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  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

    Latest and greatest from the non-partisan CBO and their bean counting / forecasting department.

    Oh this ObamaCare is JUST SUCH A GOOD IDEA (extreme sarcasm).

    This is really funny. Pelosi was selling ObamaCare as creating jobs:

    (please note, I'm posting this YouTube video blind. If it doesn't work, I apologize in advance)

    Yet another reason (among a long, long litany of reasons) not to trust government, not to trust the administration, not to trust congress, not to trust Pelosi and not to trust Obama.

    Do you suppose that all these people and entities have any clue, inkling, or concept just how much they damaged themselves and these public institutions in the eyes of the electorate with ObamaCare?

    It'll be at least a generation or perhaps 2 before trust is earned back, if it even can be.

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    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      Latest and greatest from the non-partisan CBO and their bean counting / forecasting department.

      Oh this ObamaCare is JUST SUCH A GOOD IDEA (extreme sarcasm).

      This is really funny. Pelosi was selling ObamaCare as creating jobs:

      (please note, I'm posting this YouTube video blind. If it doesn't work, I apologize in advance)

      Yet another reason (among a long, long litany of reasons) not to trust government, not to trust the administration, not to trust congress, not to trust Pelosi and not to trust Obama.

      Do you suppose that all these people and entities have any clue, inkling, or concept just how much they damaged themselves and these public institutions in the eyes of the electorate with ObamaCare?

      It'll be at least a generation or perhaps 2 before trust is earned back, if it even can be.

      Video is good.

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      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
        Latest and greatest from the non-partisan CBO and their bean counting / forecasting department.

        Oh this ObamaCare is JUST SUCH A GOOD IDEA (extreme sarcasm).

        This is really funny. Pelosi was selling ObamaCare as creating jobs:

        (please note, I'm posting this YouTube video blind. If it doesn't work, I apologize in advance)

        Yet another reason (among a long, long litany of reasons) not to trust government, not to trust the administration, not to trust congress, not to trust Pelosi and not to trust Obama.

        Do you suppose that all these people and entities have any clue, inkling, or concept just how much they damaged themselves and these public institutions in the eyes of the electorate with ObamaCare?

        It'll be at least a generation or perhaps 2 before trust is earned back, if it even can be.
        "Lowering costs and improving accessibility"... "400,000 new jobs already"... "Millions more from entrepreneurship"... Pelosi in that video, or the exact opposite of the realized effects of ACA.

        Just add this to the growing list of monumentally stupid shit Pelosi has said over the years and call it a day.

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        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

          Checking in to see ensure this forum is filled with completely false information concerning the ACA and the recent CBO report.

          Not that you care (because it conflicts with your ideology) but the accusation that the ACA will cause millions of job losses is 100% false. I won't put the entirely of the blame you because many media outlets completely botched the reporting on this.

          A Lot Of Media Outlets Botched The CBO's Obamacare Report

          The Congressional Budget Office issued a report on Tuesday that said that as many as 2 million people could exit the workforce thanks to the Affordable Care Act. The reasons for this, the CBO said, were varied, but it stressed that the economy would see "a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than...a net drop in businesses’ demand for labor," thanks to, for instance, people choosing to quit jobs they didn't like but were only staying in because of their health care benefits.

          That's not how a lot of media outlets reported the news, however. A lot of them said that the report was warning that Obamacare would kill over 2 million jobs—a notion at odd's with the CBO's conclusion that some workers would choose not to work.

          This led to a lot of alterations like the one the Washington Post had to make on Tuesday afternoon:
          People working because they don't need to is completely different than companies killing jobs. Don't let the facts get in the way though please return to your ACA hating.

          Republicans: Because America should be forced to work multiple jobs into retirement just so they have health insurance!!

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          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

            Originally posted by Danny View Post
            Checking in to see ensure this forum is filled with completely false information concerning the ACA and the recent CBO report.

            Not that you care (because it conflicts with your ideology) but the accusation that the ACA will cause millions of job losses is 100% false. I won't put the entirely of the blame you because many media outlets completely botched the reporting on this.

            A Lot Of Media Outlets Botched The CBO's Obamacare Report



            People working because they don't need to is completely different than companies killing jobs. Don't let the facts get in the way though please return to your ACA hating.

            Republicans: Because America should be forced to work multiple jobs into retirement just so they have health insurance!!
            Democrats: Because young americans should have to work multiple jobs all the way til retirement just so someone else can have health insurance!

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            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

              Originally posted by Danny View Post
              Checking in to see ensure this forum is filled with completely false information concerning the ACA and the recent CBO report.

              Not that you care (because it conflicts with your ideology) but the accusation that the ACA will cause millions of job losses is 100% false. I won't put the entirely of the blame you because many media outlets completely botched the reporting on this.

              A Lot Of Media Outlets Botched The CBO's Obamacare Report



              People working because they don't need to is completely different than companies killing jobs. Don't let the facts get in the way though please return to your ACA hating.

              Republicans: Because America should be forced to work multiple jobs into retirement just so they have health insurance!!
              It may very well be that much of the media botched the reporting.

