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  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

    Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
    True. it's not fully implemented. Are you trying to tell me that it'll be just so much better when the employer mandate is required?

    I hardly think so. No, this POS needs to be repealed and killed permanently.
    I'm saying what I posted...I don't know.
    Medicare works quite well and that may very well be the future of health care.

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    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

      Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
      I'm saying what I posted...I don't know.
      Medicare works quite well and that may very well be the future of health care.
      If the solution is to dump everyone, lock, stock and barrel into Medicare, that'd be single payer. In order to do this it would have to come up for a congressional vote. I don't think that a vote of this will get far, and if it does, the population will make sure that there'll be hell to pay for it.

      We already know that medicare is burning through it's excess cash right now, and it's only going to get worse with the boomers retiring every faster. Dumping everyone into that program is only going to burn through that even faster. It'll be the end of medicare, and / or it'll directly attach to the general fund, draining that as well, like a vampire.

      No, after this mess, I don't see single payer coming anytime soon.

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      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
        If the solution is to dump everyone, lock, stock and barrel into Medicare, that'd be single payer. In order to do this it would have to come up for a congressional vote. I don't think that a vote of this will get far, and if it does, the population will make sure that there'll be hell to pay for it.

        We already know that medicare is burning through it's excess cash right now, and it's only going to get worse with the boomers retiring every faster. Dumping everyone into that program is only going to burn through that even faster. It'll be the end of medicare, and / or it'll directly attach to the general fund, draining that as well, like a vampire.

        No, after this mess, I don't see single payer coming anytime soon.
        I see the O administration using the bully pulpit to force any entity that doesn't enter into an Exchange to enter one.
        He seems to get as much media attention as he desires and he doesn't want to go down in history as losing any battle he's engaged in.

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        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

          Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
          I see the O administration using the bully pulpit to force any entity that doesn't enter into an Exchange to enter one.
          He seems to get as much media attention as he desires and he doesn't want to go down in history as losing any battle he's engaged in.
          Agreed. I'd add 'Regardless of how damaged the electorate becomes in the crossfire'.

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          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

            Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
            Agreed. I'd add 'Regardless of how damaged the electorate becomes in the crossfire'.
            Yeah, well, O doesn't seem to care too much about collateral damage where his ego is involved.

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            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

              Insurance Scam: Obamacare Benefits Left Out Of Letters - YouTube

              Oh look at that. That letter saying your plan is getting more expensive because of ObamaCare is a scam to get more money out of you. Facilitated by the confusion sown by the rightwing media.

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              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                I'm saying what I posted...I don't know.
                Medicare works quite well and that may very well be the future of health care.
                That depends on your point of view.

                Medicare is notorious for its low reimbursements and a lot of doctors just won't accept it.

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                • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                  Originally posted by Whipple View Post
                  That depends on your point of view.

                  Medicare is notorious for its low reimbursements and a lot of doctors just won't accept it.
                  Really?!
                  Most of the physicians I know personally in my very large Orthodox Jewish community make a fortune from Medicare patients.
                  I keep hearing about this, "doctors just won't accept it"; I'd like to meet one of these doctors.
                  Medicaid, I understand; Medicare...Yeah, right!

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                  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                    Originally posted by erikvv View Post
                    Insurance Scam: Obamacare Benefits Left Out Of Letters - YouTube

                    Oh look at that. That letter saying your plan is getting more expensive because of ObamaCare is a scam to get more money out of you. Facilitated by the confusion sown by the rightwing media.
                    So, are you saying nobody is paying more?

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                    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                      Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                      Really?!
                      Most of the physicians I know personally in my very large Orthodox Jewish community make a fortune from Medicare patients.
                      I keep hearing about this, "doctors just won't accept it"; I'd like to meet one of these doctors.
                      Medicaid, I understand; Medicare...Yeah, right!
                      I don't doubt for a second 100 individual doctors called you up today to tell you how much Medicare reimburses.



                      If there is one thing I know to be true it's that you'll always have a ridiculous anecdote about how much money your Jewish neighbors make.
                      Last edited by Whipple; 11-05-2013, 04:31 PM.

