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Obamacare, Otherwise Known as The Affordable Care Act (ACA)

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  • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


    Supposedly, hospital rates were supposed to go down because they were no longer required to cover the uninsured. Right now, yours and my rates cover the uninsured. Also, now we are paying to cover the newly insured with rebates or subsidies, whatever you want to call it. Your tax rates may not have gone up yet but the deficit and the debt are increasing at unmanageable rates. It won't be long before either taxes go up or the country collapses.
    Here is what is going to happen with higher rates -either taxes or health care. It costs more, I spend less. If it goes up too much, and effects too many people, the economy collapses.

    There it is, sounds like I agree with you 100%. Make that 200%, because that disaster scenario "works" regardless of whether the high rates are imposed by the socialist or capitalist sector of the economy. What will be more common is the patient and doctor negotiating treatment that the patient can actually afford. That will happen whether it is all private or all socialist, because health care costs are going up at a double-digit inflation rate for several years, while real median income remains stagnant.

    High tech medical treatment costs too much money for most people, to make a long story short. The good news is, many people should be willing to go with 10 year-old technology to keep costs down, while end-of-life directives allow family members to keep their savings fairly safe because they have the option of "pulling the plug" on a terminally ill loved one. Sounds brutal? It's more brutal living under a bridge because one tried to keep aunt Mertyl alive despite her chances of living another 2 weeks were slim to none.

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    • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
      Here is what is going to happen with higher rates -either taxes or health care. It costs more, I spend less. If it goes up too much, and effects too many people, the economy collapses.

      There it is, sounds like I agree with you 100%. Make that 200%, because that disaster scenario "works" regardless of whether the high rates are imposed by the socialist or capitalist sector of the economy. What will be more common is the patient and doctor negotiating treatment that the patient can actually afford. That will happen whether it is all private or all socialist, because health care costs are going up at a double-digit inflation rate for several years, while real median income remains stagnant.

      High tech medical treatment costs too much money for most people, to make a long story short. The good news is, many people should be willing to go with 10 year-old technology to keep costs down, while end-of-life directives allow family members to keep their savings fairly safe because they have the option of "pulling the plug" on a terminally ill loved one. Sounds brutal? It's more brutal living under a bridge because one tried to keep aunt Mertyl alive despite her chances of living another 2 weeks were slim to none.

      What you are ignoring is the proper working of a capitalist society. Costs only go up as much as demand will pay. Unfortunately, we don't have a capitalist society. We have a society where socialists take money from one group and give it to another so everyone can be equal. When I was young, there was no wide spread medical insurance and everyone paid for their own treatment. The costs were kept down because they could only get what people were able to pay. Once insurance became widespread, costs and usage went up because "someone else was paying the bill." Today, government has made the situation even worse with the "someone else is paying the bill" syndrome.

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      • Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
        Now that Obamacare is in place and pretty hard to shift..

        Any accusation of Obamacare being socialist is bogus but I will concede that both Medicare and Medicaid are socialist programs and far more socialist that Obamacare.
        Top dispute that is just to show your ignorance of the programs...


        So all calls for ending Obamacare because it is socialist has to come after they want to disband Medicare and Medicaid first....
        I like arguing with you, Ted. You are self-defeating: So you maintain that O-Care is NOT socialist but Medicare and medicaid are?

        First point, you suggest that Medicare and Medicaid are "... far more socialist than Obamacare" which clearly stipulates that Obamacare is, in fact, socialist, just not as socialist as those other programs.

        Second point, it would be difficult to maintain that Obamacare is not socialist, but Medicare and Medicaid are socialist since Obamacare mandates involvement IN Medicare and Medicaid... one apple can spoil the barrel so Obamacare IS socialist because of its close affiliation with and inclusion of those programs you already state are socialist.

        You need a stronger argument (or, actually, ANY argument).

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        • I saw the following and thougth it might be pertinent:

          During the 3 1/2 years of World War II, that started with the Japanese bombing of Perl Harbor in December, 1941, and ended with the surrender of Germany and Japan in 1945, the U.S. produced 22 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 48 cruisers, 349 destroyers, 420 destroyer escorts, 203 submarines, 34 million tons of merchant ships, 100,000 fighter aircraft, 98,000 tanks, 257,000 artillery pieces, 105,000 mortars, 3,000,000 machine guns, and 2,500,000 military trucks.

          We put 16.1 million men in uniform in various armed services, invaded Africa, invaded Sicily and Italy, won the batle for the Atlantic, planned and executed D-Day, marched across the Pacific and Europe, developed the atomic bomb and ultimately conquered Japan and Germany.

          It is worth noting that during the almost exact amount of time, the Obama administration couldn't build a functioning web site.

