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  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

    The architect of Obamacare, Jonathan Gruber, states that it's not possible to allow people the plans they had.
    Allowing the 2013 plans to continue to operate into 2014 — a proposal that has generated interest in Congress — is considered unlikely. Insurers wouldn’t be able to quickly restore plans that are already being shut down and it would undercut some central promises of Obama’s signature law.

    Jonathan Gruber, one of the authors of the Massachusetts health plan and an MIT economics professor, says such an idea is impractical. There is no “free lunch” in which people can just decide not to join the Obamacare plans, which were priced on the assumption that the insurers would get a certain number of customers.

    The White House is “just reacting to one broken promise by imposing a much larger and harmful one: our promise to insurers that if they priced fairly, we would deliver a broad pool of insured,” Gruber wrote in an email. “If you allow the healthy enrollees to stay out in their old policy, the insurers lose money and the program (Obamacare) falls apart.”

    It gets worse, Gruber said. If the Affordable Care Act scheme falls apart, Obama is breaking the promise to the 30 million uninsured who don’t get to participate in a balanced insurance pool.
    Viable fix for individual market may be nonstarter - POLITICO.com

    Given this, it seems all the more likely that the private insurance companies will in fact need a government bailout.
    The Coming Obamacare Bailout | Somewhat Reasonable

    I find it very interesting that the fundamental structure of Obamacare is diametrically opposed to the often repeated promise that Obama, the administration, and liberal / progressive / Democrats all made, lying to the American people. It was designed in from the very beginning, and there was never any intention of delivering on that promise.

    It was nothing more than a lie to delay any action. A delaying tactic.

    This then is a bold face lie. A stone cold, purposeful, with forethought lie.
    It's not a 'political' lie (whatever the hell that is), nor is it a campaign promise lie (whatever the heel that is).

    So here is Obama, now saying that he's 'considering' making good on his promise, when the architect of Obamacare says that it's not possible.
    Anyone else thinking that this is just yet another delaying tactic?
    Just another lie?
    Just more deceit by Obama?

    I sure do.

    Repeal is the only answer, and we know that Obama's going do to everything else before that.

    Considering how far Obama has demonstrated he'll go in the DC game of liar's poker, a game he seems especially adept at I might add, in instances of the government shutdown, do you really think that it'll be any less the case now?

    I can't imagine anyone supporting this man any longer. He's lied, deceived, held himself unaccountable, and all to the exorbitant cost of all of his electorate.

    No. This cannot stand. This aborting of all that's holy must be repealed.

    For how long have which voices called for the repeal of this legislation?
    Last edited by eohrnberger; 11-12-2013, 11:21 AM.

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    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
      Does Oxford think her incapable of doing so on her own?
      Was your life ever so hectic that you skipped an annual exam?
      Didn't get that gallon of milk for tomorrow mornings coffee?
      Let you gas tank indicator light up?
      Life throws curveballs.

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      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
        The architect of Obamacare, Jonathan Gruber, states that it's not possible to allow people the plans they had.

        Viable fix for individual market may be nonstarter - POLITICO.com

        Given this, it seems all the more likely that the private insurance companies will in fact need a government bailout.
        The Coming Obamacare Bailout | Somewhat Reasonable

        I find it very interesting that the fundamental structure of Obamacare is diametrically opposed to the often repeated promise that Obama, the administration, and liberal / progressive / Democrats all made, lying to the American people. It was designed in from the very beginning, and there was never any intention of delivering on that promise.

        It was nothing more than a lie to delay any action. A delaying tactic.

        This then is a bold face lie. A stone cold, purposeful, with forethought lie.
        It's not a 'political' lie (whatever the hell that is), nor is it a campaign promise lie (whatever the heel that is).

        So here is Obama, now saying that he's 'considering' making good on his promise, when the architect of Obamacare says that it's not possible.
        Anyone else thinking that this is just yet another delaying tactic?
        Just another lie?
        Just more deceit by Obama?

        I sure do.

        Repeal is the only answer, and we know that Obama's going do to everything else before that.

        Considering how far Obama has demonstrated he'll go in the DC game of liar's poker, a game he seems especially adept at I might add, in instances of the government shutdown, do you really think that it'll be any less the case now?

        I can't imagine anyone supporting this man any longer. He's lied, deceived, held himself unaccountable, and all to the exorbitant cost of all of his electorate.

        No. This cannot stand. This aborting of all that's holy must be repealed.

        For how long have which voices called for the repeal of this legislation?
        So suddenly we're supposed to have regard for the opinion of the architect of the "worst piece of shit that ever existed"?

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        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

          Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
          So suddenly we're supposed to have regard for the opinion of the architect of the "worst piece of shit that ever existed"?
          The architect of the "worst piece of shit that ever existed" just exposed, yet again, Obama as the liar that he is. Yes, I'd call that worth observing.

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          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

            0bama has delayed the employer mandate. He is talking about delaying the individual mandate. He is talking about subsidies to make 0bamacare more affordable.(Where does the money come from?) Is this all part of 0bamacare or is he playing dictator and doing this on his own? This disaster needs to be repealed.

