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    Illegal immigrant granted law license in California - Washington Times

    Here we go.

    An attorney licensed in Arizona can't practice in California (without a California license) but an illegal alien can.

    I have to ask, why do we even bother to have immigration laws if they're going to pull crap like this? Why not just tear down the terminals, get rid of CBP and put up a great big "WELCOME!!" sign at the border?

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    Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

    I was under the impression that a person cannot be granted a license to practice law unless they are "in good standing before the bar", in other words legal.

    When I heard this on Canada's CBC radio last night, that was the issue being discussed, not the fairness of amnesty, but the unfairness of demanding that legal citizen's pay every parking ticket, observe every law, but a guy who has stolen his way into the country can ignore such matters with impunity.

    And, I have to ask about taxes. If he never had a green card, how did he register with the IRS? If not, how come he doesn't owe back taxes for the 20 years he's been enjoying the benefits of US life.

    Once again, the American left reveals itself to be ideologically driven, the socialist concept of "the greater good" Justitia is denuded, her blindfold now one of embarrassment, the scales abandoned in the name of "progress", a titan shamed.

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    • #3
      Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

      Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
      I was under the impression that a person cannot be granted a license to practice law unless they are "in good standing before the bar", in other words legal.

      When I heard this on Canada's CBC radio last night, that was the issue being discussed, not the fairness of amnesty, but the unfairness of demanding that legal citizen's pay every parking ticket, observe every law, but a guy who has stolen his way into the country can ignore such matters with impunity.

      And, I have to ask about taxes. If he never had a green card, how did he register with the IRS? If not, how come he doesn't owe back taxes for the 20 years he's been enjoying the benefits of US life.

      Once again, the American left reveals itself to be ideologically driven, the socialist concept of "the greater good" Justitia is denuded, her blindfold now one of embarrassment, the scales abandoned in the name of "progress", a titan shamed.
      One doesn't "register" with the IRS. All they have to do is pay taxes on their income. There is a method for people without a Social Security number to file taxes by applying for a substitute ID but that doesn't mean that they are allowed to work in the country.

      If this guy has been receiving compensation for services (work) and has not been filing taxes he is in violation of the law. If he has been surviving on gifts or something then he probably isn't in violation of any tax law.

      The CBC analysis you cite is a different matter. He can still be cited for parking violations and such but once his citizenship status comes up he should be sent to an immigration court for disposition. That, in many cases, isn't happening. The courts are simply letting folks go unless there is proff of some kind of egregious behavior (drunk driving and killing someone would generally not be egregious behavior in that circumstance but if they were carrying a gun while hunting that likely would be).

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        Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

        In theory Mr Garcia has not been convicted of a crime. Were he stopped, arrested, determined to be illegal, sent through the immigration court system, found to be illegal, and convicted, then he would be a felon and as such, (likely) could no longer practice.

        A lot of moving parts for that to ever happen. Likely it would take him traveling outside of California to find an immigration judge/court willing to do it's job.

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          So let me get this straight gentlemen, it is a crime to be in the United States without a visa but no one will do anything about it as long as I don't get caught killing gay whales with a sub machine gun or having a joint in my pocket.

          And I could have customers in a business who would pay for my services with "gifts" and I would not have to pay taxes?

          That is, is plain English, kind of fucked you know that? As liberal as I am about attracting minorities to our shores and making it reasonably easy for families to unite and get the trades people we need, the door closes on hijackers of the procedure.

          If you want to come to my country we want to have a good look. If you break the law, we want an even closer look. And if you have a propensity for breaking the law, you stay home. And the general consensus here is that those who try to que jump break the law.

          How is what you describe not encouraging more illegal aliens?

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            Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

            Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
            So let me get this straight gentlemen, it is a crime to be in the United States without a visa but no one will do anything about it as long as I don't get caught killing gay whales with a sub machine gun or having a joint in my pocket.

            And I could have customers in a business who would pay for my services with "gifts" and I would not have to pay taxes?

            That is, is plain English, kind of fucked you know that? As liberal as I am about attracting minorities to our shores and making it reasonably easy for families to unite and get the trades people we need, the door closes on hijackers of the procedure.

            If you want to come to my country we want to have a good look. If you break the law, we want an even closer look. And if you have a propensity for breaking the law, you stay home. And the general consensus here is that those who try to que jump break the law.

            How is what you describe not encouraging more illegal aliens?
            It does, and it is.

            What you are drawing attention to is the liberal / progressive ideal system, short of an open border (utter stupidity if you ask me - sovergn nation's don't have open borders, there is always some sort of border control).

