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  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

    Originally posted by jpn View Post
    Low information voters?

    Every study I've seen shows concludes that Fox "News" watchers are the least informed viewers out there.

    Some News Leaves People Knowing Less

    Here's a review of seven studies that have found this is true:
    The Science of Fox News: Why Its Viewers are the Most Misinformed | Alternet

    I guess tea party members must not watch Fox News since, according to the New York Times theyre wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and according to a Yale University study, they have above average science comprehension.

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    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

      Originally posted by jpn View Post
      No it wasn't. The Republicans "offered" to not destroy the global economy in return for delay of the individual mandate, one of the three essential legs of the ACA.

      Jeeze.
      And yet... when ten Democratic Senators demand the very same thing... you don't seem to care.

      Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.)Sens. Mark Begich (D-Alaska), Mark Pryor (D-Ark.), Mary Landrieu (D-La.), Kay Hagan (D-N.C.), Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Mark Udall (D-Colo.), Tom Udall (D-N.M.), Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), and Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.) signed the letter.

      One* wonders why you are not suitably outraged...


      Ten Dem senators urge HHS to extend enrollment deadline - The Hill's Healthwatch





      *Actually... no one wonders why... we all know. jpn, if you aren't getting paid to post this drivel, then it is all a waste.

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      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

        Originally posted by jpn View Post
        No it wasn't. The Republicans "offered" to not destroy the global economy in return for delay of the individual mandate, one of the three essential legs of the ACA.

        Jeeze.
        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        You are the perfect liberal example. "destroy the global economy" How emotionally dramatic and false.
        That'd be a big 10-4.

        WashPost Poll: 78% Didn

        So tell me, how does one "destroy the global economy" when 78% didn't even miss the government during the shutdown.

        I think this is also telling of how many people in the government don't really need to be there. If you don't miss them, what exactly are they doing in the government? What exactly are they doing for the electorate?

        Just asking.

        Originally posted by jpn View Post
        No it wasn't. The Republicans "offered" to not destroy the global economy in return for delay of the individual mandate, one of the three essential legs of the ACA.

        Jeeze.
        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        You believe a poll from a bunch of left wing college students. That says a lot about you.

        "Fox News Viewers are Most Uninformed" study gets facts wrong (World Public Opinion, Clay Ramsay, Steven Kull, Evan Lewis)



        http://24ahead.com/fox-news-viewers-...ts-facts-wrong

        'Study' Claiming Fox News Viewers 'Misinformed' Is Fraught With Errors

        But the hilarious part is that the authors of the study themselves are misinformed.

        Read more: 'Study' Claiming Fox News Viewers 'Misinformed' Is Fraught With Errors | NewsBusters
        Who's a thunk? Liberals with an agenda conduct a study and invent their own facts.

        I guess we just caused yet another JPN absence, or at least lack of response to valid points raised.

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        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

          Obamacare was to offer affordable health insurance to millions of people that didn't have health insurance before.

          Seems that it's working backwards.

          Florida Blue sent out 300,000 cancellation notices, or 80 percent of the entire states individual coverage policies, Kaiser Health News reports. Californias Kaiser Permanente canceled 160,000 plans half of its insurance plans in the state while Blue Shield of California sent 119,000 notices in mid-September alone.

          Two major insurance carriers in Pennsylvania, Insurance Highmark in Pittsburgh and Independence Blue Cross in Philadelphia plan to cancel 20 percent and 45 percent of their total plans, respectively.

          Nearly 800,000 New Jersey residents health-care plans will not longer exist in 2014, forcing insurers to create new ones for individuals and small business owners that hew to the Obamacares new regulations, The New Jersey Star Ledger found in early October.
          Health insurance cancellation notices soar above Obamacare enrollment rates | The Daily Caller

          Florida Blue cites Affordable Care Act - Jacksonville Business Journal

          Replacement healthcare plans are often much more expensive, or much less coverage than the cancelled plans.

          This definitely files in the face of the promise 'you can keep your healthcare plan' as well as 'it'll bend down the cost curve', as well as 'your premiums will be reduced'.

          So why exactly are we doing this? All the major selling points aren't coming true, and we are finding ourselves in a worse state with this law being implemented.

          Is this the best that government can manage? I'm thinking yes, it's the best that government can manage, which cuts down the reasoning that a government run healthcare system is better than the private sector.

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          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

            Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
            I guess tea party members must not watch Fox News since, according to the New York Times theyre wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and according to a Yale University study, they have above average science comprehension.
            My first thought after reading this was, the tea people are wealthier and more educated than the general public, average people. I think the founders are, but not so sure about many of the people to attend those rallies. I'd like an unbiased reporter(if they even exist anymore) to meander his way through one of those tea party crowds and ask the questions as the comedic late night talk shows do when they show us just how dumb much of the public is.

