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A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

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  • #61
    Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

    Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
    It doesn't matter where it comes from, it PROVES that you don't need to be fluent in a language to understand basic traffic signs. But if you must know, the sign is from Puerto Rico, which while technically part of the US functions primarily in Spanish. But I guess in your world that means they could never be part of the American culture.
    Yet you don't accept Old Man Dan at his word. The reason I pointed this out in the other thread is because you are a hypocrite.

    And NO 20 years ago I would only understand that standard design as ASSUMING it to mean speed limit and I would not have understood the spanish at all.

    How about if this was on the sign?

    die Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung

    vitesse limite

    όριο ταχύτητας

    One of my points is that Spanish is the ONLY language other than some very specific locations that cater to arabic that is given legal status. There is NO guarantee that someone understands english simply because a sign has words on it. You are making a big assumption.

    Then again, even english speaking americans don't seem to care what is on traffic control signs.

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    • #62
      Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
      Yet you don't accept Old Man Dan at his word. The reason I pointed this out in the other thread is because you are a hypocrite.

      And NO 20 years ago I would only understand that standard design as ASSUMING it to mean speed limit and I would not have understood the spanish at all.

      How about if this was on the sign?

      die Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung

      vitesse limite

      όριο ταχύτητας

      One of my points is that Spanish is the ONLY language other than some very specific locations that cater to arabic that is given legal status. There is NO guarantee that someone understands english simply because a sign has words on it. You are making a big assumption.

      Then again, even english speaking americans don't seem to care what is on traffic control signs.
      Lads,

      I have driven in Germnay, France, Italy and Spain and understanding signs are simple... Driving on the other side road was lot more tricky...

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      • #63
        Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

        Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
        Lads,

        I have driven in Germnay, France, Italy and Spain and understanding signs are simple... Driving on the other side road was lot more tricky...
        There are countless signs.

        I know from talking to others that seeing the 3 lights at an intersection can confuse some. US is primarily Vertically run and Europe is primarily Horizontally run. Even with the same color scheme.

        Also there are MANY signs that use the same design for different messages. The Speed limit sign's shape is also used for ONE WAY, No Parking, Parking from X to X and several others. Yield as NOT always Yield, Construction signs use the same physical shape but have MANY different messages.

        Hell even some speed limit signs are used in School Zones and are labeled as such but if you cannot read english you would have no clue what the word school meant.

        BTW Considering Puerto Rico is NOT a State and is NOT required to follow pretty much most US Laws AND IS predominantly spanish speaking it is NOT surprising there are Spanish Language signs there. Now find a Spanish Speed limit sign in the 50 United States and then you may have a valid argument. What about the US Virgin Islands, aren't they also Spanish or French?

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        • #64
          Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

          Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
          One of my points is that Spanish is the ONLY language other than some very specific locations that cater to arabic that is given legal status.
          And once again, your point would be wrong. Spanish enjoys no more legal status in this country than Chinese, Tagalog, French, Vietnamese, German, Korean or any other language with a significant population of speakers. The only language which even comes close to being offically recognized at the same level as English is Louisiana's recognition of French Creole.

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          • #65
            Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

            Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
            Lads,

            I have driven in Germnay, France, Italy and Spain and understanding signs are simple... Driving on the other side road was lot more tricky...
            You realize that there is an international standard on uniform traffic control devices.

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            • #66
              Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

              Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
              And once again, your point would be wrong. Spanish enjoys no more legal status in this country than Chinese, Tagalog, French, Vietnamese, German, Korean or any other language with a significant population of speakers. The only language which even comes close to being offically recognized at the same level as English is Louisiana's recognition of French Creole.
              Really? you ever hear of bilingual education?

              The laws that require government paperwork to specifically be available in spanish?

              WOTC Forms, Employment & Training Administration (ETA) - U.S. Department of Labor

              Hrmmm only spanish here

              BTW as a business owner by law I am required to have the employment poster in English AND Spanish but not required to have it in any other language.

              Also I only linked one of 1000's of pages that have legal requirements to have spanish documents but do not require any other language other than english. At least until I check Dearborn MI laws and documents then Arabic is required as well as spanish.

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              • #67
                Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                Really? you ever hear of bilingual education?
                You really think bilingual education is only for those who speak Spanish?

                The laws that require government paperwork to specifically be available in spanish?

                WOTC Forms, Employment & Training Administration (ETA) - U.S. Department of Labor

                Hrmmm only spanish here

                BTW as a business owner by law I am required to have the employment poster in English AND Spanish but not required to have it in any other language.

                Also I only linked one of 1000's of pages that have legal requirements to have spanish documents but do not require any other language other than english. At least until I check Dearborn MI laws and documents then Arabic is required as well as spanish.
                Apparently you didn't look hard enough because I found the following Department of Labor web site that summarizes the various workplace poster requirements for small businesses, and the Fair Labor Standard Act is also provided in Chinese, Russian, Thai, Hmong, Vietnamese and Korean. When you read the laws requiring businesses to post these forms, you'll find the following verbiage:
                The Department of Labor shall make forms available in English, Spanish, and other languages, as necessary, which may be used in providing workers with information required under this section.
                Congratulations Wlessard, you've just proven that Spanish is the second most common language spoken in the United States. Now maybe you can explain how government accommodation of Spanish speakers is infringing on your right to speak English.

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                • #68
                  Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                  Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                  .......

                  Congratulations Wlessard, you've just proven that Spanish is the second most common language spoken in the United States. Now maybe you can explain how government accommodation of Spanish speakers is infringing on your right to speak English.
                  Most likely by the same illogical thought processes that allows the right to claim that gay marriages impacts their marriage, that allowing religions other than christanity impacts their religion, etc

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                  • #69
                    Re: A country without a Muslim Problem -- Japan

                    Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                    You really think bilingual education is only for those who speak Spanish?


                    Apparently you didn't look hard enough because I found the following Department of Labor web site that summarizes the various workplace poster requirements for small businesses, and the Fair Labor Standard Act is also provided in Chinese, Russian, Thai, Hmong, Vietnamese and Korean. When you read the laws requiring businesses to post these forms, you'll find the following verbiage:

                    Congratulations Wlessard, you've just proven that Spanish is the second most common language spoken in the United States. Now maybe you can explain how government accommodation of Spanish speakers is infringing on your right to speak English.
                    And you reading comprehension is lacking as well.

                    The Department of Labor shall make forms available in English, Spanish, and other languages, as necessary, which may be used in providing workers with information required under this section.
                    Your quote. The may be available but only Spanish is required. According the the paperwork I have from the State of Massachusetts I have to have the posters in Spanish as well as English.

                    As for Bilingual, look up the word... BI = 2. By definition it is 2 languages. If there was a legal requirement for other languages it would be MULTI-Lingual.

                    Go in a school and ask them if they teach in German and English, or Russian and English or name that language and English and they are going to tell you no. My sister is a teacher, for her current job they only cared if she could speak Spanish.

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