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  • #76
    Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

    Originally posted by Good1 View Post
    HOLD THE PRESSES!

    I just heard on the news this morning that healthcare.gov can NOW handle up to 50,000 new subscribers a day. FIFTY THOUSAND!!! that's more than twice what it was handling and, at this rate, we'll be all caught up by .... lessee, multiply ... carry the one .... borrow from the 3 ... uh June 14th (assuming only 10 million have to get through it).

    WOO HOO, what a HUGE win for the "big guns" Obama brought in to fix this mess... but definitely LONG enough for this SNAFU to continue that we'll hear it in the campaigns.



    I love it when a liberal's plan falls apart.

    The administration has come up with a new strategy to address web site shortcomings. Theyre telling SEIU, Enroll America, and other allies to keep encouraging people to sign up, but not too quickly;


    White House officials, fearful that the federal health care website may again be overwhelmed this weekend, have urged their allies to hold back enrollment efforts so the insurance marketplace does not collapse under a crush of new users.

    At the same time, administration officials said Tuesday that they had decided not to inaugurate a big health care marketing campaign planned for December out of concern that it might drive too many people to the still-fragile HealthCare.gov.

    With a self-imposed deadline for repairs to the website approaching on Saturday, the administration is trying to strike a delicate balance. It is encouraging people to go or return to the website but does not want to create too much demand. It boasts that the website is vastly improved, but does not want to raise expectations that it will work for everyone.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/27/us...+HIT62rEQ&_r=0

    This may give the illusion that theyre fixing the problems, but itll slow down enrollments even more; especially for the healthy they need to get in the program to defray the costs. The people who need to sign up for health care benefits immediately are the sick, the people who can take the administrations new advice and hold off for a while are the healthy people who dont really need the coverage (at least not any time in the foreseeable future).

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    • #77
      Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

      Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
      He not only strikes fear into the hearts of Washington's smug set, but EVERY Democrat Obamalander and defender on the face of the earth.

      I do not support most of what Cruz stands for, but what I see is pure danger for an administration in free fall with nothing but a tarnished record of lies, half truths and outright propaganda; he has integrity. Despite the onslaught from the socialist hordes, their attempt to Palin him [a verb, to demonize cruelly and unfairly] was swift, predictable, ugly and a failure.

      Speaking of which where are the libs? Even PF is suddenly quiet.

      What Amerikan Socialists don't get is that Obama is now arguing FOR the very things Cruz filibustered for, beginning with a delay. Based on that, the fact hge and the right have been right and accurate about everything since the beginning is a perfect storm if not the nail in the coffin for Democratic hopes in 2014.

      ObamaCare, by the president's own actions, his own statements, his decision to make it HIS "signature" means there is ONLY ONE issue, ObamaCare itself. And on that file there is only one guy, just him who has stuck to his guns despite the ballistic barrage of bullshit the mainstream media, the White House and their paid apologists on line have hurled at him in hate.

      FFS, a mainstream commentator suggested they play "Mexican music" when he talks, he's not even Mexican, not even freaking Cuban, but Canadian and no you've pissed me off - we hate being mistaken for Cubans, hockey players will NEVER dance like that!] Imagine if someone were to suggest playing African tribal music when Obama enters the room? [Michelle may have been first on that. She's ashamed of America remember]

      No, Cruz is what the American people are looking for, someone honest, with integrity. And I suspect after "if you like your plan, you can keep it" a significant segment of the population are going to be more than willing to listen to him, support his main cause in mid terms.

      Obama and all his brainy PR experts are shaking in their boots.

      What's really scary? Obama is going back to the people who created his mess, the people who thought up "if you like your plan.." to get him out of that. Sort of like trying to put out a smoldering rag with gasoline I suspect. They had no problem lying in the first place and neither did he, they aren't likely to change now.

      Someone posted that all the Republicans need to do is place ads. They are right. And the Republicans that attack Obamacare with as much fervor as Cruz will succeed
      A very nice summary and quite accurate I think.

      Now, you can listen to Pelosi, who believes that Democrats will be able to run on ObamaCare and win.
      And you can listen to other's died in the wool ObamaZombies who'll deny that ObamaCare is a lemon and has failed. They keep say "It'll be just great!"
      You can listen to the repudiated president, 'It's a good product at a good price, and people are buying it'.

