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A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

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  • A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

    Japan: The Land Without Muslims |

    Japan does not have a Muslim problem, then again Muslims cannot get citizenship and rarely get permanent residency either.

    The most interesting thing in Japan’s approach to Islam is the fact that the Japanese do not feel the need to apologize to Muslims for the negative way in which they relate to Islam. They make a clear distinction between their economic interest in resources of oil and gas from Muslim countries, which behooves Japan to maintain good relations with these countries on the one hand, and on the other hand, the Japanese nationalist viewpoints, which see Islam as something that is suitable for others, not for Japan, and therefore the Muslims must remain outside.
    Interesting, not having to apologize for not liking someones religion.

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    Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

    Don't think that Japan has much of any sort of immigration going on. Historically they are a very closed society not really welcoming non-natives, at least that's my understanding. I think it comes from their relative isolation for so many centuries, until the Western sailors and traders sailed into their harbor.

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      Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

      Sounds like their "solutions" to the "problem" are simply to legalize religious discrimination and limit freedom of speech and association.

      Originally posted by Article from the OP
      Japan forbids exhorting people to adopt the religion of Islam (Dawah), and any Muslim who actively encourages conversion to Islam is seen as proselytizing to a foreign and undesirable culture. Few academic institutions teach the Arabic language. It is very difficult to import books of the Qur’an to Japan, and Muslims who come to Japan, are usually employees of foreign companies. In Japan there are very few mosques. The official policy of the Japanese authorities is to make every effort not to allow entry to Muslims, even if they are physicians, engineers and managers sent by foreign companies that are active in the region. Japanese society expects Muslim men to pray at home.

      Japanese companies seeking foreign workers specifically note that they are not interested in Muslim workers. And any Muslim who does manage to enter Japan will find it very difficult to rent an apartment. Anywhere a Muslim lives, the neighbors become uneasy. Japan forbids the establishment of Islamic organizations, so setting up Islamic institutions such as mosques and schools is almost impossible. In Tokyo there is only one imam.

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        Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

        Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
        Japan: The Land Without Muslims |

        Japan does not have a Muslim problem, then again Muslims cannot get citizenship and rarely get permanent residency either.



        Interesting, not having to apologize for not liking someones religion.
        Fake Horseshit Mostly...

        Usual Anti Muslim propaganda....

        BNI response to the viral email re: ‘Islam and Japan’ | BARE NAKED ISLAM

        Saying that christians have killed far more in foreign lands than Muslims..

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          Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

          I bet Sweden wishes they had implemented this policy.

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            Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

            I bet London wishes they implemented this policy
            Drummer Lee Rigby Identified As Killed Soldier In London Attack

            I bet France wishes they implemented this policy.
            French Soldier Stabbed In The Neck In Paris, Police Seeking Man Of North African Origin

            The foolish liberal multicultural experiment seems to have failed.
            BBC News - State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron

            We shouldn't be as foolish and follow down the same primrose path. Cultural assimilation, i.e. common values, is required for peace in heavily immigrant populated areas such as London and others.

            The intolerance exhibited by Islamic extremists should not be tolerated. violence in the name of religion IS in fact the devil's workshop.

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              Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

              Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
              Fake Horseshit Mostly...

              Usual Anti Muslim propaganda....

              BNI response to the viral email re: ‘Islam and Japan’ | BARE NAKED ISLAM

              Saying that christians have killed far more in foreign lands than Muslims..
              Well that is all god and fine for whatever e-mail you are talking about. The OP was linked to an article in the World Press. Many of the statements in your blog were actually distortions of comments in the article I posted so what value does your blog about a distorted e-mail have to do with the actual news article?

              Not sure what you are getting at in your last line except to maybe take a poke at Christianity. Since there are not enough documents detailing exactly how many have been killed in the name of Christianity it would be hard to actually prove that statement beyond a doubt.

              As for anti-muslim propaganda, not really. I was just presenting a country that has almost no issues with muslims.

              As a matter of historic fact, the Crusades were in response to muslim aggression.

              The Real History of the Crusades

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                Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                I was not aware that Japan allowed any immigration or naturalized citizenship.

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                  Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                  Apples and Oranges my USPOL friends.

                  Japan may have freedom of religion but what is realized over there is more freedom from religion. Google "religion in Japan" and most sources will say the overwhelming majority of the nation does not bother to recognize their birth certificate listed allegiance. It may say Shinto or Buddhist on the forms, but not all that much followed. Culturally, monotheism is pretty much dismissed for concepts of self spirituality and societal cohesiveness. Islam may be singled out in Japan, and I would argue that is exclusively because of the problems that religion can cause. *But*, culturally those that actively follow Judaism are just as much looked down upon as those that follow Islam. Christianity seems to get a pass based upon dubious reasons from the OP source. Other sources say they are as culturally isolated as the other monotheistic religions.

