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  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

    Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
    I had an epiphany last night.
    The ACA interface (Web, CSR) will NOT be able to sign up everybody who's policies are being cancelled.
    The Insurance companies are going to be forced into offering ACA compliant plans.
    And every one of those Obamacare compliant plans are going to extort, under IRS threat, coverage that the people don't want and don't value at greater expense, stretching their family budgets to probably beyond the breaking point. Medical bankruptcy without the catastrophic illness part.

    All the money that might have been spent increasing demand in the economy will instead be spent on health care coverage people don't want, can't use, and don't value.

    I'd say that kind of a double whammy against improving the economy. Wouldn't you say?

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    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      And every one of those Obamacare compliant plans are going to extort, under IRS threat, coverage that the people don't want and don't value at greater expense, stretching their family budgets to probably beyond the breaking point. Medical bankruptcy without the catastrophic illness part.

      All the money that might have been spent increasing demand in the economy will instead be spent on health care coverage people don't want, can't use, and don't value.

      I'd say that kind of a double whammy against improving the economy. Wouldn't you say?
      The Insurance firms are going to make a fortune.
      But I still haven't seen any concrete premiums.

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      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

        Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
        I had an epiphany last night.
        The ACA interface (Web, CSR) will NOT be able to sign up everybody who's policies are being cancelled.
        The Insurance companies are going to be forced into offering ACA compliant plans.
        And are you for this?

        BTW Hows your new Marxist Mayor?

        America's first openly Marxist big city mayor

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        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

          Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
          And are you for this?

          BTW Hows your new Marxist Mayor?

          America's first openly Marxist big city mayor
          Boy, this reads like this guy is a real winner. America?s First Openly Marxist Big City Mayor

          Yeah, all that great progress over the last umm, 20 some years in NYC is all going to be unwound, and will have to be redone after he's out of office.

          Elections have consequences. Hope you enjoy them.

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          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

            Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
            And are you for this?

            BTW Hows your new Marxist Mayor?

            America's first openly Marxist big city mayor
            Forceful takeover of an industry is a dangerous precedent.
            Force taxation to provide emergency medical care to any citizen of earth is a dangerous precedent.
            Health Care used to be a perk.
            The ACA is a band-aid.

            How's Taxachusettes?

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            Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
            Boy, this reads like this guy is a real winner. America?s First Openly Marxist Big City Mayor

            Yeah, all that great progress over the last umm, 20 some years in NYC is all going to be unwound, and will have to be redone after he's out of office.

            Elections have consequences. Hope you enjoy them.
            Guaranteeing another 20 years of Republican control.

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            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

              Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
              Forceful takeover of an industry is a dangerous precedent.
              Force taxation to provide emergency medical care to any citizen of earth is a dangerous precedent.
              Health Care used to be a perk.
              The ACA is a band-aid.

              How's Taxachusettes?

              (̅_̅_̅(̅(̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅̅()ڪ



              Guaranteeing another 20 years of Republican control.
              Why be forced into redoing all that's already been done? Why pay for the same ground twice (or more times)?

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              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                Because we are, for the most part, a nation of amnesiacs. (My favorite line from Thirtysomething)

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                • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                  New York has been well run for 20 years. It used to be one of America’s most dangerous big cities; now it is one of the safest. Crime has fallen conspicuously fast in the Big Apple, thanks to police reforms begun by Rudy Giuliani (the mayor from 1994 to 2001) and continued by Mike Bloomberg, his successor. Mr Bloomberg, who must retire after three terms, is not especially charismatic (see article). His motto—“In God we trust; everyone else, bring data”—is not one to set the crowds chanting. But it makes for sensible government. Under him New York has weathered the financial crisis, cleaned its streets and become a magnet for talent and tourists.
                  . . . .
                  New York needs its plutocrats. The top 1% of its taxpayers fork out a whopping 43% of the income taxes; if they leave, public services will suffer. Mr de Blasio’s supporters scoff at the idea that wealthy Manhattanites will quit the dazzling metropolis for dull Connecticut. They note that his proposed tax increase is modest (from 3.9% to 4.4% on incomes above $500,000) and must be approved by lawmakers. True, but the top marginal rate (including federal, state and city taxes) is already a stiff 55% or so. And taxes are not the only issue.

                  Quality of life also matters, and New York cannot take its safe streets for granted. Mr Bloomberg took a robust approach to crime. Being stopped and frisked may be irksome, he argues, but it teaches young men not to carry guns, and that saves a lot of (mostly black and Hispanic) lives. By putting more emphasis on avoiding the appearance of racism than on preventing crime, Mr de Blasio could make life worse for everyone.
                  . . . .
                  If Mr de Blasio wants to promote social mobility, he should extend Mr Bloomberg’s school reforms, such as letting parents move their children out of the worst city-funded schools and into (publicly funded, independently run) charter schools. Sadly, like his chums in the teachers’ unions, he wants to block school choice. If he cares about affordable homes, he should let developers build more of them. Yet he favours rent controls that reduce the supply of housing. If he wants to keep the books balanced, he should keep a lid on spending. But his union backers want retroactive pay hikes.

