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  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

    Add to that... this:



    Sums things up nicely...

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    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

      The site has been fixed. Just go here and click on Apply Now:

      PARODY **** Health Insurance Marketplace, Affordable Care Act | HealthCare.gov ****

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      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

        From cheerleader to victim:

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        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

          President Obama's attempt Thursday to make good on his promise to let people keep their health insurance policies was politically inevitable. With the public howling, Democrats defecting and Republicans planning a vote today to let insurers keep selling insurance that doesn't comply with the Affordable Care Act's tough new standards, he had to do something.
          But political necessity doesn't guarantee good policy, and the president's plan is less a solution than it is a punt.

          Obama announced that the administration would allow canceled plans to be renewed for at least a year, which will probably ease the complaints of more than 4 million people in the individual market who've received cancellation notices since the Obamacare online marketplaces opened on Oct. 1. But there will be a dangerous rebound effect.
          Obama prescribes ugly fix for Obamacare: Our view

          Karen Ignagni, president and CEO, America's Health Insurance Plans: "Changing the rules after health plans have already met the requirements of the law could destabilize the market and result in higher premiums for consumers. Premiums have already been set for next year based on an assumption of when consumers will be transitioning to the new marketplace. If due to these changes fewer younger and healthier people choose to purchase coverage in the exchange, premiums will increase in the marketplace and there will be fewer choices for consumers. Additional steps must be taken to stabilize the marketplace."
          'Scrap this law once and for all': Other views

          Consider the logistics involved here.

          The insurance companies have changed their policies to comply with Obamacare, and have cancelled the plans that are not compliant. They have changed their systems to comply with their new policies, Lord only knows how many data tables and such have to be updated to do this. They have spent company funds to make sure that these system changes have reached all the way down to the hospitals and doctor offices. They've done this to be compliant with Obamacare, and they have done this in the last 3 years. It's not at all that easy to do, and it certainly isn't as easy as a single presidential press conference. Maybe he doesn't realize that. I'd not be surprised if he wasn't.

          Now they are supposed to hit the magical 'undo' button? Doesn't this mean they have to re-spend all that money again? Clearly he's got no clue what this really means.

          The life and death of Obamacare is young people (who typically don't have, don't need, don't want any health insurance - or are covered under their parents coverage - due to Obamacare) to sign up, spend what little money they had on health coverage to fund and cover the sicker, older people who are going to be using health care coverage. Anyone else think that this is particularly bad policy?

          So now, the president deems that the best way to deal with the political heat is to allow cancelled plans 1 additional year of life, torpedoing his own legislation and policies.

          The insurance companies are saying that the math won't add up. There won't be enough net contributors into Obamacare system to cover the expense. Not only is this a typical government problem, it'll come with a typical government solution, which is the bail out of failing health care insurance companies, when their Obamacare plans wildly exceed their spending targets and wildly shortfall on their income targets.

          The Coming Obamacare Bailout | Somewhat Reasonable

          Yes, this president is just passing the political hot potato so that he can blame someone else. Seems that this is what he really excels at, and little beyond that.

          This proposed solution of his will not only shift the blame of cancelled policies from Obamacare to the insurance companies (who were just complying with Obamacare mandates), it'll also cause the insurance companies greater expenditures so that their continued financial viability is called into question. When they do fail, they'll come begging to the government to support them in the mess that the government made for them, and they'll, yet again, unjustly become the government whipping boys, and likely the beginning of the argument for a government run single payer Obamacare system, which the government has already proven unable to effectively and efficiently manage.

          I have another 'undo' button that I'd rather be pressing. Undo Obamacare.

          Just look at the crisis, uncertainty and destruction it's created already, and it's just starting. This is with only 5% of the people being impacted. 85% of the people get their health care coverage through their employer. When the employer mandate kicks in, we are looking at 17 times (5% * 17 = 85%) the size of this problem with 17 times the number of people impacted.

          Do you / we really want to go through all that?

