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  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

    Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    I've never been in a room where I felt like the smartest guy in it but that may be just my chronic lack of self esteem. In fact if I'm ever in a room where I am the smartest I may do a little jig.
    There's a difference between what we do on here which is arguing our side and being a smug git. I don't think anyone here thinks they are truly so much above others that they have the only answers.
    I'm not sure you are as liberal as you claim to be.

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    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
      I've never been in a room where I felt like the smartest guy in it but that may be just my chronic lack of self esteem. In fact if I'm ever in a room where I am the smartest I may do a little jig.
      There's a difference between what we do on here which is arguing our side and being a smug git. I don't think anyone here thinks they are truly so much above others that they have the only answers.
      This is very different from some, where you get no sense of humility. You get authoritarian 'I'm right and you are stupid' (over confidence? excessive ego?). If they are caught in the wrong, they disappear from the thread rather than own up to it (lack of personal accountability). We see this any number of times in these forums.

      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
      I'm not sure you are as liberal as you claim to be.
      Oh Dan. You beat me to it.

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      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

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        Now that'll leave a mark, should Axelrod be alert enough to notice.

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        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

          It's taken years for IDC10 to go live; did anybody really think that inter-entity ETL was going to go so smoothly?

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          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

            Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
            It's taken years for IDC10 to go live; did anybody really think that inter-entity ETL was going to go so smoothly?
            The time window to get this up and running is shrinking fast. It's been reported that they need to have 7m enrolled by March 1st, or the program collapses under it's own weight, i.e. it won't have enough healthy people to pay (fines or premiums) for the sick people.

            Only a congressional action could possibly save it at that point, with a huge injection of tax dollars (in order to pay for claims), and this doesn't seem likely given the present congressional composition and positions.

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            • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
              The time window to get this up and running is shrinking fast. It's been reported that they need to have 7m enrolled by March 1st, or the program collapses under it's own weight, i.e. it won't have enough healthy people to pay (fines or premiums) for the sick people.

              Only a congressional action could possibly save it at that point, with a huge injection of tax dollars (in order to pay for claims), and this doesn't seem likely given the present congressional composition and positions.
              It will fail.
              The Insurance companies didn't know the Supreme Court was going to uphold the law and thus never put the needed resources into mapping out the input/output.
              I know too many people working for too many financial firms that have spent years on these type of projects which have failed miserably.
              Most firms wouldn't even spend the money on the talent anyway.

              The ACA is Dead On No-Arrival.

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              • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                It will fail.
                The Insurance companies didn't know the Supreme Court was going to uphold the law and thus never put the needed resources into mapping out the input/output.
                I know too many people working for too many financial firms that have spent years on these type of projects which have failed miserably.
                Most firms wouldn't even spend the money on the talent anyway.

                The ACA is Dead On No-Arrival.
                And promptly converted into a pitch for single payer - I can hear Obama already:
                'If only we had complete control of the healthcare system, we could really make it work.'

                But given the failure of Obamacare, I doubt that the Congress or the electorate would be much in the mood for giving the government a Mulligan.

                Then the real question then becomes, "What is next?"
                What is the next evolution for healthcare?
                Repeal and reversal back to what it was?
                Repeal and replace? What's in the wings that could quickly step in? (Nothing I'm aware of)
                An Obamacre re-write (should the congress and the electorate sit still for it)?

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                • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                  Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                  And promptly converted into a pitch for single payer - I can hear Obama already:
                  'If only we had complete control of the healthcare system, we could really make it work.'

                  But given the failure of Obamacare, I doubt that the Congress or the electorate would be much in the mood for giving the government a Mulligan.

                  Then the real question then becomes, "What is next?"
                  What is the next evolution for healthcare?
                  Repeal and reversal back to what it was?
                  Repeal and replace? What's in the wings that could quickly step in? (Nothing I'm aware of)
                  An Obamacre re-write (should the congress and the electorate sit still for it)?
                  I agree with you that the pitch for Single Payer is next.
                  I give no credit to Obama or his administration for this as the buffoons actually believed this would work.
                  I guarantee you that the buyout for one or more Insurance Companies (BC/BS? Oxford?) will cost us, the taxpayer, an amount that will make fiasco look like a bargain (not that you don't already know that).
                  Another TARP, but this time, Health Services must actually be delivered, not some highway that's taking 10 years to Repubs.

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                  • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                    Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                    This is already happening to me, I even posted the notice from BCBS of GA right here in the forums. The answer from our ACA supporters... crickets.
                    I'm very concerned. Our group carrier is BC/BS but we have not had our open enroll yet this year: Usually it goes from sometime in September until the end of November ... When I inquired why we haven't started open enrollment yet, I was told it will be just 2 weeks in November.

