Announcement

Collapse

Forum Rules - You must read(Updated!)

DISCLAIMER

You agree to NOT use this site or its affiliated sites, services you may have access to as a result of being a member here (subscriber or otherwise), to post items (images, textual material, etc.) that are pornographic in nature, illegal in the United States and/or the country you reside in, support or encourage illegal activities (e.g., terrorism), advertise for your own personal profit, or send unsolicited messages (i.e. SPAM) to members or non-members.

AND

You agree that if any clause or component of this document is found to not be legally binding in a court of law of proper jurisdiction then the remainder of this document shall remain fully binding and in full force.

AND

You agree to NOT hold Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. (makers of the forum software), uspoliticsonline.com, sites affiliated with uspoliticsonline.com, its administrators, its moderators, others associated with its operation, and its owners liable for any and all of the following (in whole or in part):
Personal insults/attacks by other members.
The content posted by other members, whether directed at you personally or a label/classification you associate with. This includes remarks you consider to be libelous or slanderous in any way.
Any financial or time loss due to your participation here or as a result of something you read at this site, including posts/PMs by other members and feature(s)/software available at the domain uspoliticsonline.com.
The dissemination of any personal information about you as a result of either your negligence (e.g. staying logged into a computer that others have access to) or willingness to post such information on a public and or private forum, private message or chat box. This includes using your real name or other details that could allow other members and/or the general public to determine your true identity. You are prohibited from using your real name on these forums, either as your username or in posts / PMs you write.

FORUM RULES, IN ADDITION TO THE DISCLAIMER

1. These rules apply to all sections of USPOL, including public and private forums, blogs, and visitor messages.

2. You cannot attack and/or personally insult someone. You cannot bait other forum members; this includes referring to posters by derogatory terms. Please, remain courteous and respectful to all forum members at all times. You agree to take responsibility for reporting such posts when you come across them. Please, use the ignore feature if need be. Any member who intentionally and continually posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response, or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, may be regarded as a troll by staff, and have their account suspended or banned.

3. You cannot harass (sexually or otherwise) other members. This includes malicious, slanderous, or defamatory comments. If you are not sure if something you write is inappropriate or not then don't say it. Err on the side of caution.

4. Copying and Pasting Articles, and Starting New Threads. You cannot simply cut and paste in posts or when starting threads. You MUST provide the identifying information (source, author, date, and URL). You must also offer some original thoughts along with the cut and paste. You may copy and paste an excerpt or series of excerpts from the article. Excerpts really shouldnt be more then a paragraph or two. Furthermore, if you use images or other copyrighted material in your posts or signature you must have permission of the copyright holder unless you know for a fact that the image is in the public domain. In addition:
a. It must include the identifying information; e.g., where available, the author, the publication, the date, the URL.
b. The member must offer some context, including: How did you hear of this article? What is your opinion? Why is it important to you? Why should it be important to forum readers? The more context you provide, the more you assist others in gauging the excerpted information's significance.
c. You may copy and paste an excerpt or series of excerpts, not the whole thing or even the majority of the whole thing to encourage people to read the entire article.

A violation of any of the above will result in the deletion or closing of the post or thread and could earn you a warning or suspension. If you have any questions concering any of the above please PM a moderator and we will be happy to clarify.

5. You cannot post the same thing in multiple forums. You must not open similar threads about the same or a similar topic. You cannot spam the board or send unsolicited messages to members via PM, email or any other means.

6. Do not post off-topic. You cannot derail a thread with off topic posts.

7. You cannot shout in posts. This includes posting in all CAPS, bold, lIkE tHiS, and extra large font. Posts should also be one color, although you may use an additional color for highlighting ideas you wish to address.

8. You may not alter quotes in a way that misrepresents what was originally said.

9. Multiple accounts are not allowed. If you are found to have more than one account all accounts will be permanently terminated.

10. You cannot have a user name, avatar, signature, or post images that are deliberately offensive. That includes the display of overly explicit or graphic images that may not be suitable for minors.

11. Signatures can not have more than three lines of text, with a font size no larger than "4", and no more than two font colors. Images in signatures cannot be any larger than 800 pixels wide x 200 pixels tall. Animated images are not allowed.