            I think that you could also notice that this president, this administration, and this DOJ of his, are all liberal / progressive in their 'selective enforcement' of the laws, as well as downright flaunting the congress when it suits them, with their screwed up ideas on social justice, and / or their political agenda.

            Truly the worst president and the worst administration this nation has ever been forced to experience. Hopefully the lesson will be absorbed by the electorate and won't soon be forgotten.

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            • #7
              Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

              Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
              So let me get this straight gentlemen, it is a crime to be in the United States without a visa but no one will do anything about it as long as I don't get caught killing gay whales with a sub machine gun or having a joint in my pocket.

              And I could have customers in a business who would pay for my services with "gifts" and I would not have to pay taxes?

              That is, is plain English, kind of fucked you know that? As liberal as I am about attracting minorities to our shores and making it reasonably easy for families to unite and get the trades people we need, the door closes on hijackers of the procedure.

              If you want to come to my country we want to have a good look. If you break the law, we want an even closer look. And if you have a propensity for breaking the law, you stay home. And the general consensus here is that those who try to que jump break the law.

              How is what you describe not encouraging more illegal aliens?
              Gay whales is a definite no-no but the joint wouldn't be such a big deal.

              In theory, one can not work and receive a gift as compensation but if you don't work and get gifts that's fine. Furthermore, if you work but use someone else's social security number to get the job that's also generally OK unless you're a US citizen in which case they throw the book at you.

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                Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

                Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                It does, and it is.

                What you are drawing attention to is the liberal / progressive ideal system, short of an open border (utter stupidity if you ask me - sovergn nation's don't have open borders, there is always some sort of border control).

                I think that you could also notice that this president, this administration, and this DOJ of his, are all liberal / progressive in their 'selective enforcement' of the laws, as well as downright flaunting the congress when it suits them, with their screwed up ideas on social justice, and / or their political agenda.

                Truly the worst president and the worst administration this nation has ever been forced to experience. Hopefully the lesson will be absorbed by the electorate and won't soon be forgotten.
                No. That's not liberal. What I outlined to you is "liberal"policy here, a generous and mutually beneficial and well run immigration system with checks and balances. What Obama and holder are doing is not liberal, but political convenience, expediency for political gain.

                And the people buy this.....that's what's astonishing.

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                  Gay whales is a definite no-no but the joint wouldn't be such a big deal.

                  In theory, one can not work and receive a gift as compensation but if you don't work and get gifts that's fine. Furthermore, if you work but use someone else's social security number to get the job that's also generally OK unless you're a US citizen in which case they throw the book at you.

                  Canadians are being advised that if they travel to Washington State, not to buy pot and have it with them on Washington ferries, beaches, federal parks or any federally operated lands or institutions. It's legal in the state but not federally. The advisories tell us that penalties form foreigners can be up to ten years in prison.

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                    Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

                    Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
                    No. That's not liberal. What I outlined to you is "liberal"policy here, a generous and mutually beneficial and well run immigration system with checks and balances. What Obama and holder are doing is not liberal, but political convenience, expediency for political gain.
                    Yup. Never underestimate the gullibility when you tell people what they want to hear.

                    Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
                    And the people buy this.....that's what's astonishing.
                    Really?? That's not how Flipper was always portrayed. (Aww gee, I'm dating myself)

                    I always thought that Orcas would be / were mean. Trainer deaths at SeaWorld and all that, but then again, playing with apex predators out of your element and in theirs rarely is a good idea.

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                      Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

                      Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
                      No. That's not liberal. What I outlined to you is "liberal"policy here, a generous and mutually beneficial and well run immigration system with checks and balances. What Obama and holder are doing is not liberal, but political convenience, expediency for political gain.

                      And the people buy this.....that's what's astonishing.
                      What Obama. Holder. and the court in this case is simply mocking the law they swore they would uphold. Under this administration, law means absolutely nothing but no one will challenge them on it.

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                        Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

                        Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
                        Canadians are being advised that if they travel to Washington State, not to buy pot and have it with them on Washington ferries, beaches, federal parks or any federally operated lands or institutions. It's legal in the state but not federally. The advisories tell us that penalties form foreigners can be up to ten years in prison.
                        You only have to worry if you tell them you are a Republican.

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                          Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

                          Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                          Illegal immigrant granted law license in California - Washington Times

                          Here we go.

                          An attorney licensed in Arizona can't practice in California (without a California license) but an illegal alien can.