      But that's what the delusionals are saying. It's not reality. They are going to be in for a really rude awakening when the realization hits them.

      Does anyone else suspect that whatever the ending result of all this is going to be is going to end up costing the people more? I mean on a spectrum:
      Previous State ============ Projected Ending State ============ ObamaCare
      (Less cost) ============================================ (greatest cost)

      Or do people actually think that the previous system and previous costs to the consumer are going to return? 'Cause I really don't. I think they'll be higher.

      So even if ObamaCare failed, which it currently on track to do so, the end consumers will still end up paying more.

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      • #78
        Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

        Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
        The administration has come up with a new strategy to address web site shortcomings. They’re telling SEIU, Enroll America, and other allies to keep encouraging people to sign up, but not too quickly;


        http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/27/us...+HIT62rEQ&_r=0

        This may give the illusion that they’re fixing the problems, but it’ll slow down enrollments even more; especially for the healthy they need to get in the program to defray the costs. The people who need to sign up for health care benefits immediately are the sick, the people who can take the administration’s new advice and hold off for a while are the healthy people who don’t really need the coverage (at least not any time in the foreseeable future).
        What it tells me is that the White House is pretty sure the site is as stable as salt in your sink on a rainy day with a leaky roof.

        It's a PR scam, from the boys who brought you fake feinting women , designed to make you think that 1) there is actual interest in buying the shit and 2 ) people actually can.

        I mean how does that jibe with Obama calling on "allies" to use Thanksgiving to convince their loved ones to sign up for Obamacare?

        It's time to stop believing anything these folks are saying when they are awake.

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        • #79
          Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
          A very nice summary and quite accurate I think.

          Now, you can listen to Pelosi, who believes that Democrats will be able to run on ObamaCare and win.
          And you can listen to other's died in the wool ObamaZombies who'll deny that ObamaCare is a lemon and has failed. They keep say "It'll be just great!"
          You can listen to the repudiated president, 'It's a good product at a good price, and people are buying it'.

          But that's what the delusionals are saying. It's not reality. They are going to be in for a really rude awakening when the realization hits them.

          Does anyone else suspect that whatever the ending result of all this is going to be is going to end up costing the people more? I mean on a spectrum:
          Previous State ============ Projected Ending State ============ ObamaCare
          (Less cost) ============================================ (greatest cost)

          Or do people actually think that the previous system and previous costs to the consumer are going to return? 'Cause I really don't. I think they'll be higher.

          So even if ObamaCare failed, which it currently on track to do so, the end consumers will still end up paying more.
          That is more than evident by the wriggling and wrangling over a "fix", which is not a fix at all, but a delay until after the mid terms.

          Look, if the cancellations are just a wrinkle that will pass and everyone will vote Obama again, then why are they running scared? The socialist hordes behind Pelosi are done fooling all of the people some of the time, they managed to fool a bare bones majority in the last outing against a self defeating opponent, and have lost ground in congress at every outing.....WITHOUT a real issue. Nothing until now has stuck to this guy.

          Until ObamaCare, his signature that will disenfranchise from coverage more people than are needed to swing the congress right into Republican hands.

          The Dems have been hailing false victories for too long, West Virginia was a squeaker with a ballot splitting third party candidate against an incumbent in a poor purple state against some of the ugliest vote buying on record. So long as they claim that was a "landslide", claims that ObamaCare will be a reason to vote for Obama for people who did not last time is pure comedy.

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          • #80
            Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

            Another illegal change in Obacare

            White House Delays Yet Another Obamacare Deadline Until After 2014 Midterm Elections

            White House Delays Yet Another Obamacare Deadline Until After 2014 Midterm Elections | TheBlaze.com

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            • #81
              Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

              How convenient.

              Shouldn't somebody start impeachment hearings for assuming extra constitutional power or should they wait for election season to make the Democrats squirm?

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              • #82
                Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                Another illegal change in Obacare

                White House Delays Yet Another Obamacare Deadline Until After 2014 Midterm Elections

                White House Delays Yet Another Obamacare Deadline Until After 2014 Midterm Elections | TheBlaze.com
                Originally posted by Texan View Post
                How convenient.
                How typical. The political ramifications are clear, the reasons for the delays are obvious. Obama has no choice but to do this else cause a landslide in 2014 for Republicans.