          And for what? To provide health insurance to a small fraction of the population that doesn't have coverage, but is being cared for through the emergency rooms? Really?

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          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

            Obama is now saying he isn't changing the law, he is just using his discretion not to enforce all of the law. This means that, under the law, the old policies are still illegal and cannot be offered by the insurance carriers. Obama says they can and he will not prosecute them for offering illegal plans. What happens if someone makes a claim under one of the old policies for something that is not covered by that plan and then goes to court and says this old plan is illegal so they have to pay?

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            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              Obama is now saying he isn't changing the law, he is just using his discretion not to enforce all of the law. This means that, under the law, the old policies are still illegal and cannot be offered by the insurance carriers. Obama says they can and he will not prosecute them for offering illegal plans. What happens if someone makes a claim under one of the old policies for something that is not covered by that plan and then goes to court and says this old plan is illegal so they have to pay?
              The same thing that's been happening all along with this sorry assed POS: the American citizen gets screwed.

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              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                So who exactly is it that want's to make sure you have healthcare coverage?

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                It's not like the Democrats, nor the President, nor the administration didn't 'know' about this, no matter what sort of fancy spin, tortured rationalizations, and outright lies are being told to the more than receptive and complicit if you ask me, media.
                On September 29, 2010, Senate Democrats voted unanimously against a resolution that would have allowed Americans to keep their insurance plans. Every Democrat voted against it.
                S.J.RES.39 (Bill Summary & Status - 111th Congress (2009 - 2010) - S.J.RES.39 - THOMAS (Library of Congress))
                Latest Title: A joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of the rule relating to status as a grandfathered health plan under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
                Sponsor: Sen Enzi, Michael B. [WY] (introduced 9/21/2010) Cosponsors (None)
                Latest Major Action: 9/29/2010 Senate floor actions. Status: Motion to proceed to consideration of measure rejected in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 40 - 59. Record Vote Number: 244.

                Yeah. Thought so.
                Last edited by eohrnberger; 11-15-2013, 12:55 PM.

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                • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                  Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                  Yup... I've known since... oh... 2009 March maybe?

                  The question is: how is it that the left will ever have a leg to stand on with a Republican in the White House, doing the very same things?

                  "Administratively" we are going to raise the age for Medicare to 67

                  "Administratively" we are going to raise the income level for Medicaid to 150% of the US poverty line

                  "Administratively" we are going to stop paying for Obamaphones

                  "Administratively" we are going to stop all funding of alternate energy programs

                  "Administratively" we are going to end ethanol subsidies.

                  The list is endless...
                  Problem: You've gotta get one into office. How you gonna do that? You still don't have the numbers to win.

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                  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                    Originally posted by reality View Post
                    Problem: You've gotta get one into office. How you gonna do that? You still don't have the numbers to win.
                    Conservatives have the numbers, they just don't go to the polls to vote for a Democrat lite.

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                    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      Conservatives have the numbers, they just don't go to the polls to vote for a Democrat lite.
                      So what you're saying is you don't have the numbers, the numbers referring to people who get off their asses and vote. Just like libertarians don't have the numbers. Its ok. There's no shame in it. This is a safe place.

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                      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                        Originally posted by reality View Post
                        So what you're saying is you don't have the numbers, the numbers referring to people who get off their asses and vote. Just like libertarians don't have the numbers. Its ok. There's no shame in it. This is a safe place.
                        Run a Conservative candidate and see how many turn out.

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                        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                          I don't want to start a new thread and this is about healthcare, gov't healthcare, aka, Medicaid. My daughter works as an RN on the cardiac unit. She was pulled this week to fill in in the ER at the same hospital, a chain. She told me today that if they got in a patient with like an infection, if they have Medicaid the drugs they are prescribed is the most expensive antibiotic. If the person has private insurance or is paying with cash they prescribe an antibiotic that you can get at walmart for 4 bucks! So, if it's paid by taxpayers, its over a hundred bucks for the needed med, if not, its 4 bucks!