                    (cue eery organ music)

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                    • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                      Then the real question then becomes, "What is next?"
                      That is the question now, isn't it?

                      Obama is trapped in the ACA, and frankly, doesn't have a way out.

                      Every possible way out is worse than the current pain. And the pain is only going to get worse.

                      There is, simply, no way for Obama to run, no place to hide, no matter how 'good' the ACA was the day it was signed into law, now it is a total and complete failure. Come Jan. 1st millions of folks will still be without insurance and thus will owe a 'fine' (tax) for not having it. Millions more will be paying 25% and (much) more for coverage.

                      And this is all of Obama's own making. I've said this here before, but it bears repeating:

                      There are but two choices here... the first week in September, either Obama KNEW that the web site was not ready or he did NOT KNOW.

                      If Obama did NOT KNOW, then people... starting with Sebelius need to be fired. For the only way for him not to have known is for them to have lied to him.

                      If Obama DID KNOW, and then failed to take the GOP up on their offer (demand) that the individual mandate be delayed a year, then that might well be the biggest strategic blunder in US political history.

                      Think on this my friends... September 4th or 5th... the report comes to the White House... the site isn't ready. Not even tested yet. Isn't going to be ready. Lots of blame, lots of should haves and might haves, but the bottom line? The site isn't going to be ready October 1st.

                      Obama then could have, to his own advantage, 'offered' the one year delay of the individual mandate to the GOP 'radicals' Played the part of the statesman. Offered it up as a blood red sacrifice to the right. Knowing all along that he, Obama, benefited the most from delaying it. He could have used it to get something else from the GOP... like maybe restoring the sequester cuts, or any one of a dozen other things. Maybe even cried in the Rose Garden; 'I didn't wan to do it... they made me do it! Mean old nasty Republicans! But I did it because default is just to horrible to think about' All the while breathing a sigh of relief if not actually laughing his ass off. 'Stupid Republican assholes! They demanded that I give them the keys to the car, when the car won't even run! Dumb fucks!'

                      But he didn't do it. We may never know why.

                      We can guess why... I think that he did know and choose to hate the Republicans more than actually help himself and that nation. This assumes that Obama's goal isn't really to govern, but to destroy the Republicans. Nothing else matters to him. He hates Republicans more than anything else. And in his rage, allowed himself to get caught up in his own massive failure.

                      Now Obama is stuck with it.

                      And there is no way out.

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                      • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                        Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                        That is the question now, isn't it?

                        Obama is trapped in the ACA, and frankly, doesn't have a way out.

                        Every possible way out is worse than the current pain. And the pain is only going to get worse.

                        There is, simply, no way for Obama to run, no place to hide, no matter how 'good' the ACA was the day it was signed into law, now it is a total and complete failure. Come Jan. 1st millions of folks will still be without insurance and thus will owe a 'fine' (tax) for not having it. Millions more will be paying 25% and (much) more for coverage.

                        And this is all of Obama's own making. I've said this here before, but it bears repeating:

                        There are but two choices here... the first week in September, either Obama KNEW that the web site was not ready or he did NOT KNOW.

                        If Obama did NOT KNOW, then people... starting with Sebelius need to be fired. For the only way for him not to have known is for them to have lied to him.

                        If Obama DID KNOW, and then failed to take the GOP up on their offer (demand) that the individual mandate be delayed a year, then that might well be the biggest strategic blunder in US political history.

                        Think on this my friends... September 4th or 5th... the report comes to the White House... the site isn't ready. Not even tested yet. Isn't going to be ready. Lots of blame, lots of should haves and might haves, but the bottom line? The site isn't going to be ready October 1st.

                        Obama then could have, to his own advantage, 'offered' the one year delay of the individual mandate to the GOP 'radicals' Played the part of the statesman. Offered it up as a blood red sacrifice to the right. Knowing all along that he, Obama, benefited the most from delaying it. He could have used it to get something else from the GOP... like maybe restoring the sequester cuts, or any one of a dozen other things. Maybe even cried in the Rose Garden; 'I didn't wan to do it... they made me do it! Mean old nasty Republicans! But I did it because default is just to horrible to think about' All the while breathing a sigh of relief if not actually laughing his ass off. 'Stupid Republican assholes! They demanded that I give them the keys to the car, when the car won't even run! Dumb fucks!'

                        But he didn't do it. We may never know why.