            One could say that if the tea people are wealthier, and more educated, that would put them in a subclass of the upper class. But of course not in the upper 1 per cent, as those airy heights are only for a scant few. Perhaps the tea people are mostly upper middle class with the others upper middle class or upper class wannabees. I see lots of folks who look to be retired in those videos of the tea party rallies on the tv set. Looks like many of them are social security age. I bet they draw that SS money each month, and they don't need it, but the greed just won't let them do otherwise. BTW, I don't draw my own because I don't need it. I am glad it's there if something were to happen and I lose my assets in my old age, so I see it as a safety net. I bet these wealthy retired tea people don't. Greed is like a black hole. Nothing can escape it. The greedy have black holes for hearts. The Tea Party should be called The Greed Party. Greed is driving it. That and a peculiar flavor of conservatism that is scrubbed squeaky clean of libertarism. Scrubbed clean and with a love for the US showing the world just how big and bad and lethal our superior military is. They want the world's police force to be us, but they don't want to pay for it if it involves higher taxes. But mostly today it seems to be a group of folks who hate Pres. Obama, and who believe in non facts concerning him. Yeah, send an objective reporter into one of those tea people rallies and I bet you won't find the well educated as much as you find people who believe Obama is a Muslim, born in Kenya, and is trying to destroy America. That isn't well educated, that's being a genuine dimwit.

            Of course, I could be wrong.

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            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
              Obamacare was to offer affordable health insurance to millions of people that didn't have health insurance before.

              Seems that it's working backwards.


              Health insurance cancellation notices soar above Obamacare enrollment rates | The Daily Caller

              Florida Blue cites Affordable Care Act - Jacksonville Business Journal

              Replacement healthcare plans are often much more expensive, or much less coverage than the cancelled plans.

              This definitely files in the face of the promise 'you can keep your healthcare plan' as well as 'it'll bend down the cost curve', as well as 'your premiums will be reduced'.

              So why exactly are we doing this? All the major selling points aren't coming true, and we are finding ourselves in a worse state with this law being implemented.

              Is this the best that government can manage? I'm thinking yes, it's the best that government can manage, which cuts down the reasoning that a government run healthcare system is better than the private sector.
              No, it is working as planned. Those who have been paying will have to pay more to cover those who don't pay anything.

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              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                HHS Secretary o Obamacare:

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                • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                  An evil Democrat terrorist, extortionist, nazi, etc.

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                  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                    Remember when Representative Wilson said "You Lie?" He was right.

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                    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                      And this guy is no Conservative

                      Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward said a “rat’s nest of concealment and lies” is at the heart of many Obama administration scandals and miscues, including the disastrous Obamacare website rollout.

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                      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                        Stupid government 'one size fits all' coverage bits another unfortunate person.
                        (disclaimer: I personally not this guy. He's nobody's fool, smart and shrewd, with business savvy. If he can't figure out how to get his costs in line, doesn't leave all that much hope for most others).

                        Dear Fill in the blank ,

                        "If you're one of the more than 250 million Americans who already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance," Obama said. "This law will only make it more secure and more affordable." Barack Obama on June 28th, 2012 in a speech at the White House

                        Really?? Let me tell you the reality. My wife and I are both 62 years old, self-employed, and buy an individual Blue Cross insurance plan, that we have had since before President Obama came into office. We like the policy, the coverage, the rates were fair, and we paid our premiums on time every month.

                        Last month, we got a letter from our carrier, saying our coverage did not meet the Affordable Healthcare Act parameters, so we are cancelled, effective December 31.

                        Examining our new plans that are offered, we found that we must include maternity coverage (nice to have, but we were willing to risk it) and pediatric dental care (but not adult dental care). Even though our daughter always wanted a baby sister, weve decided that we really are not planning on having more children (our daughter is 33).

                        The other changes we are getting include:
                        Paying 208% of what we currently pay for the policy we were told we could keep
                        Raising our deductible from $1,000, to $5,000
                        Raising our co-pay maximum from $2,500 to $7,000
                        Paying for emergency room procedures, even AFTER deductibles are met
                        Paying for all prescriptions, unless we can get a generic which will cost about what we pay now

                        What will this do to (not for) us, and more importantly to our country:
                        o More than double our costs (and move that to 3-4 times if we actually get sick)
                        o Think twice, or more, before seeking medical care
                        o The economy gets hurt (we were getting ready to buy a new car to replace our 12-year old car, but now those funds will go to healthcare)
                        o Incent people to pick the highest deductible possible to keep rates down
                        o Then, when illness hits, bankruptcy will follow because people will give up paying
                        o Poor people will get coverage with government subsidies (squeezing middle class again)
                        o Young people will risk it and pay penalties, rather than pay high costs to cover the poor
                        o The system will have to raise rates because the young, healthy people arent in the program

                        This is the first time Ive felt forced to pick whats not best for my family, because the government is telling me to. We have always believed that well do whats needed to survive. Weve survived economic turmoil, money mismanagement by an unscrupulous financial advisor, a frivolous lawsuit from a disgruntled employee who was fired for stealing, and weve pulled ourselves up and kept going. We were recovering, considering buying our first new car in ten years, and But, we dont think its fiscally responsible now, with the big increase in insurance costs. I mean, we shouldnt take on too much debt, should we?? Do you think? Oh wait a minute.