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          • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


            What you are ignoring is the proper working of a capitalist society. Costs only go up as much as demand will pay. Unfortunately, we don't have a capitalist society. We have a society where socialists take money from one group and give it to another so everyone can be equal. When I was young, there was no wide spread medical insurance and everyone paid for their own treatment. The costs were kept down because they could only get what people were able to pay. Once insurance became widespread, costs and usage went up because "someone else was paying the bill." Today, government has made the situation even worse with the "someone else is paying the bill" syndrome.
            When you were a kid, no one was getting heart transplants, treating high cholesterol or other serious conditions with advanced drugs, or getting other high-cost treatment.

            We have reached the end of paying for every high-tech medical wonder, made available to every citizen. It was a utopian goal anyway. The gov't. subsidizing this goal did advance medicine, and did make more high tech available to more people in a shortened period of time. But it is coming to an end. Now that an affordable, decent life span is available to almost everyone, we can place medicine back in the capitalist (or "regulated mixed market") frame that you favor so much. That means that cutting edge, wallet busting treatment is tested on the wealthy first, made available to the less wealthy if or when costs come down. Gov't. can scale back subsidies to Big Pharma (via use of university medical school laboratories, for instance) as well as other for-profit medical providers. Real costs will spike most for the wealthy, but it's a sacrifice we need to make.

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            • Originally posted by radcentr View Post


              There it is, sounds like I agree with you 100%. Make that 200%, because that disaster scenario "works" regardless of whether the high rates are imposed by the socialist or capitalist sector of the economy. What will be more common is the patient and doctor negotiating treatment that the patient can actually afford. That will happen whether it is all private or all socialist, because health care costs are going up at a double-digit inflation rate for several years, while real median income remains stagnant.

              This is not true. Providers are not allowed to negotiate the cost of medical care with the patient, when a patient is covered by contractual insurance and the provider participates in the plan. You may be shocked to know that if a provider does not collect the co-pay or waives a patients deductible, they can be fined and/or lose the practices Incorporated license. It sounds outrageous and it enrages me, however it is fact.

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              • You misunderstand the capitalist negotiation between doctor and patient. It works like this: Dr: "I recommend that you get this operation, then take this new medication". Patient: "I'm not sure my insurance covers that, Dr." Dr (sighs): "You're right, I forgot you are covered by LameAxe Insurance Co. We can keep you somewhat healthy if you take this generic medicine and you avoid eating XYZ from now on. I would definitely recommend you fill out patient directives and power of attorney within the next 10 years, however."

                See what I mean? You provided an example of socialist (legal) restrictions on medical care. I just provided an example of the capitalist restriction. Even if an employer self-insures (say they have a very large number of employees), they still must negotiate the level of care and restrictions to that care, along with the costs. Private or public, it all boils down to a contract for services, which will most likely be more rigid and less flexible when it comes to negotiating cost and level of care.

                In short, death panels always existed, always will. Capitalism or socialism, the restrictions will be there.

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                • If no one has yet seen this, here is a liberal at his best.

                  http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...ber_today.html

                  This is an example of how arrogant liberals are. These bottom feeders think they 'know what's good for us' and were happy to keep us "fools" in the dark as they crafted their nasty little "law," Obamacare ... also known as the "affordable" care act. Which is a complete lie, it will NEVER be "affordable."

                  Mr. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, grubby Gruber .. it really IS our fault that we gave these kinds of people the power to do evil to us - so don't blame them !

                  Have we learned anything yet Americans ?

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                  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                    If no one has yet seen this, here is a liberal at his best.

                    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...ber_today.html

                    This is an example of how arrogant liberals are. These bottom feeders think they 'know what's good for us' and were happy to keep us "fools" in the dark as they crafted their nasty little "law," Obamacare ... also known as the "affordable" care act. Which is a complete lie, it will NEVER be "affordable."

                    Mr. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, grubby Gruber .. it really IS our fault that we gave these kinds of people the power to do evil to us - so don't blame them !

                    Have we learned anything yet Americans ?
                    Unbelievable, that the Democrats thought that this guy was the right guy to create the ObamaCare architecture.
                    Everyone should take the time to watch this. The epitome of unjustified liberal arrogance.

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                    • Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                      Unbelievable, that the Democrats thought that this guy was the right guy to create the ObamaCare architecture.
                      Everyone should take the time to watch this. The epitome of unjustified liberal arrogance.
                      Yes, everyone should see it.

                      How this crack-brained 'law' can survive ITSELF, much less the fools that shoved it down Americas throat, is beyond me. I don't see how it possibly can.

                      Not in a democratic republic with the Constitution that America currently HAS.

                      Unless of course ...

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                      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                        Yes, everyone should see it.

                        How this crack-brained 'law' can survive ITSELF, much less the fools that shoved it down Americas throat, is beyond me. I don't see how it possibly can.