                  Leftwingers who sound alarming on the stump can prove pragmatic in office: “Red” Ken Livingstone ran London, the world’s other great financial centre, pretty well when he became mayor. Mr Bloomberg says New York is “very difficult to screw…up”. Mr de Blasio, alas, may test that proposition.
                  New York’s mayor-elect Don’t screw it up

                  New York: Where will you go, Bill de Blasio? - The Big Apple has been well run for 20 years. The mayor-elect promises change | The Economist
                  (You can see it right here! Typical liberal / progressive - something's working well, let's make changes to screw it up!)

                  Well, I guess we'll see if de Blasio screws the pooch or not. I'm thinking his liberal / progressive supporters are going to force him to screw the pooch.
                  Last edited by eohrnberger; 11-07-2013, 11:08 AM.

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                  • The Coming Obamacare Bailout

                    Next on the horizon is an Obamacare “death spiral” for the private health insurance industry. Taxpayers will now be told a new bailout of hundreds of billions for the private health insurers must be passed, or else private health insurance will go out of business under Obamacare. That would leave the government in complete control of American health care, especially as he who pays the piper calls the tune.

                    It is called “single payer” by advocates of government-run health care. In plain English, “single payer” means “government monopoly” over health care, more commonly known as “socialized medicine.” That means the government decides who gets what health care, or ultimately, who lives and who dies. For those who think the government is God, such health care socialism is long overdue.

                    Meaning — spiraling decline in the quality of American health care, the end of investment in new, breakthrough medicine, Sarah Palin’s death panels.

                    The Obamacare Death Spiral Begins

                    President Obama sold the idea of Obamacare to its most credulous supporters on the promise that it would mean universal health insurance, with no uninsured. That is what appealed about it to the Left, and to the simple-minded true believers in Obama. But even the Washington establishment Congressional Budget Office scored Obamacare as still leaving 30 million uninsured 10 years after implementation!

                    But the reality is even worse than that. Because the effect of Obamacare so far has been to increase the number of uninsured, rather than reduce it. Consider recent news reports from around the country:

                    • Florida Blue terminates 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state.
                    • Kaiser Permanente in California terminates 160,000 policies, about half of its individual policies in the state.
                    • Independence Blue Cross in Philadelphia cancels 45% of its individual policies.
                    • CareFirst Blue Cross Blue Shield drops 76,000 individual policies in Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, D.C., over 40 percent of its individual policies in those states.
                    • Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh sends out termination notices for about 20% of its individual policies.

                    The Weekly Standard summarized the impact last month as likely to total 16 million terminated individual policies, out of a total individual market of 19 million policies. So more than 80% of the health insurance policies individuals buy directly by themselves would be terminated as a result of Obamacare.

                    But the great majority of health insurance pre-Obamacare came through employer-provided health coverage. The Obamacare wrecking ball, however, is terminating health insurance there too. CBO scored Obamacare as causing as many as 20 million workers to lose their employer-provided health insurance. Former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin estimated double that, or 40 million, in a study for the American Action Forum.

                    But even that does not match what Obama knew would happen back in 2010 when Obamacare was passed. Section 1251 of the Obamacare legislation includes the “grandfather” provision that is supposed to allow people to keep their current health plan if they like it. But on June 17, 2010, Obama’s own Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) published a notice in the Federal Register saying, “The Department’s mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013.” That adds up to 51 percent of employer-provided health insurance plans that would become illegal and terminated under Obamacare. Counting both the employer provided and individual health insurance markets, Avik Roy of Forbes calculates that means that altogether 93 million Americans will lose their health insurance under Obamacare.

                    President Obama promised over and over that if you like your health insurance you can keep it, in selling his Obamacare snake oil. The ringing declaration was, “If you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan. Period. Nobody will be able to take that away from you.” But now Obama derides the millions and millions of terminated policies as substandard in not meeting the Obamacare regulatory requirements. In other words, his much repeated promise to the American people is now revised to proclaim: If Obama likes your health plan you can keep it. What a sad egomaniac for suckers not only to elect but reelect as President.

                    Moreover, now we know that Obama knew that this pledge to the American people, which he has continued to repeat over and over since 2010, was false from the beginning.
                    The American Spectator : The Coming Obamacare Bailout

                    Well so much for Affordable Health care that was promised by the lair in chief and his horde of thieving Democrats / liberals / progressives. You get to keep your plan? Not hardly, as outlined above.

                    I guess since it's too expensive to pay the premiums, we'll have to pay the penalties, and then just die when we get sick. Wasn't that an accusation of the left against those who opposed Obamacare? How ironic, that. Looks like this accusation is going to come true under Obamacare.