12. You are prohibited from taking any action to disturb the use of the services by others, distribute material that contains viruses, spyware or any other malicious code or harmful programs. This includes interfering with the working of the network, attempts to gain unauthorized access to a service or other computer systems that are part of the site or any other site, by use of the available services.

13. Discussion of moderation actions in public and/or private forums is not permitted. Moderation actions include warnings, suspensions and the editing or deletion of posts. If a member has a concern about a moderation action, he or she is invited to address it with the board staff via Private Message. This rule exists to protect the privacy of all posters with regards to disciplinary action. The moderator team will never publicly discuss the warnings/suspensions of any posters, and we ask that you return the favor, whether about yourself or another poster. Posting about moderation actions in the public forums constitutes a violation. You are free to discuss a moderation action via Private Message with the moderator involved, but you may not harass or abuse the moderators (as already specified in the forum rules). In practical terms, this means that once a moderator tells you his or her decision is final, no further PMs about that moderation action are permitted. If you have a concern about a moderation action, you are free to appeal to a Forum Administrator via Private Message. You may only discuss moderator activities or discussion of moderation with staff member if you chose to private message and are not under any circumstances allowed to use the PM function to forward or promote moderator discussion in regards to specific forum action, amongst other regular members. Administrators do reserve the right to read said PMs and may do so ; if that results in discovery of messaging between posters of such moderator discussion then it will lead to the same violation being received for discussing said moderator actions on the forum. If you receive a message to the effect of having been given moderator information, please report it to a member of staff. Engaging back in that discussion with the original violator will earn you just as stiff a sanction.

14. Do not ignore moderators or administrators. Do not repost something a moderator or administrator has deleted. You cannot have moderators or administrators on your ignore list.

15. Only post in English. Short passages in foreign languages may be acceptable if its use seems helpful for the ongoing discussion and when there is no indication of a potential violation of the forum rules. Always provide a translation into English in such cases. In case of doubt, the incident will be regarded as a violation, no matter of the actual meaning of the foreign language text.

16. The use of words/comments etc. written by other posters, without approval of the poster in your personal signature is not allowed nor are references, by name, to other posters allowed.

17. Please pay attention to announcements by Forum staff that will be found in the "Welcome! / News & Announcements" forum from time to time.

18. Use of "liar", "lies", "lying", etc. Accusing someone of being a "liar" or similar accusations towards other posters will generally be regarded as implying an insult and therewith as a violation of the forum rules. "I question the validity of your statement because...", "That's not the truth" or "you are wrong about that" are sufficient for any decent discussion if you want to disagree with somebody's assertions.

19. Thread opening restriction for new members. In order to control SPAM, new members must have moderator approval to start their own threads.

20. Thread titles must relate to the discussion within. Do not make misleading titles, or titles such as "Guess what..." or "You'll never believe this...". Members need to be able to identify the general gist of the thread via the title. Profanity in thread titles is not permitted.

21. Forum members are instructed to use forum tools and abilities for their intended purposes and no other. If members identify a forum glitch or weakness of any kind that allows you to see or do something you know you shouldn't, please report it. Being aware of any unintended access to the Forum and failing to take appropriate steps to notify staff of said access issues, will create a presumption of seeking to take advantage of the issue, will result in either account suspension, or banishment.

22. Any link to a site that contains graphic content, must contain a warning describing what a person might reasonably expect to view if they click on said link. No graphic pictures are to be posted on the Forum.

23. Threats or advocations of violence toward a public figure, or member of the Forum, will not be tolerated. Conversation about revolution or the like is not prohibited by this rule; directly calling for violence is, eg It's time to kill every <redacted> that voted for the bill, is not permitted.

24. Accounts with no posts will be deleted after 30 days. Inactive accounts with low post histories may be deleted after one year.