                        Not in a democratic republic with the Constitution that America currently HAS.

                        Unless of course ...
                        I agree. There's a number of courses forward, only one of which leads to the left's desired single payer system. The others lead to ObamaCare patches and fixes, which may very well be worse as it's already known to be based on a seriously flawed base, or it's the Republican's turn at crafting and drafting healthcare legislation. Going back to where we were before, I'm not sure that's a viable option, as ObamaCare has utterly destroyed the system that was before. Of course, ObamaCare is just paper and legislation, isn't it?

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                        • Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post

                          I agree. There's a number of courses forward, only one of which leads to the left's desired single payer system. The others lead to ObamaCare patches and fixes, which may very well be worse as it's already known to be based on a seriously flawed base, or it's the Republican's turn at crafting and drafting healthcare legislation. Going back to where we were before, I'm not sure that's a viable option, as ObamaCare has utterly destroyed the system that was before. Of course, ObamaCare is just paper and legislation, isn't it?
                          As Americanas are being distracted by the non-issue of "torturing terrorists,"....

                          "It's sort of a classic example which you see too often in Washington where a group of politicians get together and sort of throw the professionals under the bus," he said.

                          "What happened here was that we asked the agency to go take steps and put in place programs that were designed to catch the bastards who killed 3,000 of us on 9/11 and to make sure it didn't happen again. And that's exactly what they did. And they deserve a lot of credit, not the kind of condemnation that they're receiving from the Senate Democrats."



                          http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/admi.../10/id/612342/


                          they are missing the most important issue.


                          The creation of obamacare and how it was built on lies from the ground up .. by a few people with an arrogant, disdainful attitude toward the dumb "common man" (that's US) of America.


                          The article below is a resource for everyone interested in freedom to use and understand.


                          ................


                          Americans are duty-bound to know how they're being represented. Voting as a "one and done" proposition is how republics get destroyed; it's how unelected academics like Jonathan Gruber, with regulatory power they should never have been given, wind up in the congressional hot seat in the first place. Americans of all stripes should be cognizant of hearings like this – and cognizant continuously of the substance of those they send to Congress.


                          Gruber and Tavenner both should have come apart from cognitive dissonance on Tuesday. That they kept straight faces is no surprise. But hopefully the American people watching them did notice how little what they said squared with their own words – both in prior years and in the very same hearing – let alone with reality. Mammoth, destructive, morally bankrupt Obamacare is the lie; here, before us and on video, are the liars.

                          Now what will we do?



                          http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...ber_gowdy.html
                          Last edited by Captain Trips; 12-10-2014, 08:30 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post

                            I agree. There's a number of courses forward, only one of which leads to the left's desired single payer system. The others lead to ObamaCare patches and fixes, which may very well be worse as it's already known to be based on a seriously flawed base, or it's the Republican's turn at crafting and drafting healthcare legislation. Going back to where we were before, I'm not sure that's a viable option, as ObamaCare has utterly destroyed the system that was before. Of course, ObamaCare is just paper and legislation, isn't it?
                            The system that was -before ACA- was well on it's way to destroying itself. Unless you believe employers and/or employees were able to afford the costs (moving upwards in double-digits some years, static cost no year within the last 20). We were supposed to afford those increases on static, real income -to put icing on that crap cake.

                            ACA, among all it's other defects, might also serve as a diversion to the inevitable collapse of middle class income, and the requirement to back up the medical sector thru other financial means. Mediocre medical care was inevitable in the old system, but it will be easily criticized as some new condition "created" by ACA.

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                            • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                              The system that was -before ACA- was well on it's way to destroying itself. Unless you believe employers and/or employees were able to afford the costs (moving upwards in double-digits some years, static cost no year within the last 20). We were supposed to afford those increases on static, real income -to put icing on that crap cake.

                              ACA, among all it's other defects, might also serve as a diversion to the inevitable collapse of middle class income, and the requirement to back up the medical sector thru other financial means. Mediocre medical care was inevitable in the old system, but it will be easily criticized as some new condition "created" by ACA.

                              So, now premiums are going up at double digit rates and we are paying higher taxes to cover those who leech off the system.

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                              • Here's a very good read from an American to nice folks like Mr. Gruber;

                                Calculate that you smarmy SOB.

                                ....


                                You see, the magnificent bureaucrats who slither to and from government cubicles every day have deemed that the former coverage isn’t up to Obama Care standards. Never mind that the boss liked it, the employees liked it – the doctors and pharmacies liked it – all of this is academic.

                                If you know what’s good for you Jonathon Gruber, you’ll stay the hell away from me. Why? Because you have done the unpardonable in the eyes of any father – you have brought havoc unto the finances of my youngest daughter – and her newlywed husband.



                                http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...dr_gruber.html


                                This "obamacare" foolishness must be ended.

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