. We've won!"


              http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ALL.../22/id/815195/
              I hadn't thought of it that way. Now, millions of Americans will have a choice:
              -Be uninsured under Obamacare after it completes the implosion, or...
              -Be uninsured under the Graham-Cassidy legislation, after it ramps up to full implementation and more employers drop out; they can't afford to keep up with inflation in employee medical care.

              The only way medical care costs go down, is if costs for insurance, technology and professional staff fall. Ain't gonna happen. Compare the chunk we pay for insurance. Link:
              But even a profit margin of 5% belies the frequent assertion that private health insurers divert huge fractions of their premiums to their own profits. Much more troublesome is the 18 cents per premium dollar reported to cover the insurers operating costs. These include the cost of marketing, determining eligibility, utilization controls (eg, prior authorization of particular procedures), claims processing, and negotiating fees with each and every physician, hospital, and other health care workers and facilities.

              These operating costs are about twice as high as are the overhead costs of insurers in simpler health insurance systems in other countries.
              http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama...rticle/2631518

              Is gummint responsible for some of the inflation in health care? You bet. Is the private sector also responsible for that healthy inflation rate? We'll get back to you on that (cough, cough).

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              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                Wasn't it you who has been making fun of Republicans for doing nothing about Obamacare?
                So true, OMD. Now the GOP is doing nothing about providing an affordable replacement.

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                • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                  So true, OMD. Now the GOP is doing nothing about providing an affordable replacement.
                  Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                  I hadn't thought of it that way. Now, millions of Americans will have a choice:
                  -Be uninsured under Obamacare after it completes the implosion, or...
                  -Be uninsured under the Graham-Cassidy legislation, after it ramps up to full implementation and more employers drop out; they can't afford to keep up with inflation in employee medical care.

                  The only way medical care costs go down, is if costs for insurance, technology and professional staff fall. Ain't gonna happen. Compare the chunk we pay for insurance. Link:

                  http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama...rticle/2631518

                  Is gummint responsible for some of the inflation in health care? You bet. Is the private sector also responsible for that healthy inflation rate? We'll get back to you on that (cough, cough).

                  Dumbasses - democrats, led by Mr. obama, gave to us the wonders of the "affordable" care act.

                  Retards - republicans, can't finish picking their noses and getting dressed enough to DO something about it.

                  That the government had, never has had ANY business in this area of our lives, is proven here. But they forced themselves into it and upon us.

                  I don't see how this can ever be "fixed."

                  How many times have we seen the tentacles of the great stupid octopus that is our "government," untangled and detached from something it has gotten itself attached to ?

                  I can't recall any instances, can you ? Not without killing the octopus LOL they just don't let go EVER.

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                  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post




                    Dumbasses - democrats, led by Mr. obama, gave to us the wonders of the "affordable" care act.

                    Retards - republicans, can't finish picking their noses and getting dressed enough to DO something about it.

                    That the government had, never has had ANY business in this area of our lives, is proven here. But they forced themselves into it and upon us.

                    I don't see how this can ever be "fixed."

                    How many times have we seen the tentacles of the great stupid octopus that is our "government," untangled and detached from something it has gotten itself attached to ?

                    I can't recall any instances, can you ? Not without killing the octopus LOL they just don't let go EVER.
                    While we wait for the gov't. to efficiently expand and contract as needed, without anyone blinking an eye, something should be done about health care. Those making below median income can't afford health care once it becomes more complicated than preventive (general practice MD) visits. That has to do with problems in regulation by private and public sector parties. It has to do with a lot more than regs, too. A complicated mess, in short.

                    Main problem, as I see it: We put gummint and private sector insurance companies into the first mix, when those parties should have been left in the waiting room until the doctors and patient advocates hashed out a first draft. Then the gov't. and insurance comes in, to present their plan. Debate the differences, look at how it was done affordably in other developed countries (ranging from socialist to libertarian). Oh, and one last thing: Do all that without tolerating anyone getting their panties in a bunch because their favorite system (socialism or capitalism) failed to dominate the solution. If the last rule is just too much to swallow, then let the capitalists try their plan in a "red state" region (say 5-6 states), while the socialists try their plan in a ""blue" region. And yes, the results can be compared "apples to apples". It is cost per patient, cost per ailment, and cost per insured person.

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                    • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                      While we wait for the gov't. to efficiently expand and contract as needed, without anyone blinking an eye, something should be done about health care. Those making below median income can't afford health care once it becomes more complicated than preventive (general practice MD) visits. That has to do with problems in regulation by private and public sector parties. It has to do with a lot more than regs, too. A complicated mess, in short.
                      Yes, a very complicated mess.

                      Just like our tax "code." This is what happens when we let ridiculous fools "regulate" ANYTHING.