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                      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                        Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                        So the administrators at the University of California, San Diego are a bunch of lazy bums.

                        That's quite a leap of logic you've made. Administrators at University of California, San Diego may be well underway in accepting other Covered California programs, but it’s anyone’s guess how long it could take to get thru the government bureaucracy and come up with a plan that will be acceptable by both parties. Unfortunately, the chances of getting any government agency, let alone one as fucked up as this one, to act fast enough to save Ms. Sunby’s life are about as good as the chances that her stage 4 cancer will suddenly go into full remission. At this point, it seems Pres Obama has signed Edie’s death warrant by reneging on his promise “If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan. Period. If you like your doctor, you can keep you doctor. Period.” Apparently Pres Obama has decided it’s about time for Edie to just “take a pill, take a painkiller.”

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                        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                          Originally posted by Whipple View Post
                          I don't doubt for a second 100 individual doctors called you up today to tell you how much Medicare reimburses.



                          If there is one thing I know to be true it's that you'll always have a ridiculous anecdote about how much money your Jewish neighbors make.
                          And how many physicians so you know face to face?
                          With how many have you had a 30+ minute discussion?

                          You see, you can bull crap all you want with vague articles, but I actually KNOW physicians.

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                          Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
                          That's quite a leap of logic you've made. Administrators at University of California, San Diego may be well underway in accepting other Covered California programs, but it’s anyone’s guess how long it could take to get thru the government bureaucracy and come up with a plan that will be acceptable by both parties. Unfortunately, the chances of getting any government agency, let alone one as fucked up as this one, to act fast enough to save Ms. Sunby’s life are about as good as the chances that her stage 4 cancer will suddenly go into full remission. At this point, it seems Pres Obama has signed Edie’s death warrant by reneging on his promise “If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan. Period. If you like your doctor, you can keep you doctor. Period.” Apparently Pres Obama has decided it’s about time for Edie to just “take a pill, take a painkiller.”
                          One of the issues I want information on is how prepared by ACA knowledgeable CSRs were hospitals, clinics and physicians.
                          The entities may not be at fault because their preparation was naught or even erroneous.

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                          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                            Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                            And how many physicians so you know face to face?
                            With how many have you had a 30+ minute discussion?

                            You see, you can bull crap all you want with vague articles, but I actually KNOW physicians.
                            I sell chemistry analyzers, CBC machines, bone density analyzers, etc. for living.

                            So I basically know hundreds of doctors and spend all day talking to them.

                            I know Noah likes to slap people on the knuckles for calling someone a liar but you're the single most full of shit person I have ever seen on every single subject.

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                            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                              Originally posted by Whipple View Post
                              I sell chemistry analyzers, CBC machines, bone density analyzers, etc. for living.

                              So I basically know hundreds of doctors and spend all day talking to them.

                              I know Noah likes to slap people on the knuckles for calling someone a liar but you're the single most full of shit person I have ever seen on every single subject.
                              Hah! Every physician I know is a knee-jerk Republican and they hate O with a passion whilst their making a killing.
                              Ask how many of them are making less than last year and how many are going to retire early and THEN you'll find out the truth.
                              These doctors who are complaining are FOS because they believe that after all those years of training they should everything on a silver platter.

                              In fact, why not do this...keep a tally in the coming year of how many of them give up medicine.
                              I think it will make for a fascinating study in how full of crap their complaints are.

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                              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                                Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                                Hah! Every physician I know is a knee-jerk Republican and they hate O with a passion whilst their making a killing.
                                Ask how many of them are making less than last year and how many are going to retire early and THEN you'll find out the truth.
                                These doctors who are complaining are FOS because they believe that after all those years of training they should everything on a silver platter.

                                In fact, why not do this...keep a tally in the coming year of how many of them give up medicine.
                                I think it will make for a fascinating study in how full of crap their complaints are.
                                Jealous...and full of shit. A bad combination.

                                Doctor takes more training, and MUCH more continuing education than any other profession. Nothing else is even remotely close.

                                They most certainly earn their munificent pay.

                                The only thing you seem capable of being being jealous of everyone who's capable of doing things you can't, or won't. That list is a very long one.

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