              What isn't at issue is that ObamaCare allows many who worked more to afford healthcare coverage, now don't have to work more, but instead will receive government subsidies to help them afford their healthcare.

              So who's ending up paying for these government subsidies? Answer: Everyone else.

              So what we have here is the entrenchment of the entitlement society, in that 'work less, get more' (someone else will pay for it), as well as 'you can't do it on your own' and 'greater dependance on the government is OK' mentality is applauded.

              Hardly a good prescription moving the society as well as the economy and the individual person forward and into a more prosperous future. Rather, this is an appeal to be satisfied with less, less achievement and less success, in your life.

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              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                It may very well be that much of the media botched the reporting.

                What isn't at issue is that ObamaCare allows many who worked more to afford healthcare coverage, now don't have to work more, but instead will receive government subsidies to help them afford their healthcare.

                So who's ending up paying for these government subsidies? Answer: Everyone else.

                So what we have here is the entrenchment of the entitlement society, in that 'work less, get more' (someone else will pay for it), as well as 'you can't do it on your own' and 'greater dependance on the government is OK' mentality is applauded.

                Hardly a good prescription moving the society as well as the economy and the individual person forward and into a more prosperous future. Rather, this is an appeal to be satisfied with less, less achievement and less success, in your life.
                isn't that just classic?

                Danny defends people no longer needing to hold down a job, and therefore not putting money back into the economy and simply sucking at the taxpayer tit, by saying "but now YOU get to pay for THEIR insurance" like that's a good thing

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                • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                  Originally posted by reality View Post
                  isn't that just classic?

                  Danny defends people no longer needing to hold down a job, and therefore not putting money back into the economy and simply sucking at the taxpayer tit, by saying "but now YOU get to pay for THEIR insurance" like that's a good thing
                  It is a good thing for the big government types. More people dependent on government is great for big government.

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                  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                    CBO director: Obamacare ‘creates a disincentive for people to work’

                    Read more: CBO director: Obamacare 'creates a disincentive for people to work' | The Daily Caller
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                      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                        It may very well be that much of the media botched the reporting.

                        What isn't at issue is that ObamaCare allows many who worked more to afford healthcare coverage, now don't have to work more, but instead will receive government subsidies to help them afford their healthcare.

                        So who's ending up paying for these government subsidies? Answer: Everyone else.

                        So what we have here is the entrenchment of the entitlement society, in that 'work less, get more' (someone else will pay for it), as well as 'you can't do it on your own' and 'greater dependance on the government is OK' mentality is applauded.

                        Hardly a good prescription moving the society as well as the economy and the individual person forward and into a more prosperous future. Rather, this is an appeal to be satisfied with less, less achievement and less success, in your life.


                        Having your health insurance tied to your job is probably the most inefficient system possible. It costs employers more (a disincentive for hiring) and causes people to go without coverage if they lose their job. Only a Republican could advocate for such a poor way of running a society. The BEST way to cover a population is for everyone to pool their money and have a single payment government-run system. The countries that have done this have the least cost. The countries that haven't have the most cost (ie:YOU).

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                        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                          Originally posted by Danny
                          Having your health insurance tied to your job is probably the most inefficient system possible. It costs employers more (a disincentive for hiring) and causes people to go without coverage if they lose their job. Only a Republican could advocate for such a poor way of running a society. The BEST way to cover a population is for everyone to pool their money and have a single payment government-run system. The countries that have done this have the least cost. The countries that haven't have the most cost (ie:YOU).
                          Given the brilliant track record of successes, on time, on budget, high quality, of our government, my healthcare is the last thing that I want to give them total control over.

                          Government is supposed to work within the economy as part of it, not become the economy.

                          Federal single payer is a non-starter, at least for another generation - perhaps longer if we are lucky, especially after the botched ObamaCare roll out, both on a technology level as well as the policy level.

                          State single payer, well, we'd have to explore that a bit more, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that the states would run it better than the feds. As I stated in another thread, if it really gets to be too much, I can move between states. I can't really move out of the country, nor would I want to.

                          I can tell that this whole 'Leave the government out of it' and 'freedom from government' still has you all confused.

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                          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                            Hell I think I'll go ahead and retire. After all, since the government's going to pay for everything since I choose not to work, why not.

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                            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                              Originally posted by Danny View Post
                              Having your health insurance tied to your job is probably the most inefficient system possible. It costs employers more (a disincentive for hiring) and causes people to go without coverage if they lose their job. Only a Republican could advocate for such a poor way of running a society. The BEST way to cover a population is for everyone to pool their money and have a single payment government-run system. The countries that have done this have the least cost. The countries that haven't have the most cost (ie:YOU).
                              For once we agree on something. Employers should not be required to pay for any benefit for employees. It is a silly way to fund health care. I also would be for a co-op type system where everyone paid in the same amount for health care but the problem is, Democrats want to use health care as another way to redistribute wealth.

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                              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                                CBO Director: ObamaCare Will Reduce Workers' Wages

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