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The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

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  • The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

    Looks like we have some results to discuss. Healthcare.gov seeing errors in 10% of data transfers. Combine that with low enrollment and it appears we all get to pay a little more for the "Affordable" Care Act. It is now being warned by prior supporters the results *could* mean pain for us all.

    Thanks guys!

    Obamacare is in danger of being hit by a "perfect storm" of low enrollment and bad data being sent to insurers, experts are warning as a crucial deadline looms this month for the massive insurance sign-up effort.

    And if that storm strikes, they said, consumers likely will face higher premium prices in 2015, insurers will face possible losses from Obamacare policies, and hospitals and other providers could face increased costs.

    "I try to be an optimist, it's just harder each day," said Christine Vogel, associate director in Navigant's health-care practice, and a former special advisor for health-care reform to Connecticut's governor. She said she expects the cumulative effect will eventually hurt people providing and receiving care.

    "We all knew that it was going to impact the insurance industry, and now it's going to impact the provider and the consumer," she said. "It's difficult for me not to think that perfect storm that we've all been trying to avoid, and not plan for, may be approaching."

    Since open enrollment for Obamacare insurance began in October, an estimated 330,000 people nationally have applied for eligibility and selected an insurance plan being sold through the federally run HealthCare.gov site or the 15 other health exchanges being run by individual states and the District of Columbia.

    That is only about 25 percent of the 1.2 million people federal officials originally estimated would have signed up in the first two months of enrollment. People have until Dec. 23 to enroll in Obamacare coverage to have it kick in by Jan. 1.
    Fear of Obamacare 'perfect storm': Low enrollments, bad data

    The federal Obamacare marketplace has errors in its electronic enrollment data that are estimated at 10 percent of current transactions, and were even higher earlier, officials disclosed Friday.

    Officials said Healthcare.gov, in its first two months of operation, experienced an estimated 25 percent error rate in enrollment transmissions to insurers who sell policies on that health exchange.

    Federal officials now are engaged in painstaking efforts with insurers to check transmitted enrollments, and fix any errors, they said. Consumers who have questions about whether they actually are enrolled in Obamacare insurance should directly contact their carrier, officials said.

    The errors are occurring in so-called 834 file transmissions, the forms that insurers rely on when they issue coverage to consumers. The errors in individual enrollments need to be fixed for people to be issued that coverage.
    Healthcare.gov currently seeing errors in 10% of data transfers

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    Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

    I seriously doubt that we will ever get verifiable numbers on this mess.

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      Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

      That's just enrollment. Just wait until people try to actually use it after they get enrolled. Which doctors will accept 0bamacare and how will the doctors' time be rationed among the limited network of doctors? How will everyone find a new doctor? How will the care be rationed? How many identities will be stolen by navigators?

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        Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

        No doubt that Obama has flown a proverbial airliner into our health care skyscraper.

        The important thing is what to run on in 2016 to fix it.

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          Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

          Here's a good one. Congressional staffers are complaining that they are being diverted to "lost password" pages and asked for bank account info and PIN numbers. This thing needs to be repealed yesterday.

          ObamaCare exchange errors, &#39;scam&#39; frustrate congressional staffers | Fox News

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          • #6
            Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

            The other problem is .. even if people successfully enroll, it has absolutely no meaning until the premium is paid. I think we are going to see a lot of people who are surprised that their coverage is not effective because they were too ignorant to pay for it or could not afford to pay for it.

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              "And I will also note that there are 150,000 million different families that get their health care through their employees," Reid said. "So should all federal employees, although under Obamacare, my insurance costs me about $4,500 more that it did before. Yes, because it is age-related and it wasn’t like that before.”
              http://www.rgj.com/article/20131206/...nclick_check=1

              Guess his didn't go down $1600 a year.

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                Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

                Originally posted by jotathought View Post
                The other problem is .. even if people successfully enroll, it has absolutely no meaning until the premium is paid. I think we are going to see a lot of people who are surprised that their coverage is not effective because they were too ignorant to pay for it or could not afford to pay for it.
                You mean its not like an Obama phone?

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                  Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

                  Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                  http://www.rgj.com/article/20131206/...nclick_check=1

                  Guess his didn't go down $1600 a year.

                  150,000 million?!? 150 billion different families that get their health care through their employees?!? I find that a bit hard implausible, seeing as the world population is only 6 1/2 billion.

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                    Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

                    Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
                    150,000 million?!? 150 billion different families that get their health care through their employees?!? I find that a bit hard implausible, seeing as the world population is only 6 1/2 billion.
                    Yeah, and the article also said they get their insurance from their employees, not their employers. Could be the author of the article was not the best and brightest.

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                      Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

                      age related? you would think the old fart would get a clue......

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                        Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

                        Depends on your definition of success:

                        Obama:'100 Million Americans Have Gained The Right for Free...Contraception'

                        Obama:'100 Million Americans Have Gained The Right for Free...Contraception' | CNS News

                        It has become acceptable in this country today to say something is free if someone else pays for it.

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                          Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

                          Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                          I seriously doubt that we will ever get verifiable numbers on this mess.
                          But isn't this the typical liberal / progressive / Democrat modus operandi? Naa, I think this particular affliction also infests Republicans but to ta lesser extent perhaps.

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                            Re: The numbers are out! ... ACA still sucks, so much for success.

                            Obamacare Costing Missouri Schools $150,000 In Fines

                            The Missouri district faces the possibility that they will have to limit substitute teachers to just 28 hours a week, or face paying $6,000 per person for health benefits for at least 25 individuals who are on the rolls and could qualify.

                            Should the district fail to comply with the federal law, they district will be fined millions of dollars by the federal government.

                            The $150,000 cost of fines is the equivalent of the district three teachers’ salaries.

                            Obamacare Costing Missouri Schools $150,000 In Fines | Washington Free Beacon

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