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                • #83
                  Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

                  Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
                  He not only strikes fear into the hearts of Washington's smug set, but EVERY Democrat Obamalander and defender on the face of the earth.

                  I do not support most of what Cruz stands for, but what I see is pure danger for an administration in free fall with nothing but a tarnished record of lies, half truths and outright propaganda; he has integrity. Despite the onslaught from the socialist hordes, their attempt to Palin him [a verb, to demonize cruelly and unfairly] was swift, predictable, ugly and a failure.

                  Speaking of which where are the libs? Even PF is suddenly quiet.

                  What Amerikan Socialists don't get is that Obama is now arguing FOR the very things Cruz filibustered for, beginning with a delay. Based on that, the fact hge and the right have been right and accurate about everything since the beginning is a perfect storm if not the nail in the coffin for Democratic hopes in 2014.

                  ObamaCare, by the president's own actions, his own statements, his decision to make it HIS "signature" means there is ONLY ONE issue, ObamaCare itself. And on that file there is only one guy, just him who has stuck to his guns despite the ballistic barrage of bullshit the mainstream media, the White House and their paid apologists on line have hurled at him in hate.

                  FFS, a mainstream commentator suggested they play "Mexican music" when he talks, he's not even Mexican, not even freaking Cuban, but Canadian and no you've pissed me off - we hate being mistaken for Cubans, hockey players will NEVER dance like that!] Imagine if someone were to suggest playing African tribal music when Obama enters the room? [Michelle may have been first on that. She's ashamed of America remember]

                  No, Cruz is what the American people are looking for, someone honest, with integrity. And I suspect after "if you like your plan, you can keep it" a significant segment of the population are going to be more than willing to listen to him, support his main cause in mid terms.

                  Obama and all his brainy PR experts are shaking in their boots.

                  What's really scary? Obama is going back to the people who created his mess, the people who thought up "if you like your plan.." to get him out of that. Sort of like trying to put out a smoldering rag with gasoline I suspect. They had no problem lying in the first place and neither did he, they aren't likely to change now.

                  Someone posted that all the Republicans need to do is place ads. They are right. And the Republicans that attack Obamacare with as much fervor as Cruz will succeed
                  I have deep respect for someone who can admit that they do not support something an orator stands for, but yet admit in the instance sighted they speak the truth.

                  While politics certainly do change on a dime, I contend that when someone PERSONALLY picks your pocket, and the money is taken out quickly along with you being put in that position is facilitated by lies; almost every victim tends to remember. When you have a group of people in collusion with a name that constantly repeated that lie, (democrats) you tend to paint the whole group with a very wide brush.

                  In most instances, I agree with pundits who say that "people are more likely to vote for something, as opposed to against something," unless that "against" something is robbery perpetrated on them, and they feel the pain in their wallet, while the somebody they trusted told them to take the deal cause it won't hurt. People do not forget these things cause it is money, and it appears lots of it.

                  Obama may be able to wiggle out of it because of his likability factor from before, but his cronies in congress who said verbatim what he did without his charisma; not gonna happen. If Las Vegas gives good odds on Democrats in races in purple states........and you want to get rich quick.......take the bet. Look at it this way--------->if these incompetent boobs can win with this, within a few years, your money is going to be useless anyway; so it is not as big of a chance as you think as far as the bottom line, lol.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

                    Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                    How typical. The political ramifications are clear, the reasons for the delays are obvious. Obama has no choice but to do this else cause a landslide in 2014 for Republicans.
                    Yes, but Obama and his henchmen continue to get the math wrong. When the enrollment starts, the cancellations letters go out before hand. Again, right before the elections.

                    Now if they really wanted to do this correctly, the enrollment would start in January, that way the letters wouldn't go out until after the election.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

                      Originally posted by Texan View Post
                      How convenient.

                      Shouldn't somebody start impeachment hearings for assuming extra constitutional power or should they wait for election season to make the Democrats squirm?
                      Actually that would make the Democrats happy. ANYTHING to get the attention of people off how screwed they are around their health insurance costs.

                      Frankly I think that's why the Iranian deal is a "6 month" thing. Then they'll be able to manufacture a crisis there for the media to obsess over for right around election time, and how we need "strong leadership, and people in congress who support it".