                          So who is giving who the shaft here? This means that the cost of Medicaid is exponentially far more than it could be, but the private sector is maxing out the profits of the Big Pharm. There is a collusion here, along the same lines as my local gas jobbers getting together each week to insure that one gas seller doesn't undercut the other, and they don't compete. And we are supposed to trust the private sector? That is what the conservatives say, as if these guys are not snakes, sucking off the gov't teat. All I hear from the cons is how the poor folks are frauding the gov't when their is more fraud going on with these hospitals who are working for Big Pharm. I wouldn't doubt the hospitals getting a kickback from the drug makers. No different than the kickbacks I got from particular wholesalers back in the 70s when it was illegal to do it for tobacco, but quite ok for candy. So, we would get a kickback from RJ Reynolds, with the wholesaler breaking the law and listing it as coming from Hershey, or Mars.


                          But that ain't all. She said one teen on Medicaid came in for an ear infection, and the ER did a test for the flu, and a chest xray, when all that was wrong was a slight ear infection. Billed to you and I, the taxpayer. The reason the medical care is so high is the fraud being committed with regularity every second of each day in this nation. By that sacred cow, business. But all I hear about with this fraud is that the poor are the ones doing most of the cheating. It obviously pales in comparison to what business is doing to the tax payer.
                          Last edited by Blue Doggy; 11-15-2013, 02:45 PM.

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                          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                            I don't want to start a new thread and this is about healthcare, gov't healthcare, aka, Medicaid. My daughter works as an RN on the cardiac unit. She was pulled this week to fill in in the ER at the same hospital, a chain. She told me today that if they got in a patient with like an infection, if they have Medicaid the drugs they are prescribed is the most expensive antibiotic. If the person has private insurance or is paying with cash they prescribe an antibiotic that you can get at walmart for 4 bucks! So, if it's paid by taxpayers, its over a hundred bucks for the needed med, if not, its 4 bucks!

                            So who is giving who the shaft here? This means that the cost of Medicaid is exponentially far more than it could be, but the private sector is maxing out the profits of the Big Pharm. There is a collusion here, along the same lines as my local gas jobbers getting together each week to insure that one gas seller doesn't undercut the other, and they don't compete. And we are supposed to trust the private sector? That is what the conservatives say, as if these guys are not snakes, sucking off the gov't teat. All I hear from the cons is how the poor folks are frauding the gov't when their is more fraud going on with these hospitals who are working for Big Pharm. I wouldn't doubt the hospitals getting a kickback from the drug makers. No different than the kickbacks I got from particular wholesalers back in the 70s when it was illegal to do it for tobacco, but quite ok for candy. So, we would get a kickback from RJ Reynolds, with the wholesaler breaking the law and listing it as coming from Hershey, or Mars.


                            But that ain't all. She said one teen on Medicaid came in for an ear infection, and the ER did a test for the flu, and a chest xray, when all that was wrong was a slight ear infection. Billed to you and I, the taxpayer. The reason the medical care is so high is the fraud being committed with regularity every second of each day in this nation. By that sacred cow, business. But all I hear about with this fraud is that the poor are the ones doing most of the cheating. It obviously pales in comparison to what business is doing to the tax payer.
                            Man, you are never, ever, and let me say again EVER, going to learn! Do you realize you are in the top 5%? Bet you didn't, and you may even be in the top 1%. And here you are whining, moaning and groaning. No offense, but WTF is the matter with you?

                            If you want to give your hard earned money away, nobody here is going to tell you not to. Go ahead, and we will cheer you on.

                            Just because you have an affinity to wanting to help people along, let me say most of us do too. We just do not demand that you do it, and we don't want you demanding that we do it either.

                            Just like it is YOUR money to do with as you wish, it is also OUR money to do with as we wish; are you ever going to get the concept? If you want to make a charitable organization, then I will be the 1st to applaud you..........I might even contribute if I see social value in it.

