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  • EXCLUSIVE: Insolvent New Mexico Obamacare Co-op Boasted Six-Figure Salaries

    The New Mexico Co-op burned through $77.3 million in federal loans awarded by the Obama administrations Centers for Medicare and Medicaid in 2012. The nonprofit was bleeding about $20 million in red ink a year, an Albuquerque Journal editorial noted.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/10/ex...m_medium=email

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    • Horrible news. Probably because they paid their executives salaries in the mid-six figures. Rather odd strategy for a cooperative that provides essential services.

      Good news in your link, OMD: 3 other cooperatives still operating in NM. A regional system of non-profits needs to be set up, along with audits, to control and weed out co-ops that overpay their administrators. Regional competition (say, NM, CO, AZ and UT) will also give poorly performing HC providers a wake up (or go-away) call, while providing customers more choice.

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      • "Vladimir Lenin (1870-1924) stated: Socialized medicine is a keystone to the establishment of a socialist state.

        And it is.

        It was the largest part of barack obamas plan to "fundamentally transform" America.

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        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
          "Vladimir Lenin (1870-1924) stated: Socialized medicine is a keystone to the establishment of a socialist state.

          And it is.

          It was the largest part of barack obamas plan to "fundamentally transform" America.
          The system before Obama's odd mix of socialist and capitalist health care financing, was a private sector market for most working citizens. The GOP would have hit this issue out of the park, if they had publicly recognized two facts:
          -The wealthy can afford health care from a for-profit provider, and....
          -For profit providers cannot afford to provide certain types of health care to those who are not wealthy.

          This is obvious, and it was ignored by both parties. There is no rational place to go, until the gov't. publicly recognizes these two facts, and works from there. Here is a question to demonstrate why conservatives won't publicly recognize the Big Two: Which sector(s) could provide certain high cost procedures to the non-wealthy?

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          • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
            The system before Obama's odd mix of socialist and capitalist health care financing, was a private sector market for most working citizens. The GOP would have hit this issue out of the park, if they had publicly recognized two facts:
            -The wealthy can afford health care from a for-profit provider, and....
            -For profit providers cannot afford to provide certain types of health care to those who are not wealthy.

            This is obvious, and it was ignored by both parties. There is no rational place to go, until the gov't. publicly recognizes these two facts, and works from there. Here is a question to demonstrate why conservatives won't publicly recognize the Big Two: Which sector(s) could provide certain high cost procedures to the non-wealthy?
            No matter how this issue plays itself out, people and their relations with medical care..

            - it's medical NOT healthcare, everyone that's not mentally retarded is capable of providing their own healthcare -

            ..will only be made more difficult and more expensive with government involvement. Even before crazy barry and his nutty fundamental transformation of America, government involvement with medical care was costing all of us more.... even though we were all made to believe how much better care was going to be with our wonderful government managing it and "looking out for us" with endless regulations.

            Expecting ANY government body to make medical care more affordable and better just seems like fantasy.

            Maybe I'll be proven incorrect ! I doubt it ! ... but it wouldn't be the first time, so ....

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            • Govt. mandated medical insurance is bad for your health.

              Bad for your economic health & bad for your physical health.


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              Unfortunately, if you try to be cheap by legislating "free" health care now, you'll pay dearly later. Health care that was rationed by price will become rationed by rules that make it less and less available.

              In England, this process is reaching a tipping point. A couple of years ago people were waiting many hours in the Emergency Department just to be seen by a doctor. So the NHS ruled in 2004 that 95% of all patients would be seen within four hours of arrival. In order to avoid breaking the rule, Emergency Departments refused to allow ambulances to unload their patients until the ED could meet the time standard. So patients were stuck in ambulances outside the ED door, and there weren't enough ambulances left to answer calls. Now the rule has been scrapped. Predictably, the left-wing members of Parliament are calling for more money. And that brings us to the second law.

              The Law of Subsidy says that "When you subsidize something, you get more of it and it gets more expensive." In England, this happened a bit more slowly than in the U.S. It may be that the older generations of Britons were a bit more "proper" than us Yanks, and so tended to rely less on the dole than current generations. This slowed the growth of the NHS but did not change the ultimate outcome.

              The National Health Service was sold as a way to provide health care to an underprivileged population. Aneurin Bevan stated that,

              "The collective principle asserts that... no society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means."

              "The National Health service and the Welfare State have come to be used as interchangeable terms, and in the mouths of some people as terms of reproach. Why this is so it is not difficult to understand, if you view everything from the angle of a strictly individualistic competitive society. A free health service is pure Socialism and as such it is opposed to the hedonism of capitalist society."

              The language of his disdain for economic laws should be familiar in tone. By calling capitalism "uncivilised" and "hedonism," he presaged Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and its call to "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." The truth is unimportant. Victory is all that matters.