                        Im frustrated, Im sad, Im hurt and Im mad. Id like to hear why this is good for my family and good for my country. Please enlighten me on that. Id like a response.

                        Thank you.
                        McCrabby Rants...: Buy a new car? Or, healthcare? That's the question

                        It also highlights the economic damage that Obamacare is causing. The drop in demand due to monies needing to be spent on healthcare related costs rather then driving up demand that the economy so deliberately needs.

                        Yeah, if Obamacare is the gift that keeps giving, and it seems likely that it will, given the immutable stance Obama and the Senate Dems have taken on it so far, the Dems are lining themselves up for yet another 'shellacking'. Well, you guys did bring it on yourselves, now, didn't you?

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                        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                          The British NHS Computer fiasco and a good summary of the Oamacare situation:

                          Brit gov health care website: Nine years, $15 billion and counting- site scrapped

                          ObamaCare is a disaster. It is doing incredible damage to our nation – well beyond just the health insurance sector. Just about everything President Barack Obama and his fellow zealot ideologue cheerleaders promised it would deliver was an exact-opposite lie.


                          Brit gov health care website: Nine years, $15 billion and counting- site scrapped

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                          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                            The British NHS Computer fiasco and a good summary of the Oamacare situation:

                            Brit gov health care website: Nine years, $15 billion and counting- site scrapped

                            ObamaCare is a disaster. It is doing incredible damage to our nation well beyond just the health insurance sector. Just about everything President Barack Obama and his fellow zealot ideologue cheerleaders promised it would deliver was an exact-opposite lie.


                            Brit gov health care website: Nine years, $15 billion and counting- site scrapped
                            In another thread we were wondering why the UKs NHS was facing financial troubles. I think we may have stumbled onto why.
                            Officials later revised the total to 9.8bn ($15 billion), but the PAC said this latest estimate failed to include a price for terminating a contract with Fujitsu to provide care records systems and other future costs.

                            The project was launched in 2002, with the aim of revolutionising the way technology is used in the health service by paving the way for electronic records, digital scanning and integrated IT systems across hospitals and community care.

                            Hit by technical problems and contractual wrangling, it was effectively disbanded by the government two years ago.

                            Blowing $15B and having nothing to show for it. That could put a real squeeze on your budgeting. The solution? As is always the case with government: increase taxes to cover it. Nice, eh?

                            The parallels here are truly frightening. So this is what the intellectuals cooked up for us?

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                            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                              Stupid government 'one size fits all' coverage bits another unfortunate person.
                              (disclaimer: I personally not this guy. He's nobody's fool, smart and shrewd, with business savvy. If he can't figure out how to get his costs in line, doesn't leave all that much hope for most others).


                              McCrabby Rants...: Buy a new car? Or, healthcare? That's the question

                              It also highlights the economic damage that Obamacare is causing. The drop in demand due to monies needing to be spent on healthcare related costs rather then driving up demand that the economy so deliberately needs.

                              Yeah, if Obamacare is the gift that keeps giving, and it seems likely that it will, given the immutable stance Obama and the Senate Dems have taken on it so far, the Dems are lining themselves up for yet another 'shellacking'. Well, you guys did bring it on yourselves, now, didn't you?
                              The dems should have known that adopting a republican think tank plan would help out the insurance business and hurt the average guy.

                              My daughters insurance from work went up in price with less coverage. Now she has to buy dental and vision extra. It was included prior.

                              I was against ACA from the get-go, considering who concocted it. Right wingers. Even when they are out of power we still get their ideas instituted. Which means Obama is really a republican.

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                              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                                The dems should have known that adopting a republican think tank plan would help out the insurance business and hurt the average guy.

                                My daughters insurance from work went up in price with less coverage. Now she has to buy dental and vision extra. It was included prior.
                                It's one thing to contemplate a plan. It's quite another to take a plan forward and implement it.

                                Contemplating a plan, a thought experiment if you will, is quite benign. Taking a bad plan forward, not recognizing that it's a bad plan, and implementing it, well, that really takes first class incompetence, doesn't it?

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