25. Private forums are something offered to members that decide to contribute directly to this site via donations. These donations help immensely in keeping this site up and running. Private forums are designed to allow the contributing member discuss whatever he/she wants to and to have the power to direct that discussion in whatever way he/she chose. They were not designed nor are they intended for simply talking trash about members that don't have access to the forum. While the targeted members cannot see the forum or the comments, it creates a negative atmosphere that really isn't necessary. If you want to totally rip apart ideas, ideologies, political parties, etc. that is fine. We simply ask that you don't use the private forums as a means to attack other members that aren't privy to such comments. It is difficult enough to have a political discussion forum because the discussion of politics is inherently heated as people are so passionate about their beliefs...the ones that take the time to come to such a site in the first place at least. The idea of private forums is so people of similar political persuasions can discuss whatever they want without fear of being attacked. Nonetheless, we hope that a certain level of maturity would foster itself within such an arena and not simply lend itself to a bashing forum.

Private Forums are governed by all of the above Forum rules. In addition:
  • Private forums that essentially become abandoned homes will be subject to deletion, donation or reorganization. Just like elsewhere in life, clubs sometimes lose their vitality and purpose for a myriad of reasons. If it becomes clear that a private forum has clearly lost its vitality and nobody is going to really use it anymore, owners are advised to consider whether to reuse the forum for something new and productive rather than let them linger or notify the Administration that the forum should be rearranged for other purposes, closed, merged with other compatible private forums, donated to others for new purposes, etc. Do not be concerned that your forum must be a membership and post count race with others to avoid falling under this policy; the question is whether your forum has actual vitality instead of being 'brain dead.'
  • Additionally, private forums may only be owned by subscribed members in the Platinum or Diamond categories.
  • Should the owner of a private forum be banned, quit USPOL or otherwise abandon the forum the PF will be transferred to another owner or closed.
  • Propriety of private forums. Administration staff will determine the desirability of a proposed private forum and enact any conditions upon it to ensure its purpose is productive.
  • Any and all instances of sharing accounts by allowing someone else to log in under their own account so they can see into private forums for which they are otherwise not permitted to access, will be deemed violation of the double account rule and all caught doing so will be permanently banned.
  • Relaying private forum posts and information to other posters who are not members of the particular private forum for any negative or destructive purpose (eg mean-spirited gossip, fueling interpersonal disputes, etc), is not permitted, and will constitute a violation of the Forum rules.
  • For purposes of monitoring USPOL Terms of Service Administrative staff (not Moderators) will have access to Private Forums.
  • All Private Forums must have at least one active Administrator as a member for purposes of handling issues which cannot be addressed through moderation permissions.
  • Discussion of moderation activities is prohibited on the open site and is likewise prohibited in Private Forums.

26. The administrators and moderators reserve the right to edit and/or delete a post,and/or close a thread, and/or delete a thread at any time if of the opinion that the post is too obscene, inappropriate, or the discussion has run its course.

27. 'Back seat moderating' is not allowed. If you take issue with another poster's contribution to the forum, you're welcome to report any posts you think are out of line, but you should not bring it up publicly within the forum.

28. Images in posts (whether embedded or hot linked) must be reasonable in size. 800x800 should be considered a good rule of thumb. Excessively large images make it difficult for users on mobile devices to load pages. If necessary please simply link to very large images using the URL tags. In addition, the following images are not permitted (including, but not limited to pages with images or videos containing):
  • Strategically covered nudity
  • Sheer or see-through clothing
  • Lewd or provocative poses
  • Close-ups of breasts, buttocks, or crotches

29. Any solicitation or communication involving sports betting / gambling / online casinos / bookies and or internet based card or slot machine systems or sites will lead to all said content being physically removed from the site and server, and will lead to any and or all parties involved being permanently removed and banned from the site to the farthest extent possible. This includes any links to any form of bookmaker, casino, any type of game or match or event where money transfers on the outcome or link of any sort to wire act violations and or anything in violation of either the Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act, Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006, or the Federal wire Act. This applies not only to the open forum but all and or any chat rooms, articles, private messages and or private forums. All content that violates this rule will be deleted, without notice.

CONSEQUENCES

Failure to comply with any of the forum rules may result in your posts being edited or deleted and/or your account being temporarily or permanently banned from the forums. U.S. Politics Online uses a warning system that generates an automated Private Message to members when they are in violation of Forum rules. The decision to issue a warning is left to the discretion of the moderator or administrator handling the violation. If a member does not agree with an action taken by a moderator, they can appeal to an administrator after seeking clarification from the moderator who issued the warning/infraction and appealing to them in the first instance. Members MAY NOT harass a moderator or administrator by sending excessive PMs when they are discussing an appeal.