                      Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                      Main problem, as I see it: We put gummint and private sector insurance companies into the first mix, when those parties should have been left in the waiting room until the doctors and patient advocates hashed out a first draft. Then the gov't. and insurance comes in, to present their plan. Debate the differences, look at how it was done affordably in other developed countries (ranging from socialist to libertarian). Oh, and one last thing: Do all that without tolerating anyone getting their panties in a bunch because their favorite system (socialism or capitalism) failed to dominate the solution. If the last rule is just too much to swallow, then let the capitalists try their plan in a "red state" region (say 5-6 states), while the socialists try their plan in a ""blue" region. And yes, the results can be compared "apples to apples". It is cost per patient, cost per ailment, and cost per insured person.
                      Insurance is an industry running on the same principles as gambling casinos. . . it's a moneymaker and a benefactor for a very few people.

                      A big steady stream loss for most others. It's a great scam, if you can get in on the good side of it.

                      The govt. smells money and of course they wanted in on the game.

                      Now they're in on the game. Anytime there's a lot of money involved... here comes "the govt.".. they want to "help" .... themselves to a "piece of the pie"

                      Good luck ...

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                      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                        Yes, a very complicated mess.

                        Just like our tax "code." This is what happens when we let ridiculous fools "regulate" ANYTHING.



                        Insurance is an industry running on the same principles as gambling casinos. . . it's a moneymaker and a benefactor for a very few people.

                        A big steady stream loss for most others. It's a great scam, if you can get in on the good side of it.

                        The govt. smells money and of course they wanted in on the game.

                        Now they're in on the game. Anytime there's a lot of money involved... here comes "the govt.".. they want to "help" .... themselves to a "piece of the pie"

                        Good luck ...
                        The alternative to large, for profit insurance companies? Private, cooperative insurance organizations. Scares the crap out of capitalists and socialists alike, as it leaves them in the cold with the insurance requirement for individual health care. And that group insurance is a requirement when it comes to health care; very few individuals could afford to insure themselves when it's needed for expensive medical treatment.

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                        • Originally posted by radcentr View Post

                          The alternative to large, for profit insurance companies? Private, cooperative insurance organizations. Scares the crap out of capitalists and socialists alike, as it leaves them in the cold with the insurance requirement for individual health care. And that group insurance is a requirement when it comes to health care; very few individuals could afford to insure themselves when it's needed for expensive medical treatment.
                          Obamacare established a whole bunch of cooperatives, they all failed.

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                          • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                            The alternative to large, for profit insurance companies? Private, cooperative insurance organizations. Scares the crap out of capitalists and socialists alike, as it leaves them in the cold with the insurance requirement for individual health care. And that group insurance is a requirement when it comes to health care; very few individuals could afford to insure themselves when it's needed for expensive medical treatment.
                            There IS no good alternative. The very notion of insurance, is based on chance like gambling. That's why I pointed out that the insurance industry runs on the same principles gambling casinos do.

                            Getting government involved is what's a truly frightening idea. We get "requirements" and "regulations" aimed at us "for our own good" and at OUR expense. .. and loss of freedom.

                            Massive expense ! A LOT less freedom... less money, less ability to make our own choices. .. govt knowitalls telling us how we must "live" for our "benefit." etc.

                            What ? Do we imagine "the govt" is going to "manage" our health & well-ness for free !!! LOL ... yeah ....

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                            • Medical costs, like college costs and all other things where the government is involved in the cost and regulation structure is doomed to failure. There is no supply and demand pressure to keep those costs in check. As long as someone else is paying the bill, I have no reservation in going to the doctor for the most minor thing. Maybe even a free ambulance ride downtown if I have no other way of getting there. As long as the government requires me to purchase a plan that covers pregnancy and birth control, I can't make a choice to purchase a lower cost plan. As long as government is involved in any business transaction, it will cost vastly more. Half of the cost of our medical system today is government required documentation

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                              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                                Medical costs, like college costs and all other things where the government is involved in the cost and regulation structure is doomed to failure. There is no supply and demand pressure to keep those costs in check. As long as someone else is paying the bill, I have no reservation in going to the doctor for the most minor thing. Maybe even a free ambulance ride downtown if I have no other way of getting there. As long as the government requires me to purchase a plan that covers pregnancy and birth control, I can't make a choice to purchase a lower cost plan. As long as government is involved in any business transaction, it will cost vastly more. Half of the cost of our medical system today is government required documentation
                                The current bill is just another example of republican oppression, for those chafing under the yoke of republican tyranny I suggest you do as I do and seek comfort in the holy bible. Currently my favorite verse is ISIAH 49/26. http://biblehub.com/isaiah/49-26.htm

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