              Bevan succeeded, but his victory is being erased by the Law of Subsidy. What was sold as a boon to the poor has become a subsidy for bureaucrats. The Law of the Bureaucrat declares that while a bureaucracy may have been created to deal with a perceived problem, the bureaucrat's Prime Directive is to ensure that he has a job forever. And because he was appointed to solve the problem, he's smarter than everyone else and should be paid accordingly.

              Perversely, the bureaucrat can never solve the problem, or his job would disappear. So he continues with the language that created him, trying to sell greater and greater funding for his failed enterprise. And when it fails more dramatically, he blames anyone but himself, and gets rewarded with a bigger budget. Ultimately, as Margaret Thatcher famously quipped, "The problem with liberalism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

              ..government is bad for your health. Just as with the NHS, the U.S. population has been sold the lie that insurance is necessary for long life. In fact, all insurance does is increase cost, because it's a subsidy for those who provide health care. But there has been a conspiracy of silence over this fact. Further, the treatment of health insurance premiums as a non-taxed "fringe benefit" makes it easier to subsidize further. In short, Congress passes a pretty "benefit" that you actually pay for. And it ultimately ratchets costs higher.

              I spent thirty-two years on the medical staff of a major metropolitan medical center. There was no incentive for the administration to ever negotiate with an individual on price. Instead, it was always a deal between the hospital and the insurance company. My medical group did the same thing. We negotiated prices with Blue Cross, Humana, and other insurance companies. They passed on the costs to patients via premiums, all the while lobbying for more and more mandates on coverage.

              Could there be a system more devoted to screwing the public? No one is personally intending to cause harm to anyone else. In fact, my group worked hard to provide high-quality care. But the incentives are there for all to see, if they will look. The Laws of Rationing, Subsidy, and the Bureaucrat are laws of nature. Nothing will ever repeal them. Our only hope is to stop going down the roads to which they lead us.


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              http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...it_starts.html

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              • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                No matter how this issue plays itself out, people and their relations with medical care..

                - it's medical NOT healthcare, everyone that's not mentally retarded is capable of providing their own healthcare -

                ..will only be made more difficult and more expensive with government involvement. Even before crazy barry and his nutty fundamental transformation of America, government involvement with medical care was costing all of us more.... even though we were all made to believe how much better care was going to be with our wonderful government managing it and "looking out for us" with endless regulations.

                Expecting ANY government body to make medical care more affordable and better just seems like fantasy.

                Maybe I'll be proven incorrect ! I doubt it ! ... but it wouldn't be the first time, so ....
                This provides one answer to the question, "why can't conservatives reform health care?" ....Because they believe that, if the for-profit sector isn't the one providing health care, the only other option is government. Ironically, they believe the same thing as old-school socialists, and they are both wrong.

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                • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                  This provides one answer to the question, "why can't conservatives reform health care?" ....Because they believe that, if the for-profit sector isn't the one providing health care, the only other option is government. Ironically, they believe the same thing as old-school socialists, and they are both wrong.
                  I hope you're wrong, but evidence suggests you're right !

                  "Government" doesn't belong meddling - shouldn't be meddling with medicine. They have zero business or rights fiddling around in medicine.

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                  • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                    This provides one answer to the question, "why can't conservatives reform health care?" ....Because they believe that, if the for-profit sector isn't the one providing health care, the only other option is government. Ironically, they believe the same thing as old-school socialists, and they are both wrong.
                    I would be all for a non-profit health care system that everyone paid into and was managed by someone other than the Federal government. Unfortunately, those managing non-profits seem to think they deserve huge salaries and need huge staffs. They are also burdened by excessive government regulation.

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                    • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                      I would be all for a non-profit health care system that everyone paid into and was managed by someone other than the Federal government. Unfortunately, those managing non-profits seem to think they deserve huge salaries and need huge staffs. They are also burdened by excessive government regulation.
                      Mostly handled by a bean counter, a cap on executive salaries, and transparent financial reporting. One excessive regulation I see is restricting operation within state borders. There will be resistance to the non-profit interstate strategy from both gov't. and private (for profit) sectors, even if one sector can't handle the corruption while the other can't make the necessary profits. It is a matter of those two sectors giving up most of their claim in direct patient care, in order to get affordable care to the middle (not-wealthy and not-poor). Every sector can still play a role, but they need to realize their own limits.

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                      • Obamacare is wonderful, it's great, we love it, we want it ..

                        Or maybe not.

                        Orrin Hatch agrees with me. . . just one brave enough to tell the truth about obamas big, bad, smelly, terrible really nasty idea

                        ... the sooner we rid ourselves of it, and obama, the better off we'll all be

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                        Obamacare Supporters Are the Stupidest, Dumbass People Ive Ever Met

                        Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-UT) claimed during a speech on Thursday that Obamacare supporters are the stupidest, dumbass people Ive ever met.