Violations are assigned a point value. Points are valid for 30 days. When a members earns 10 points, their account will be automatically suspended: five (5) days for a first suspension; ten (10) days for a second suspension; and twenty (20) days for a third suspension. If a member incurs an additional 10 points after having served three periods of suspension, then they will be permanently banned from the Forum.

Point values are as follows:
Zero (0) points Warning
Two (2) points - Minor infraction / Non post infraction (minor) / Off topic posts / spamming
Four (4) points - Academic dishonesty / Baiting / Discussing moderator or administrator actions / Implying an insult / Minor insults / Moderate infraction / Non-post infraction (moderate) / Thread dumping
Six (6) points - Direct insult at another member / major infraction / Non-post infraction (major)
Ten (10) points - Act of criminality, or advocating thereof

The administrators and moderators also bear the right to issue warnings, temporarily suspend or ban posters for continued trolling or other serious misconduct (eg. professional spamming) even if the poster has not yet reached the maximum warning points or suspensions level. Other options if the above consequences do not seem adequate include placing the member in a moderation queue, which means all posts will have to be approved before they are posted to the board.

PRIVACY POLICY

All information obtained by the end user via the registration process is for internal purposes only and will not be sold to or shared with any third parties. However, if the end user participates in illegal activities and a court of proper jurisdiction orders U.S. Politics Online to release certain information about said user then we will act according to the law. Furthermore, no information will be released on threat of a lawsuit, attempted or actual intimidation, or due to any other reason except as notated in the first sentence of this paragraph. Nonetheless, keep in mind that the information we do have is very limited and generally only consists of the IP address a member uses.

SUBSCRIPTIONS

U.S. Politics Online offers several subscription plans to help cover the operational costs of the site. As a thank you for your donation, you will receive special added benefits meant to enhance your U.S. Politics Online experience. Plans vary in price, starting at only $0.05/day, and benefits vary with the price. Benefits include ability to go straight to new posts, to search the forum, larger avatar, private forums, invisible mode, photo gallery, email, web hosting, and no advertisement banners. Please, click here for more details.
See more
See less

Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Re: Obama caught lying again, this time just in Thursday's press conference

    Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Obama’s ‘5 Percent’ Con Job

    Obama’s ‘5 Percent’ Con Job

    Basically, this means that all the all the employer based healthcare plans were PLANNED to be cancelled as were all the individual healthcare plans.

    While Obama's DOJ is arguing before the court that this is indeed the case, he's standing front and center on the national press public stage assuring us that it's only 5% and that it was an oversight. That's patently two faced lying, repeatedly lying.

    Been telling you that this is criminal fraud.
    Yeah...who's going to prosecute the criminals involved....Holder? Hell if he did that, there goes his immunity for his crimes.

    ?


    • Re: Obama caught lying again, this time just in Thursday's press conference

      Originally posted by 9aces View Post
      Yeah...who's going to prosecute the criminals involved....Holder? Hell if he did that, there goes his immunity for his crimes.
      Time for special prosecutors then? Didn't we have one for Nixon? Didn't we have one for Clinton?

      ?


      • Re: Obama caught lying again, this time just in Thursday's press conference

        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
        Time for special prosecutors then? Didn't we have one for Nixon? Didn't we have one for Clinton?
        And what's the process for empaneling one? How much of congress do you need for it?

        Seriously thought, if the Republicans wanted to, they'd have long ago done it. I'd be willing to bet too many of them have a lot of skeletons in their closets the NSA will "accidentally leak" if one ever got out of committee.

        ?


        • Re: Obama caught lying again, this time just in Thursday's press conference

          Originally posted by 9aces View Post
          And what's the process for empaneling one? How much of congress do you need for it?

          Seriously thought, if the Republicans wanted to, they'd have long ago done it. I'd be willing to bet too many of them have a lot of skeletons in their closets the NSA will "accidentally leak" if one ever got out of committee.
          You can't, politically, do anything to the first black President of the U.S. Unless he kills his family or something, he is Teflon coated. If anyone considered taking any legal action against him, that person would immediately be labeled a racist bigot.