                  Religion as a cultural implication is just not the same in Japan, Apples to Oranges comparison if a Christian nation tried to adopt Japan's thinking with Islam type restrictions. Look at it this way, the term Gaijin is not some hollywood made up word. The ideology of dealing with outsiders living in Japan is very alive and well. Or, a modern day form of discrimination that is damn near nation legislated. How societal control is obtained is wildly different than a primarily monotheistic religious populated nation. Everyone should go visit Japan at least once in their lives, culturally it is amazing. Very much a national pride based group of people who have been through their fair share of being conquered, or at least losing a war or two. The concept of individualism is not near strong there. Visitors are very well accepted so long as you respect their culture while there. On the other hand people there long term looking to influence culture (even by accident) are looked at like African Americans were here in the US 60 or so years back. When it comes to immigration they are very strict, there has to be a benefit to live there for any significant time.

                  Simply put, Japan does not have a Muslim problem because they do not have all that much a religion problem of any kind.

                  Second, most Japanese have no religion, but behaviors connected with the Shinto religion along with elements of Buddhism are integrated into national customs . In Japan, religion is connected to the nationalist concept, and prejudices exist towards foreigners whether they are Chinese, Korean, Malaysian or Indonesian, and Westerners don’t escape this phenomenon either. There are those who call this a “developed sense of nationalism” and there are those who call this “racism”. It seems that neither of these is wrong.

                  And Third, the Japanese dismiss the concept of monotheism and faith in an abstract god, because their world concept is apparently connected to the material, not to faith and emotions. It seems that they group Judaism together with Islam. Christianity exists in Japan and is not regarded negatively, apparently because the image of Jesus perceived in Japan is like the images of Buddha and Shinto.
                  From the OP link.

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                    Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                    ......

                    As a matter of historic fact, the Crusades were in response to muslim aggression.

                    The Real History of the Crusades
                    A Catholic Church affiliated web site preaching revisionist history.


                    That is akin to believing that the current small minority of extreme fundamentalist Muslims who are practicing jihad against the west are doing so in response to western aggression. I am sure I could find a web site saying that.

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                      Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                      Originally posted by RDK View Post
                      A Catholic Church affiliated web site preaching revisionist history.


                      That is akin to believing that the current small minority of extreme fundamentalist Muslims who are practicing jihad against the west are doing so in response to western aggression. I am sure I could find a web site saying that.
                      It is memorial day, I did a quick search and didn't bother to go much deeper. But as usual, rather than deal with the actual substance you deride the source. No problem, I am used to that from most of the liberals here. You cannot refute it so you claim the source lacks something.

                      BTW do some math, .1% of 1 billion is what? Still a LOT of people that are extremists. Though I think there is more than 1 Billion practicing muslims.

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                        Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                        Originally posted by RDK View Post
                        That is akin to believing that the current small minority of extreme fundamentalist Muslims who are practicing jihad against the west are doing so in response to western aggression. I am sure I could find a web site saying that.
                        Yes, they actually do say that... along with they are avenging the loss of Muslim lands of among other places Spain.

                        You've seen it first hand, or at least a lot closer than many of us have... how do you stop a guy willing to kill himself for his faith, while also willing to take many (dozens, hundreds, thousands) with him? Even willing to kill those that are there helping his people (building roads, treating the sick, etc, etc)

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                          Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                          Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                          .....

                          You've seen it first hand, or at least a lot closer than many of us have... how do you stop a guy willing to kill himself for his faith, while also willing to take many (dozens, hundreds, thousands) with him? Even willing to kill those that are there helping his people (building roads, treating the sick, etc, etc)
                          You stop him by taking away the incentive for him to do that.

                          If he is the rare true ideological suicide bomber there is not much you can do about that but the true extremist ideologues are the ones sending the bombers in.

                          Education, providing economic hope and a country ruled by laws not tribal warlords will go a long way to helping to stop the bombers. Many are paid to do it, the sales pitch goes like this: "Wear the vest, blow up the infidels and your family will be taken care of , they will not want for anything. Refuse and we will kill them slowly before your eyes then kill you." Kinda hard to refuse an offer like that.

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                            Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                            Originally posted by RDK View Post
                            You stop him by taking away the incentive for him to do that.

                            If he is the rare true ideological suicide bomber there is not much you can do about that but the true extremist ideologues are the ones sending the bombers in.

                            Education, providing economic hope and a country ruled by laws not tribal warlords will go a long way to helping to stop the bombers. Many are paid to do it, the sales pitch goes like this: "Wear the vest, blow up the infidels and your family will be taken care of , they will not want for anything. Refuse and we will kill them slowly before your eyes then kill you." Kinda hard to refuse an offer like that.
                            Not amazing at all that a little education and economic stability can go much further for a society than ideology that just ends up breeding division.

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                              Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                              Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                              Not amazing at all that a little education and economic stability can go much further for a society than ideology that just ends up breeding division.
                              Education is associated with a decline in religious behaviousr.

                              A major reason why I support that organizations like USAID fund only two types of infrastructure, roads because they are basic to economic development and schools because they are needed for future development.

                              Other aid spending should be soft side stuff, rule of law etc that has a major impact for the amount spent compaired to infrastructure construction.

                              As far as water and power infrastructure, let them develop it themselves once they ave kicked started their economy a bit.

                              Needless to say this opinion did not make me popular in USAID infrastructure circles but was well received on the soft side development circles.

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