                        Hatch said during a speech at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) on Thursday, [We] finally did away with the individual mandate tax that was established under that wonderful bill called Obamacare. Now, if you didnt catch on, I was being very sarcastic. That was the stupidest, dumbass bill that Ive ever seen.

                        Hatch continued, Some of you may have loved it. If you do, you are one of the stupidest, dumbass people Ive ever met. There are a lot of them up there on Capitol Hill from time to time.

                        The Senate Finance chairman also called Obamacare one of the most regressive taxes, particularly because lower-income Americans were paying most of the freight.

                        Sen. Hatch argued that the repeal of Obamacares individual mandate serves as a significant first step towards repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act.


                        [ UN-affordable care act that is. ]

                        http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm..._medium=social

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                        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                          Obamacare is wonderful, it's great, we love it, we want it ..

                          Or maybe not.

                          Orrin Hatch agrees with me. . . just one brave enough to tell the truth about obamas big, bad, smelly, terrible really nasty idea

                          ... the sooner we rid ourselves of it, and obama, the better off we'll all be

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                          Obamacare Supporters Are the Stupidest, Dumbass People Ive Ever Met

                          Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-UT) claimed during a speech on Thursday that Obamacare supporters are the stupidest, dumbass people Ive ever met.

                          Hatch said during a speech at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) on Thursday, [We] finally did away with the individual mandate tax that was established under that wonderful bill called Obamacare. Now, if you didnt catch on, I was being very sarcastic. That was the stupidest, dumbass bill that Ive ever seen.

                          Hatch continued, Some of you may have loved it. If you do, you are one of the stupidest, dumbass people Ive ever met. There are a lot of them up there on Capitol Hill from time to time.

                          The Senate Finance chairman also called Obamacare one of the most regressive taxes, particularly because lower-income Americans were paying most of the freight.

                          Sen. Hatch argued that the repeal of Obamacares individual mandate serves as a significant first step towards repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act.


                          [ UN-affordable care act that is. ]

                          http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm..._medium=social

                          .... and...

                          Six more reasons obamas "care" must be repealed

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                          1. Health insurance is more expensive than ever. Remember the promise that the average family would save $2,500 a year on health insurance? Forget about it. In May 2017 the Department of Health and Human Services reported that average health insurance premiums had doubled since 2013. How many families incomes doubled over that same period? In 2018, costs have risen by another 19 percent for high-cost plans and 32 percent for the cheapest plans, according to a study by the Urban Institute. Overall inflation for all other goods and services is running at around 2 percent.

                          2. Obamacare has not stopped the stampede of rising health care costs. Proponents repeatedly claimed that Obamacare would bend the cost curve down, yet national expenditures on health care continue to rise. The year before Obamacare was fully implemented, health care amounted to 17.2 percent of U.S. gross domestic product. Last year that tab grew to 18.3 percent an increase of almost $200 billion in health spending. The latest forecast for 2025 is that medical expenses will reach almost 20 percent of GDP.

                          3. Americans are paying more money for less health coverage. According to Kaiser, the average deductible for people with employer-provided health coverage last year was $1,221, compared with $303 in 2006. Usually, you pay higher deductibles for lower premiums. Under Obamacare, you pay more when you get your hospital bill.

                          4. Fewer insurance choices. According to federal and state data of insurer exchange options per county, more than 50 percent of our nations counties have only one insurer in 2018. Over 30 percent of counties are limited to two insurers. This means roughly 4 out of 5 counties will have either just one or two Obamacare exchange insurers to choose from.

                          5. Medicaid enrollment is exploding. The vast majority of Americans who have received insurance under the Obamacare law have enrolled in Medicaid. Medicaid enrollment has soared from 55 million to 74 million since 2013. Yet many physicians, health clinics and hospitals dont accept Medicaid. This means tens of millions of Americans often cant choose the doctor, hospital or treatment of their choice.

                          6. Nearly 30 million Americans are still uninsured. On April 1, 2014, standing in the rose garden at the White House, President Barack Obama claimed that the Affordable Care Act meant everybody would have health insurance. Today, some 30 million Americans remain uninsured. Why? Families cant afford the insurance.

                          Lets summarize what we have gotten for our money under Obamacare. We have spent hundreds of billions of dollars; we have massively increased the size of the federal budget; we have subsidized insurance plans to get Americans to sign up for Obamacare; we have penalized people if they dont buy Obamacare; and we still have almost 1 in 11 Americans without insurance. Has there ever been a bigger public-policy flop?

                          I recently debated a high-ranking Obama White House economist and asked him: What was the greatest accomplishment of President Obama in eight years in office? He replied: the Affordable Care Act. Really? If this is Obamas grand success, imagine how bad the failures were.


                          http://www.wnd.com/2018/06/6-reasons...ate-obamacare/

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