                          I have to ask, why do we even bother to have immigration laws if they're going to pull crap like this? Why not just tear down the terminals, get rid of CBP and put up a great big "WELCOME!!" sign at the border?
                          Where we are headed with this issue is not there, but rather leaving this with the courts to figure out.

                          Just look at where we are with this debate now. There is no longer a viable and politically acceptable solution on the table now for legislation to fix this. Sure, we may all sound off in here with tough rhetoric like "round them all up" or "get out" or patrol the border like the North Korea / South Korea DMZ zone. That is not likely to happen now but it will not stop the Republicans on that path. The flip side of the coin is not likely either, just an open border with no checks but plenty of signs pointing right to Democratic Party registration offices. We are getting close but I think it is still missing the point.

                          What we are left with here is politics 101, use the chip away approach by confusing the courts. This decision here puts California and New York at odds with Florida (and others.) This sort of thing happens all the time with examples like the 2nd Amendment debate, the War on Drugs debate, etc. That is what this is, another chip knocked off of our laws in favor of just making things up as we go along since legislation cannot figure this out. The States will be imbalanced as a result.

                          As it stands now. Boil the whole debate down and we are stuck at a choice where political battlegrounds have been formed (sort of.) We either inflate our our efforts to enforce existing immigration law at whatever the fical cost, or we change the law to match the reality of a changed society and labor market. Since we may be talking about well north of 12-13 million people here without documentation it stands to reason we look at our laws. Democrats nor Republicans are serious about that now. So, we get stuck with the shitty third option of leaving it to the courts to figure out as they go along while our legislative function continues to sleep at the wheel. But, sound off like they have a pair at the mic.

                          Seriously, what did any of you expect to have happen when we have such dysfunction over this immigration debate? Everyone wants to be tough about it, no one wants to be realistic. The more we wait, the bigger the mess the courts will make of this.
                          Last edited by Sluggo; 01-04-2014, 06:40 AM.

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                            Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

                            Sluggo, I usually read your posts because you go in depth on how you form your opinion. The post above is no exception, and I thank you for making it obvious how you draw the conclusions you do.

                            Let me state that it makes little difference what you think, what I think, or what OMD thinks. It does make a difference what Americans in total think though. I am not going to tell you because I am a brilliant prognosticator what they think is; but what I will say is that while this is not a democracy, what the vast majority of the people think about this issue of amnesty does matter. It doesn't make a difference if there are 2 million, or 15 million of them, we the people own this country, pay the taxes, and are supposedly the ones who only have the right to vote.

                            Therefore................those in congress who support amnesty of any form, tell us, and we will vote in November if we like the way you see it. If you want to vote for amnesty and not enforcing current laws as we vote you out, then to bad, to sad. If the opposite is true, carry on.

                            But if we vote that as a nation we don't like it, then you HAVE TO DO what is necessary. Is it messy? Yeah, real messy. But who's fault is that really? The people in congress who REFUSED to uphold the laws that they themselves passed, that's who. Don't blame us for getting a ticket for going 70, when you were the duffusess who made the speed zone 55, and went out there and hung the sign to boot, then claimed you really didn't mean it.

                            It is the job of Obama, democrats, and republicans in total to uphold the laws of this country. If their intention is to change the law and we vote them out because of it, then it is the DUTY of those left behind to uphold the laws we voted their peers out for ignoring.

                            I do not care if they do not like it. If it affects them that much, then don't run and allow someone to take your seat who will do what the people vote you in for.

                            I was born here, I have paid taxes for untold years, and I have a vested interest in my/our country. I am sure you do too. We may very well cancel each others vote out on this matter, but regardless of which side wins the day, we can't have our elected officials ignoring our will. If the side wins that says they must/or shall not enforce the laws and they do not do what was decided, then I ask, "why do we even vote!"

                            Just as I do not agree with most anything Obama says, he was elected by constitutional measures. I may rail against his policies as "loyal opposition," but I would NEVER support his illegal removal. The same goes for what the law is. If they want to embrace 2 to 15 million lawbreakers, then the responsibility is upon Washington to tell us that is what they want to do. If they can't, then they know; and everyone else knows, where public opinion is. If they have no gonads, they don't deserve their plushy place in Washington, which is exactly why as long as we keep these type of politicians, we have no chance.
                            Last edited by Imawhosure; 01-22-2014, 02:27 PM.

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                              Re: CAs top court rules illegal alien can join bar

                              An illegal alien is probably violating fewer laws than most lawyers.

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