                    Single payer = socialized medicine = a government run monopoly (since when have monopolies served their customers well? Isn't this something that we all have already agreed on)

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                    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                      I am telling you guys, the economy is going to tank on this ACA thing unless everything being said is totally false; and we all know it is not.Imagine someone who does not have a huge amount of disposable income considering going to buy a new car, a new home, anything that has to be financed for at least a couple of years, and he/she/the family is hearing that their healthcare premiums may rise by 20, 30, 40, 50, or possibly 60%. What do you think they are going to do? Certainly, they will wait to see the outcome before going out and making that purchase, don't you think!

                      I just can't believe Obama thinks this is wonderful, and if the progressives get 1 more seat in government after this debacle, we are done. Americans should be so pissed they can't see straight.

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                      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                        Originally posted by Imawhosure View Post
                        I am telling you guys, the economy is going to tank on this ACA thing unless everything being said is totally false; and we all know it is not.Imagine someone who does not have a huge amount of disposable income considering going to buy a new car, a new home, anything that has to be financed for at least a couple of years, and he/she/the family is hearing that their healthcare premiums may rise by 20, 30, 40, 50, or possibly 60%. What do you think they are going to do? Certainly, they will wait to see the outcome before going out and making that purchase, don't you think!

                        I just can't believe Obama thinks this is wonderful, and if the progressives get 1 more seat in government after this debacle, we are done. Americans should be so pissed they can't see straight.
                        I think I'm there.

                        It just keeps getting better:
                        the "Cadillac tax" is one of the tools in the Affordable Care Act designed to bring down costs -- by encouraging people to cut down on unnecessary health care expenses.
                        How Obamacare will change employer-provided insurance - CBS News

                        When I hear of Obamacare mandates coverage to include maternity, pre and post natal coverage for men and post-menopausal women, I think of "unnecessary health care expenses".

                        In 2009, Mr. Obama explained to NPR, "I'm on record as saying that taxing 'Cadillac' plans that don't make people healthier, but just take more money out of their pockets because they're paying more for insurance than they need to, that's actually a good idea and that helps bend the cost curve. That helps to reduce the cost of health care over the long term. I think that's a smart thing to do."
                        How Obamacare will change employer-provided insurance - CBS News

                        So what if I decide to pay a bit more for a 'Cadillac' health care plan. How is that any of his business? How is that any of government's business? How does this 'Cadillac' tax do anything but force me reduce my coverage? If I pay for a 'Cadillac' plan, but not use that coverage, the insurance company keeps the rest of the premiums, how's that NOT bend down the cost curve?

                        This is just more of his lying bull shit.

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                        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                          Originally posted by Imawhosure View Post
                          I am telling you guys, the economy is going to tank on this ACA thing unless everything being said is totally false; and we all know it is not.Imagine someone who does not have a huge amount of disposable income considering going to buy a new car, a new home, anything that has to be financed for at least a couple of years, and he/she/the family is hearing that their healthcare premiums may rise by 20, 30, 40, 50, or possibly 60%. What do you think they are going to do? Certainly, they will wait to see the outcome before going out and making that purchase, don't you think!

                          I just can't believe Obama thinks this is wonderful, and if the progressives get 1 more seat in government after this debacle, we are done. Americans should be so pissed they can't see straight.
                          Since the Employer mandate is going in next year....I'm going to Disneyworld early next year. God knows how much more we're going to be paying for Owebamacare after the rest of that stupidity kicks in. Hell if I'd had that stupidity active a month ago, instead of being out a few hundred for my hospital stay last month, I'd be out 10 grand...or more.

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                          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                            Typical government performance. The solution to unaffordable health care for some is unaffordable health care for all.
                            What's worse, the idiots in Washington DC think this is an improvement.

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                            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                              Rocky Start For North Carolina Health Care Exchanges
                              CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (CBS Charlotte) - North Carolina’s largest insurer is having its share of problems with the Obamacare website.

                              Internal emails obtained by WNCN-TV show that Blue Cross Blue Shield show that only 1,000 people had filled out applications as of October 15th.

                              In fact, only one person was able to successfully use Healthcare.gov to enroll in the new exchange.

                              But even that single person has not paid, which means the enrollment is not complete.
                              Rocky Start For North Carolina Health Care Exchanges « CBS Charlotte

                              Delaware Spends $4 Million on Obamacare Enrollment, Signs Up Four People

                              The state of Delaware spent $4 million in federal grant money on Obamacare enrollment and has only signed up four people in the last month– effectively costing taxpayers $1 million per enrollee.
                              http://capitolcityproject.com/delawa...p-four-people/

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                              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                                Rocky Start For North Carolina Health Care Exchanges


                                Rocky Start For North Carolina Health Care Exchanges « CBS Charlotte

                                Delaware Spends $4 Million on Obamacare Enrollment, Signs Up Four People



                                Delaware Spends $4 Million on Obamacare Enrollment, Signs Up Four People | Capitol City Project
                                At $1M a head, I'm thinking it'd be easier just to give them health care coverage.
                                Typical government performance and care with tax payer money is clearly evident.

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