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            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
              The architect of the "worst piece of shit that ever existed" just exposed, yet again, Obama as the liar that he is. Yes, I'd call that worth observing.
              And anyone doubting that it is in fact the "worst piece of shit that ever existed" take heed:

              "I think the president was grossly misleading to the American public. I know right away as a veterinarian, I have my own business, that my policies got cancelled even before the Affordable Care Act. I know that I would change policies on a regular basis, trying to find the best deal for myself and my employees. But a lot of Americans, a lot of Oregonians, have stayed with the same policy for a number of years and are shocked that their policy got cancelled,"
              Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-OR) told KGW-TV, Portland's NBC affiliate.

              Rats - sinking ship - Fun times in 2014...


              Dem Congressman: Obama "Was Grossly Misleading To The American Public" | RealClearPolitics

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              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                And anyone doubting that it is in fact the "worst piece of shit that ever existed" take heed:



                Rep. Kurt Schrader (D-OR) told KGW-TV, Portland's NBC affiliate.

                Rats - sinking ship - Fun times in 2014...


                Dem Congressman: Obama "Was Grossly Misleading To The American Public" | RealClearPolitics
                Ya think that the Dems will be forced to single digit number of seats in each of the houses of congress?

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                • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                  Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                  Ya think that the Dems will be forced to single digit number of seats in each of the houses of congress?
                  Not if the Republican leadership bails them out by postponing the pain of 0bamacare until after the 2014 elections.

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                    Here is the latest kicker. 0bama has hired "navigators" to guide you through the process of getting insurance. These navigators are coaching people to lie to lower their insurance costs. They are also funneling our personal information to Democratic "grass roots" organizations to help turn Texas "blue". So now we are dealing with fraud on top of increased healthcare costs, and lack of privacy?

                    Video: Obamacare navigators suggest enrollees use fraud, deceit - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com

                    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...rn-connection/

                    This is happening 25 miles from my house.

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                    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                      Originally posted by Texan View Post
                      Not if the Republican leadership bails them out by postponing the pain of 0bamacare until after the 2014 elections.
                      You don't think that given the present revelations of Obamacare is sufficient enough a scare as to be longer lasting than that?

                      Aww geez, I can't believe I just asked that question. Of course it isn't with our forgetful ADD electorate, programmed by the Biased Lame Stream Media spin machine.

                      Then again:
                      A similar 55 percent “also at least somewhat favor repealing the law, while 41 percent are opposed. This includes 43 percent who strongly favor repeal and 31 percent who strongly oppose it,” said the pollster.
                      Poll: 46% say Obama 'misled' them on keeping insurance

                      I can see where it would take some balls on the Republicans part to hold the line and let the pain continue unabated until the election. On the flip side, the longer that this goes on, the greater the damage to the country.

                      Wouldn't the responsible thing, the more statesmanship thing, to do is to minimize the damage as much as possible, knowing full well that if and when your party comes to power again from this fiasco that you'd have even more to repair when you did?

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                      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                        It's too late now for people to go back to their old policies and the Democrats know it. The ones up for reelection in November are just making a lot of noise as political cover. Those old plans are gone, the one's that were actually insurance and not just delayed payment plans. A good share of today's plans are simply savings accounts where you put in some money each month and it is given back as needed.

                        The Democrats will make a lot of noise how they are for keeping the President's promise and when the Insurance companies say those old plans are gone for good, the Democrats will blame the insurance companies. This whole scenario is going to play itself out again next summer when the employer based plans that don't fit the requirements of Obamacare get cancelled too.

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                        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                          It's too late now for people to go back to their old policies and the Democrats know it. The ones up for reelection in November are just making a lot of noise as political cover. Those old plans are gone, the one's that were actually insurance and not just delayed payment plans. A good share of today's plans are simply savings accounts where you put in some money each month and it is given back as needed.

                          The Democrats will make a lot of noise how they are for keeping the President's promise and when the Insurance companies say those old plans are gone for good, the Democrats will blame the insurance companies. This whole scenario is going to play itself out again next summer when the employer based plans that don't fit the requirements of Obamacare get cancelled too.
                          If that's the case, then this entire Clinton position of talking to Obama and convincing him to allow for the cancelled plans is all a ruse, yet another delay, yet another instance of liberal / progressive / Democratic deceit, allowing Obamacare to travel yet further down the road. (sarcasm) What a nice bunch of honest and honorable guys! (/sarcasm). At the same time, it's digging the hole ever deeper, and letting this shit pile up ever higher.

                          I've been digging around trying to determine if my employee plan would be one that will be cancelled, but I can't seem to find a clear list of requirements to qualify on HealthCare.gov. Anybody have a link?

                          'Cause if this is going to cost me more money over what my employer previously covered, my employer is just going to have to make up the difference with a raise. (I suspect similar from others currently covered by employer based plans, and it might be the inflation trigger that'll bring down the Fed & Economy & Federal government, etc.).
                          Last edited by eohrnberger; 11-12-2013, 01:59 PM.

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                          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                            Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                            Perhaps safest to stop believing anything he / they say?
                            I quit for good about 10 years ago, when I walked out of a meeting with the Secretary of Interior. Getting shaken down by a cabinet level post cured me of any optimism.

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                            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                              I'm really, truly enjoying this... maybe more than I should, but you know? I don't care...

                              It's being reported...

                              Democrats Break Ranks with the White House–

                              Congressional Democrats have reportedly given the president 72 hours, until Friday, to do something significant about the disastrous health care roll-out. Otherwise, they claim they are ready to join Congressional Republicans on an Obamacare fix.

                              Hee... Hope and Change Baby!

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                                BREAKING: Congressional Democrats Give WH 72 Hours to Fix Obamacare Disaster (Video)

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