          ?


          • Re: Obama caught lying again, this time just in Thursday's press conference

            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            You can't, politically, do anything to the first black President of the U.S. Unless he kills his family or something, he is Teflon coated. If anyone considered taking any legal action against him, that person would immediately be labeled a racist bigot.
            So much for the blind lady of justice.
            Once this path is trod, it's easier to travel. Does this mean we can expect the same with all the other 'first' minority presidents?
            Oh great. That's just peachy.

            ?


            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

              A more concise description of Obama's deception on how many people will eventually lose their health care, and how long ago the administration knew about it.

              But thats not the half of it literally. Andy notes that the administrations internal estimates have shown, for at least three years, as reported in the Federal Register, that most of the 156 million Americans covered by employer plans will also lose their coverage under Obamacare. He adds that the administration also let the cat out of the bag in a letter to state insurance commissioners, wherein it admitted that small businesses not just individuals would be among those whose plans would be canceled.

              Just in case the administration tries to worm out of these latest damning revelations, Andy presents another one that should put such disingenuous denials finally to rest. In a brief submitted to the federal district court in Washington by Obamas Department of Health and Human Services in a case over the conscience clause (another matter poisoned by Obamas abject deception), the administration conceded that even under the grandfathering provision, it is estimated that a majority of group health plans will have lost their grandfather status by the end of 2013. Point. Game. Set. Match.
              Obama's Obamacare deception: You may not know the half of it

              Greater details on the legal brief:

              It gets worse. My friends at the American Freedom Law Center (on whose advisory board I sit) are representing Priests for Life, a group aggrieved by Obamacares denial of religious liberty specifically, the ACAs mandate that believers, despite their faith-based objections, provide their employees with coverage for the use of abortifacients and contraceptives. On October 17, the Obama Department of Health and Human Services, represented by the Obama Justice Department, submitted a brief to the federal district court in Washington, opposing Priests for Lifes summary judgment motion. On page 27 of its brief, the Justice Department makes the following remarkable assertion:
              The [ACAs] grandfathering provisions incremental transition does not undermine the governments interests in a significant way. [Citing, among other sources, the Federal Register.] Even under the grandfathering provision, it is projected that more group health plans will transition to the requirements under the regulations as time goes on. Defendants have estimated that a majority of group health plans will have lost their grandfather status by the end of 2013.

              HHS and the Justice Department cite the same section of the Federal Register referred to by John Hinderaker, as well as an annual survey on Employer Health Benefits compiled by the Kaiser Family Foundation in 2012.
              Obama's '5 Percent' Con Job - It's a 100 percent lie, according to the White House's own figures.

              Interesting that lawyers are more honest than the president. Hmm. What's that say?

              I'm still perplexed that people actually bought the argument, that we had to remake the entire healthcare system just get coverage for a small percentage of people that didn't have any.
              He (Obama) wants us to forget that he demanded we change the entire health care system for a smaller percentage of Americans than that those 8 million to 10 million who not only cant afford health insurance but also dont qualify for any government assistance as Ive noted before. Five percent is an insignificant number when Obama has directly caused their harm, but 3 percent is astronomical when it serves his purpose of advancing statism.
              Obama's Obamacare deception: You may not know the half of it

              I guess this must be the impact of that new 'Common Core' math that I've heard so much about.

              Seems that massive healthcare entitlement legislation has been repealed, once passed into law.

              It is enormously different, said Ron Pollack, the executive director of Families USA, a liberal consumer advocacy group, who supported both the new health law and the catastrophic-care program. You had a benefit totally paid for by 40 percent of the Medicare beneficiaries, who overwhelmingly thought there was not a benefit there for them. It is understandable they were upset.

              Others involved with the passage and repeal of the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act see clear parallels with the current situation, in which a very vocal segment that views itself as harmed by the new law has joined with highly organized political operations to rally opposition to it.