                            What I do not get is you DICTATING what is good, and what is not. No offense, BUT WHO ARE YOU, or Obysmal, or Hilly, or Harry Reid to tell any of us what is worth while, and what is not?

                            Did you not ever hear it is not smart to put your eggs in one basket? Tell all of us WHY you think that a few people, in charge of the federal government, are SMARTER than all the rest of us put together.

                            The solution is not in Washington as the whole bunch of them have a Napoleanic complex. The faster you learn this undeniable truth of reality, the faster we can all get together and fix this disaster.

                            This country belongs to YOU, and Washington is our servants, not vice-versa. We elect them, and we can throw the bums out too. Until you understand that we need to make states laboratories on what works, and what does not, all you are doing is demanding untried ideas, then foisting them upon these United States. Make them work locally, and you have an argument. Let people like Obysmal put them in at will, and when they fail, everyone who supported such stupidity loses credibility.

                            So show us! You are Avante Guard are you not! Blow the rest of us away with your great ideas, and then we will follow your lead. Lets see if your ideas work in a state, then call us back; and if you need more cash, tell everyone who believes in this idea in that state to reach......into....their.....own....pockets!

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                            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                              Originally posted by Imawhosure View Post
                              Man, you are never, ever, and let me say again EVER, going to learn! Do you realize you are in the top 5%? Bet you didn't, and you may even be in the top 1%. And here you are whining, moaning and groaning. No offense, but WTF is the matter with you?

                              If you want to give your hard earned money away, nobody here is going to tell you not to. Go ahead, and we will cheer you on.

                              Just because you have an affinity to wanting to help people along, let me say most of us do too. We just do not demand that you do it, and we don't want you demanding that we do it either.

                              Just like it is YOUR money to do with as you wish, it is also OUR money to do with as we wish; are you ever going to get the concept? If you want to make a charitable organization, then I will be the 1st to applaud you..........I might even contribute if I see social value in it.

                              What I do not get is you DICTATING what is good, and what is not. No offense, BUT WHO ARE YOU, or Obysmal, or Hilly, or Harry Reid to tell any of us what is worth while, and what is not?

                              Did you not ever hear it is not smart to put your eggs in one basket? Tell all of us WHY you think that a few people, in charge of the federal government, are SMARTER than all the rest of us put together.

                              The solution is not in Washington as the whole bunch of them have a Napoleanic complex. The faster you learn this undeniable truth of reality, the faster we can all get together and fix this disaster.

                              This country belongs to YOU, and Washington is our servants, not vice-versa. We elect them, and we can throw the bums out too. Until you understand that we need to make states laboratories on what works, and what does not, all you are doing is demanding untried ideas, then foisting them upon these United States. Make them work locally, and you have an argument. Let people like Obysmal put them in at will, and when they fail, everyone who supported such stupidity loses credibility.

                              So show us! You are Avante Guard are you not! Blow the rest of us away with your great ideas, and then we will follow your lead. Lets see if your ideas work in a state, then call us back; and if you need more cash, tell everyone who believes in this idea in that state to reach......into....their.....own....pockets!

                              LOL.

                              This country may belong to the citizens, but we don't have much say in what goes on do we? Why? D.C. today operates daily with bribery. And it ain't us little average folks doing the bribing.

                              If Jesse Ventura runs, I am donating to his campaign, and voting for him. If he doesn't, I am voting against every guy already in office. BTW, I voted against everyone in the last election. And I will do so until they shovel dirt over my grave.

                              My point was, it's not just the folks feeding on the bottom that are committing fraud. Oh no, the big money fraud is business, in this case hospitals, especially those chains we have now and Big Pharma. It's the medical system, and going by what I learned this week from an eye witness, these guys are no better than a common criminal. Except they get to go home at night instead of being behind bars. We really do just mostly lock up the poor, as the rich, well, money will buy you almost anything in this corruption system.

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                              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                                Run a Conservative candidate and see how many turn out.
                                Elucidate your definition of "conservative"

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