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                      • #86
                        Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

                        Originally posted by Texan View Post
                        How convenient.

                        Shouldn't somebody start impeachment hearings for assuming extra constitutional power or should they wait for election season to make the Democrats squirm?
                        Worst thng you could do.

                        Look, the idea off impeachment died with the Clintons. It, like so much in the US anymore, became a pure partisan thing; Clinton clearly lied under oath, a high crime and misdemeanor.

                        The way to take this on is for the opponents of ObamaCare, the people adversely affected to band together. Then the Republican party needs to run to the front of that parade and take over the lead. Win the Senate and House in the mid terms.

                        Take it from there and use the last two years of his administration to destroy the Democrat party image in the same way the Democrats undermined Bush and turned him into satan incarnate

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                        • #87
                          Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

                          Officials say they're 'on track' to meet deadline for ObamaCare fixes | Fox News

                          Seriously, does anyone believe anything that this administration says anymore?

                          This new deadline of their for a fixed web site is measured against 80% rather than something a little bit more demanding, and, last that I heard, small businesses have to go the paperwork route, i.e. not available for them on the web site.

                          Given the already excessive price the government was foolish enough to pay for this web site, in a no-bid contract no less to Obama insiders no less (where's all the Haliburton similar outrage in the press??), I hope that the company isn't charging for the fixing, but I figure that they are, seeing as the contractor are Obama insiders.

                          Isn't that like the very definition of corruption? Crony capitalism? All the things that Obama says were wrong with DC, and he's doing them in spades. Geez. What a tool.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

                            Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                            Officials say they're 'on track' to meet deadline for ObamaCare fixes | Fox News

                            Seriously, does anyone believe anything that this administration says anymore?

                            This new deadline of their for a fixed web site is measured against 80% rather than something a little bit more demanding, and, last that I heard, small businesses have to go the paperwork route, i.e. not available for them on the web site.

                            Given the already excessive price the government was foolish enough to pay for this web site, in a no-bid contract no less to Obama insiders no less (where's all the Haliburton similar outrage in the press??), I hope that the company isn't charging for the fixing, but I figure that they are, seeing as the contractor are Obama insiders.

                            Isn't that like the very definition of corruption? Crony capitalism? All the things that Obama says were wrong with DC, and he's doing them in spades. Geez. What a tool.


                            Well, this has been the strategy of the Obama White House for five years. Keep claiming the opposite of what is true in good old fashioned Animal Farm, Orwellian "War is Peace" tradition.

                            Look, the best people in the world took one look at this mess and said it was beyond repair, would never do what it was supposed to and the best that could happen was to get it limping along at 25 to 40%.
                            Obama said, we will have it running by the end of November. So, here we are with retreads where the wheels came off, a squirrel cage where there was a motor before and, staring 25% to 40% effectiveness in the face are now saying "It's working!"

                            Meanwhile he is in typical mid-west bohunk fashion using presidential Thanksgiving messages to beg for sign ups.

                            Americans have chosen to dismiss the "old news" of "it was a spontaneous demonstration" and the claim "I said all along it was a spontaneous demonstration"; but it was a watershed moment; it revealed the true depth of this administrations deceit.

                            He was elected on lies, re-elected on lies, and will live on lies through to the end.

                            Trust me, when they have 10% sign ups, it will be some variation of "we have work to do, but we are far better off than we were before....fewer people are suffering"....oh, how he and his lemming followers love that word.

                            Incompetents supporting disaster and calling it success.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

                              The most amusing thing about all this is that the Tea Party shut down the government to give him a chance to avoid this debacle. Had he taken the one year delay, at least the website might have worked when it finally did role out.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Demise of the ACA Greatly Exaggerated

                                Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                                The most amusing thing about all this is that the Tea Party shut down the government to give him a chance to avoid this debacle. Had he taken the one year delay, at least the website might have worked when it finally did role out.
                                Commodore; if you can discount the pain the American public is going through, what you stated is the most satisfying part of this debacle.

                                Consider........Obama screwed the American people. That is awful. The democratic party helped Obama screw the American people. That is awful too. But in the process, Obama and the democratic party also screwed themselves. Now that is PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!

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