              When I saw this massive thing, I said, Boy, if this is anything like catastrophic, they are going to be in trouble, said Brian J. Donnelly, who led the 1989 repeal effort as a Massachusetts Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee. It is a very good analogy.
              Lesson Is Seen in Failure of Law on Medicare in 1989

              Tell me this doesn't sound like Obamacare. One can only hope that Obamacare will meet the same future as 1989 Medicare law.

              ?


              • Re: Obama caught lying again, this time just in Thursday's press conference

                Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                Time for special prosecutors then? Didn't we have one for Nixon? Didn't we have one for Clinton?
                and what was the result both times? Hell Nixon ADMITTED to watergate openly. Nothing but his resignation.
                Clinton wanted to argue the meaning of IS! Nothing happened.
                Sensing a pattern here? Me too.

                (̅_̅_̅(̅(̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅̅()ڪ

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                You can't, politically, do anything to the first black President of the U.S. Unless he kills his family or something, he is Teflon coated. If anyone considered taking any legal action against him, that person would immediately be labeled a racist bigot.
                They ALREADY get labelled that when they oppose his policies. They don't do it because a) it wouldn't go anywhere in a dem controlled senate. and b) because alot of them have secrets that someone will go MAD on if pressed.

                ?


                • Re: Obama caught lying again, this time just in Thursday's press conference

                  Originally posted by reality View Post
                  and what was the result both times? Hell Nixon ADMITTED to watergate openly. Nothing but his resignation.
                  Clinton wanted to argue the meaning of IS! Nothing happened.
                  Sensing a pattern here? Me too.

                  (̅_̅_̅(̅(̅_̅_̅_̅_̅_̅̅()ڪ



                  They ALREADY get labelled that when they oppose his policies. They don't do it because a) it wouldn't go anywhere in a dem controlled senate. and b) because alot of them have secrets that someone will go MAD on if pressed.

                  And that is the biggest danger of the NSA snooping.

                  ?


                  • Re: Obama caught lying again, this time just in Thursday's press conference

                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                    And that is the biggest danger of the NSA snooping.
                    Did Hoover get reincarnated and now runs the NSA from the shadows?

                    ?


                    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                      I wasn't talking about what people were thinking about Obamacare, I was talking about why in the world would people vote for lying sacks and put them back in office to only lye to them more? Doesn't make any sense at all to me.
                      ...

                      Where do you see that anything I've said in my post about lying sacks being voted back into office? Really. I'd like to understand your perspective on this better.
                      The poll cited notes how the ACA group hadn't lost ground over the last couple of years, while those opposed lost ground. Despite the obvious mess, lies and confusion surrounding the ACA. The contrary position should have gained ground.

                      Perhaps a combination of blind faith in the ACA and disgust with the GOP counter. People continue voting in the party that offers a mess, complete with lies to cover up the mess. The competition apparently can't beat the mess. It speaks volumes. That's how useless the debate over health care has become.

                      ?


                      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                        Another success

                        ?


                        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                          Of course if you are a Congressional employee or a Congresscritter, Obamacare is not a problem for you:

                          Perks Ease Way in Health Plans for Lawmakers

                          Insurers routinely offer “member services” to enrollees. But on Capitol Hill, the phrase has special meaning, indicating concierge-type services for members of Congress.
                          http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/20/us...ange.html?_r=0

                          ?


                          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                            Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                            The poll cited notes how the ACA group hadn't lost ground over the last couple of years, while those opposed lost ground. Despite the obvious mess, lies and confusion surrounding the ACA. The contrary position should have gained ground.

                            Perhaps a combination of blind faith in the ACA and disgust with the GOP counter. People continue voting in the party that offers a mess, complete with lies to cover up the mess. The competition apparently can't beat the mess. It speaks volumes. That's how useless the debate over health care has become.
                            How about this poll?

                            Scribd

                            ?


                            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                              And, of course, it's the Republicans fault.

                              ?


                              • Re: Obama caught lying again, this time just in Thursday's press conference

                                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                                And that is the biggest danger of the NSA snooping.
                                They got private investigators and "hey I need a favor get me outta this NOW" shit like that. NSA snooping is bad but not the only reason for this. Politicians, like all people hVe skeletons. Spies jobs are to either find those things or prevent other spies from finding them.

                                ?

                                Working...
                                X