                        We can guess why... I think that he did know and choose to hate the Republicans more than actually help himself and that nation. This assumes that Obama's goal isn't really to govern, but to destroy the Republicans. Nothing else matters to him. He hates Republicans more than anything else. And in his rage, allowed himself to get caught up in his own massive failure.

                        Now Obama is stuck with it.

                        And there is no way out.
                        A rather good analysis.
                        But you do know the way out is Single Payer.
                        There is gonna be some crafty bastard, with the help of the LSM, that will put the fault on the INSURANCE companies.

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                        • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                          The time window to get this up and running is shrinking fast. It's been reported that they need to have 7m enrolled by March 1st, or the program collapses under it's own weight, i.e. it won't have enough healthy people to pay (fines or premiums) for the sick people.

                          Only a congressional action could possibly save it at that point, with a huge injection of tax dollars (in order to pay for claims), and this doesn't seem likely given the present congressional composition and positions.

                          Heh, Obama allowing Congress to control Obamacare.

                          If it's in as bad a shape in a year as it currently appears it will be, he'll sign a new EO raising the tax/fine on the uninsured. He won't let his signature legislation go gently into the night, no matter how bad it gets, as long as he's in office.

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                          • Re: Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

                            (I'll apologize in advance for cutting up our excellent analysis - there's just a few key points I'd like to contribute to).
                            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                            That is the question now, isn't it?

                            Obama is trapped in the ACA, and frankly, doesn't have a way out.
                            . . . .
                            And this is all of Obama's own making. I've said this here before, but it bears repeating:
                            . . .
                            He seems to do that with a pretty regular frequency to himself, and by extension the US and us. Just recall his foolish Red Line in Syria. You'd think that he'd have learned by now, but I guess not.

                            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                            If Obama DID KNOW, and then failed to take the GOP up on their offer (demand) that the individual mandate be delayed a year, then that might well be the biggest strategic blunder in US political history.
                            Seems strategy is one of his, and his senior staff's, weak points as well.

                            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                            . . .
                            We can guess why... I think that he did know and choose to hate the Republicans more than actually help himself and that nation. This assumes that Obama's goal isn't really to govern, but to destroy the Republicans. Nothing else matters to him. He hates Republicans more than anything else. And in his rage, allowed himself to get caught up in his own massive failure.

                            Now Obama is stuck with it.

                            And there is no way out.
                            Yup. Elections have consequences. Shouldn't vote ideologues into positions of power. Need pragmatists. Need consensus builders. Need leaders. Too bad Obama is none of these things. Just when the country needed it the most coming out of this financial crisis.

                            Originally posted by USCitizen View Post
                            A rather good analysis.
                            But you do know the way out is Single Payer.
                            There is gonna be some crafty bastard, with the help of the LSM, that will put the fault on the INSURANCE companies.
                            Single payer would involve starting from scratch to write the legislation for it. It took Obamacare 2 years to become law. Single payer would take at least that long. It's not possible to put the entire country's healthcare system on hold for that long. A short term 'fix' would be needed in addition to the single payer, but we both know that neither congress nor the electorate is going to have the stomach for it. I don't think this'll be the solution.

                            Given how accountable this administration has demonstrated it is, which is to say not at all, and how far and wide they cast the blame for everything that goes wrong (just think of all the scandals and how they've handled them), it's blatantly obvious that Obama and the administration along with their lapdog Biased LSM, are going to fling blame poo in every which direction possible, and hope some of it sticks, and that which does, will just generate a continuous torrent of blame excrement in that direction.

                            By now, some of the media aren't buying this anymore, and therefore larger and larger parts of the electorate aren't buying it either. It certainly took them long enough to get to this place (why not faster? Eh? Wasn't all that mentally difficult!)

                            Time-wise all I can see coming is Obamacare delay, defund, eliminate, and re-instate the previous system. I don't think that there'll be an Obamacare 2.0 coming forth.

                            As an aside, I'd like to see all the Obamacare supporters comment and chime in on this. See what their perspective on this is. For all I know, they may still be of the opinion that Obamacare is great, that the product is great, and that people are going to want it and buy it. (Oops, I think I heard that from the Rose garden recently).

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                              In New York, one of only 16 states that has its own exchange, not one person had succeeded in using the site to enroll in a plan as of Friday.

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                                Stewart noted that following the government shutdown, which some circles have blamed on the GOP, the United States was poised to turn “bluer than a Smurf’s balls after dry humping a bottle of Windex,” but following the roll out of Obamacare, those possibilities have been hurt. Noting the number of people that have visited the site and their success ratio, the host unloaded:
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